Laura Kinney - X-23 - Wolverine

Can we have an X-23 thread? Cutest mutant and best girl! Anyone have a good recommended reading list for her? I don't think I'll like her modern stuff, since I liked it when she was shy and slightly autistic.

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Best yuri, not yuri couple.

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Forgot to mention that you can check out her 2010-2012 run, which I thought was pretty good

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What are your thoughts on Laura as Wolverine?
If she ever gave up the title would she go back to being called X-23 her clone assassin name or get a new name like Talon or Superwhore Mcstabby?

Laura should just break up with Warren then pull a Logan and just spend time having sex with half of the Marvel roster or just lots of one night stands with guys she picks up at clubs.

I always liked Talon, and awkward always hated the idea of her being the new Wolverine. She doesn't need to call herself that or take up his mantle imo

Do you think X-23/Laura makes an enjoyable Wolverine? Or does her taking Logan's mantle diminish her individuality?

The latter

Do you like movie Laura?

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Her being changed into a Mexican loli wasn't needed but ultimately didn't negatively impact the movie at all. Just made that car argument scene funnier

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Why in the fuck did you copy/paste this from the archive

I didn't, I have the image saved

>Dem lips. Saved for art practice

I would kill to read a run with those two in that art-style going on a cross country road trip with lesbian shenanigans

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Dicking around stories are top tier plot lines.

alternate timeline where Jubilee and Laura both are forced to work in a brothel run by Mystique where she uses power inhibitor collars on her prostitutes.

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Yes. I like her feet, too.

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Mods no ban, it's an homage.

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Man I can't get behind liberated Laura. She feels like a generic teen-early 20s girl now

FUCK OFF, WINGBAT!

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As far as I'm concerned, this character has been ruined very nearly beyond repair. The only hope for her is a universal reboot that wipes everything after her solo run from existence, or Marvel getting into the black arts and raising based crusty from the grave to write her.

Both at the same time would be preferable.

Whos Wingbat

Some rando who commissions hundreds of thousands of dollars' worth of X-23 porn, and keeps most of it to himself.

He probably commissioned that image in the OP.

A literal batman who I wish would get some exposure.

>He probably commissioned that image in the OP.

you are correct sir, here is source - rule34.paheal.net/post/view/1661997#search=Evulchibi

Haha, oh wow. That really was just a wild guess, I didn't expect to be right.

Would it be incorrect to assume that the majority of existing X-34 is his doing?

a good 150 images he is involved with

I don't know if Id say majority but defintly way to much for one person

Holy shit, that's some dedication.

Shit, with that kind of cash to blow this guy could probably fund a better X-23 comic than the shitty one currently running.

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One of these days Ill be rich enough to find hundreds of images of mai waifu

I don't see why she needed to take up the Wolverine identity. I mean she's better than all the other recent "legacy" characters in that regard because she's got so much better a claim on the mantle, but I'd rather she just have her own identity distinct from her "father".

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She's alright. Looks better in X-Force colors.

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Any good fanfic recs for them?

Could've been an interesting idea if Taylor wasn't a hack faggot.

She was alright, but Laura doesn't lose her shit and yell during fights, she's always silent and precise.

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To be fair, movie Laura was just a kid who escaped before they could finish training and brainwashing her, while X-23 had pieces of shit like Kimura tormenting her round-the-clock until her teens.

>Anyone have a good recommended reading list for her?
Innocence lost -> Target X (-> maybe NYX -> maybe Captain Universe #3 if you want to know everything important) -> New X-Men #20++ -> X-Force 2008 -> X-23 one-shot -> X-23 ongoing -> Venom 13, 13.1 - 13.4, 14 -> Avengers Academy 23-39
Then you can skip Avengers Arena, Bendis All-New X-Men and Soule's The Logan Legacy and Wolverines.
Maybe All-New Wolverine although it's infuriatingly mediocre.

I need to make a new chart that's not as shit as my last one.

>Then you can skip Avengers Arena, Bendis All-New X-Men and Soule's The Logan Legacy and Wolverines.
Oh and I forgot you really need to fucking skip Hopeless' All-New X-Men.

Yeah, she loses everything that made her an interesting character. She becomes so generic.

Her going to scene clubs is fine. I like the idea of her building her own personality.
The problem is that most writers don't really seem to understand that her own personality shouldn't just be generic strong female character. Taylor is especially bad about this and it's even worse with him because we know he read a lot of her old stuff.

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>we'll never have autistic loose cannon Laura again.

> Laura getting sleepcucked by a character who'll NEVER EVER appear again

Why can't those idiots running marvel give me more of this?

That bitch Liu broke them up in her bullshit solo.

>implying editorial didn't mandate they cut her loose from the new floatsam so they could use her elsewhere

Honestly, that makes me sad. Julian and Laura's relationship was a really interesting idea and it could really work, especially in her current book. But Taylor is too much a wuss to make that actually work.

Seriously, if I, by some grace of god, managed to get onto the Wolverine book, I would have so much goddamn fun with Laura's current character. It'd sorta be a meta-commentary about Laura currently.

For one, the whole 'normal speech' thing being for Warren. I'd go a bit beyond that. See, after the New X-Men and Avengers Arena, I would write Laura believes, with good reason, her true personality had to repressed. Instead of being X-23, she put on a mask which she kept on at all times to hide her problems from herself and others.

Warren and the rest of the O5, is essentially her do over of the New X-Men and the Avengers Academy where she tries to emulate Logan, rather than be her own person. As she believes that acting like Logan will give her the love she saw him receive while acting like herself will isolate her.

Her thing with Warren because she feels that it's her who is the issue, rather than him. Even though it defies her natural instincts, she'll keep with him as she is under the impression that Warren will 'fix' her.

As for the trigger scent story, I'd keep the aftermath, but I would show the reason that Frost didn't remove it. That would be the fact that the trigger scent was linked with several key memories, including her mother. Eventually, as those memories faded, so would the original Laura herself.

As she lost herself, Laura would go around and try to regain experiences which she lost. Eventually she'd come across the New X-Men who she barely recognized. Eventually, they'd help her and Laura would be restored to her usual shy self, but accepted by the people who mattered.

Afterwards, the Wolverine solo would be replaced by Wolverine and the X-Men.

>Eventually, as those memories faded, so would the original Laura herself.

That's pretty much her current state though.

It would more be the difference between choosing to hide herself and being unable to find herself.

>shy and slightly autistic.

I liked her the most when she didn't restrain herself.

Same here, X-Force X-23 is best X-23

It's really sad that murdering people torments her so much, I'd love another x-force book with her. Maybe do like a "normal life doesn't work out for Laura, so she goes back to what she excels at" angle.

You know they spent along time with her before any writer said she was bothered by it, my headcanon at the time was that she was fine with it. She did what she had to in that situation and didn't regret it and that was that. I think it was her standalone where she went all emo and it was established that she felt guilty. I think it's unlikely they'd have her just go back to killing, but if the right writer comes along maybe a traumatic event will force her back into the dark place. It's not my ideal solution but it's the best we can hope for at this point.

I preferred her previous characterization when she had that particular speech pattern, then Bendis went and ruined it and everyone else has stuck with it being ruined, though her current book does a decent mix I think.

I think her having the mantle is great too.

>my headcanon at the time was that she was fine with it

I think it was always there that she resented everything about her that's related to the facility, but she's so good at killing that it gives her sense of accomplishment she's really ashamed of.

I never really saw that myself. I saw her hatred for the facility and that it made her kill, but nothing against the killing itself. You see her respond with violence as a first resort far to often for that to make much sense.
And as for pride. I always thought it was more about being useful than taking pride in it. She was used to being used making it familiar and maybe even comforting (She even says something similar at one point to explain her becoming a prostitute) and the only thing she could contribute was her killing skill, so she did.

>murdering people torments her so much
It was never murdering itself that tormented her. What tormented her were the memories of being used as a weapon. Of killing without choice. Killing innocents, killing people she knew.
That's what ate her up in her solo. Her solo isn't really about her learning not to kill. It's about her learning how to choose for herself. That's why Gambit was on that ride along with her. And not, say, Storm or Beast.

>maybe a traumatic event will force her back into the dark place. It's not my ideal solution
I've thought about this myself. If you wanted to change her fast and dirty you would have the whole no-killing, honorable Wolverine thing backfire on her. Hard. Have someone get killed.
Of course this is the sledgehammer approach. It would utterly destroy parts of what is happening right now with no subtlety about it. Also the aftermath would be quite delicate to write. If you go too far, you end up setting her back all the way to the start - something that's already become a meme. If you don't go far enough she'll just recover within an arc or two and snap back to being Carol Danvers with claws.

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Exactly, but the alternative is a slow multi year degradation of her moral fabric that, while entertaining as a journey, is less important then the destination of her being a badass again so in the end either could be acceptable if they had the right writer, or be horrible if they screwed it up.

>It was never murdering itself that tormented her

Nah, wolverine said from the start that getting her into x-force is a death sentence to her humanity, and even though he gave in eventually, he was right, since she came out even worse than before in the end, hence that journey with Gambit.

>a slow multi year degradation of her moral fabric
Well, multi-year runs aren't much of a thing anymore these days at Marvel. Though I guess Taylor is having one with her right now? Such a shame he's going in the opposite direction.

X-Force fucked her up because she was emotionally completely unstable. She hadn't properly delt with her past at that point so she didn't know why she felt the way she did about anything she encountered. She was in complete emotional turmoil despite the fact that she felt right back at home in this entire situation. That was only exaccerbated by the fact that the environment of X-Force had everyone being super uptight, barely speaking and everyone going through their own shit and then some.
That sort of isolation was just the worst thing imaginable in her situation right then.
If I have to blame someone, it's Wolverine's fault for literally not taking a single moment during X-Force to try and lend her emotional support. Worse even, the only thing he told her was that he her didn't matter at all and the only people mattering were people like Rahne who were still innocent. That almost led to her suiciding for the mission later.

None of this was indicative of anything other than the fact that she hadn't found herself at that point at all.

>he told her was that he her didn't matter at all

Well, she kinda triggered him.


>That almost led to her suiciding for the mission later.

You mean when she let Rahne slaughter her instead of fighting? Fantastic character moment right there.

.You mean when she let Rahne slaughter her instead of fighting? Fantastic character moment right there.

Maybe, I thought he meant the legacy virus thing with the molten metal

Oh yeah, that was great too.

>Fuck off, Josh, just let me jump.
>Nah-ah, I'll talk you out of it, then let you slip so you'll burn your skin off.

you can gauge the level of character change over the years by comparing the number of times she was dismembered, blown up, set on fire, gutted, and otherwise horribly mutilated that she used to go through on a daily bases versus her barely getting bloodied nowadays.

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wheres that bottom left one from?

She was my girl in MvC3.

Her solo. It's when she volunteered to babysit Richards kids.

What's with the one with Spidey and dead Sue?

Ah yes. I thought it looked like that art style but couldn't remember the scene. (didn't help that I never re-read that little story arc)

I think it's the Solo series when she teams up with the F4. I think this is like a vision or something.

It's from her solo book a few years ago, Uni-power arc where Spider-man, Sue, and Laura are tugged around because they all were hosts for it at one point.

Ah okay. I assumed it was Secret Wars or something. Thanks.

Huh. Not familiar with Uni-power at all.

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Sometimes girls are just friends, /u/.

Do you have an OC that needs an new color palette?
Do you want to see [your favorite character] in blue in white?
Want to wonder why the hell this doesn't happen more often?
Look no further than the Uni-power, a sentient force able to bond with absolutely anyone and bestow upon them a great power! Laura got it that one time

iirc, the 2010 run that these two were in had them in near-/u/ territory

>those quads

quadruple amputate scene in the near future.