How would you reinvent this turd? Everyone knows that the "his own superhero" thing is fucking bullshit...

How would you reinvent this turd? Everyone knows that the "his own superhero" thing is fucking bullshit. "Robin grew up" and wears a wetsuit now, its nothing more than that. He has no good villains, he has no meaningful character arcs or good stories for that matter. Bludhaven is a meme that was practically invented for Nightwing to be even slightly relevant

How do you make him good? What kind of a suit should he wear? What kind of a character should he be? Come up with two good villains for him and an interesting story arc. Nightwing as it stands is a c-lister team player which is a joke seeing as Robin (dick grayson in particular) is an A if not S lister

I'd have kept Grayson going

This. Most interesting Dick's ever been.

This plus maybe make his character flaws sliiiiiiightly more prominent. We know he's really judgemental and open to the people he's closest to, like Bruce and Shawn.

This but this time Gryason works for CIA

>Nightwing as it stands is a c-lister team player
He consistently outsells "Captain America" and "Iron Man". Is that a C-Lister?

He should get raped more, at least once a week

Yes, considering Marvel current state.

>How would you reinvent this turd? Everyone knows that the "his own superhero" thing is fucking bullshit and wears a wetsuit now, its nothing more than that. He has no good villains, he has no meaningful character arcs or good stories for that matter.

Cass Cain as Nightwing

Dick as Batman

>Bludhaven is a meme that was practically invented for Nightwing to be even slightly relevant

Even DC acknowledged this by nuking Bludhaven in Infinite Crisis.

That is a really sad bait thread.

>bait
I like Dick in a supporting role but Priest was right

Priest threw a tantrum when Peter and MJ got married because "NOT MUH!". He is wrong in plenty of things.

Also, some favorite Sup Forums characters are in a much worse situation than Dick Grayson, like . Why does Dick have to be reinvented while worse characters stay the same shit?

Nightwing should have its own Arkham style game, hell, the Batfamily would easily held its own game.

Fuck you, Bane!

I would like that, specially if it was full of fan service of that juicy, tight ass

It's ok to just shut the fuck up when you don't know what you're talking about.

So, to support OP's point, we have also to consider that Captain America and Iron Man are D-Listers currently?

Why so triggered, user? And try to actually follow your own advice.

Who said that they are D-listers? Marvel in seriously bad place right now that most of the characters are doing worse than they should have due to how bad their books are.

This, it was the most interesting thing they've done with Dick in decades

"Other characters are still worse" is hardly a defense of Nightwing

>Who said that they are D-listers?
They sure as hell aren't A-listers if they can't sell better than a C-lister. Why do we have to fix Nightwing instead of fixing actual D-listers like Namor?

Because unlike clowns like Namor, Nightwing has all the potential in the world to be good. Its also not too late to fix him because the idea of Nightwing has barely scratched the surface of the public conscious, just like how batman has evolved over time

You do know there was a time when Batman sold less than Green Arrow, but no one claimed that Ollie is bigger than Bruce.

Why focused on Nightwing? I don't know, maybe because OP doesn't care about the characters you mentioned like Namor?

>He has no good villains
see New Teen Titans
>he has no meaningful character arcs or good stories
see New Teen Titans

It's like complaining that Storm doesn't have any villains or stories.

Let's say Earth 0 is at 4th & goal having another "Flashpoint". I would reset Dick completely. Back to pic related. He was a bad ass when he was a kid.

>super spy "I guess it's time for a song" grayson
>good
I don't see anything wrong with current him.

So he's just outselling other C-listers?

Namor at least has Milligan's Marvel Knights mini. Nightwing has nothing good.

Someone didn't read Grayson or Dickbats or current Nightwing. Hes been at least B list for awhile.

fpbp

The setting was great, supporting cast was good and it gave Dick something to do without having to rely on the Batfamily. Plus there's a lack of spy comics in general.

What is his day job in Rebirth? He has gone through thousands of day jobs. He needs a fixed career. Out of his past jobs, I think a pd or circus owner have enough potential. A pd with a Noir backtone and Detective stories, Nightwing is a vigilante outlawed by the police. It would nicely contrast Batman since Batman is fighting Kaijus and giant robots now. Otherwise, make him an owner of a traveling circus. Gives him a nice supporting cast and different locations and genres to waddle through. Give him a retarded hobby too.

Just kill Bruce for real and let Dickbats to stick. Of course that won't happen because muh nostalgia and Batman singlehandely carrying the entire DC brand.

Make him a Trump supporter and anti-Zionist

>one issue meant to be Tom King's swan song to an inventive run starring his favourite cape character
>suddenly the whole run is bad

This.

He was a social worker who taught kids and helped lead a support group for ex-villains, but that was before he gave that up and started working as a card dealer at Blockbuster's Marcus Casino. His hobby is reading Robin Hood books and comics.

This is what they should have done, but so many of his dumb fans just want "muh Bludhaven" back and now we are stuck with it in Rebirth.

There is a huge different in the quality of stories with the Bludhaven and non-Bludhaven arcs. Dick's character just works so much better when he is on the move and can be a superhero full time and Spyral let him do that.

If you like the current run, you just have objectively shit taste.

How long a series based entirely on character-worship really last? It ran its course, let it go.

DC is like 20 years to late in pushing Nightwing. He is firmly B-List now and it doesn't matter if he outsells characters DC views as A-List he will always be B-List. He's just a knockoff Batman or Daredevil at this point that DC uses to test writers before putting them on books they view as more important.

Please no. The circus owner thing was just awful. So bad they had to burn the circus to the ground to get him out of it.

Honestly, just keep the "super secret agent spy that deals with super humans and super science " thing.

But keeps the Nightwing name and costume because I find them cool.

Johns Green Lantern run ran for like a decade. So it could have lasted a while.

Keep him in Bludhaven but actually focus on giving him a good original rogues' gallery.

>original rogues' gallery
I'd rather see him go up against legitimate villains. Who cares whose rogue they are. Original rogues are just so fucking dull.

Nah, screw Grayson for making Spyral into a nothing but a bunch of 20-something models in a constant state of flux trying to play with the big kids. The book was way too reliant on wanking out a flawless protagonist. I mean, you take out the Dick fanservice, and you're left with very little.

Well probably because they aren't allowed to use all the Batman INC influences anymore, but you sound like someone that never read it.

Why do Jasonfags has the Grayson run so much?

Because I criticized it? Get a grip.

No because you thought it was just fanservice.

Because you sound like a tumblrite.

There was plenty going on in Grayson and if you didn't see that, then you are either an idiot or didn't read the book. The quality of the book is up to wag of us to decide, but to say there's nothing worthwhile in the book is just wrong.

they have brains

*Each, not wag, kek.

Anyways, Dick is a lot like characters like Deadpool, who are B-list characters who are promoted as A-list ones because they're fan favourites, the difference is that Dick goes through long phases where that isn't true. Currently, Dick has a halfway decent, but still fun, twice monthly book, his own Elseworlds-style mini-series starting, a seemingly major role in the new Young Justice season, the live-action Titans show incoming, and a Nightwing movie in planning. And that's on top of his various and random appearances in all the animated DTVs like Batman and Harley Quinn and shows like Teen Titans Go! (it helps that the original Teen Titans is on the air again in HD now, too). He needs a bit more of a push in-universe (bumped up to the JL or JLA books) and he'd be getting almost as much exposure as Batman or Superman.

>seemingly major role in the new Young Justice season
He does? He wasn't in the line up. Where was this mentioned?

So deep.

Current speculation is that he's the leader of the titular Outsiders.

Literally just read this Fan art of that design

Hivemind. Funny how awful pages bring people together.

They think Lobdell is good, so that isn't true.

I dropped at the issue when he sees Amniesiac Bruce. It had a Bendis level of pointelss dialogue and whole pages of bubbles.

This

It's absurd that his best shit is when he isn't even Nightwing

>Grayson
>Morrison's B&R
>Black Mirror
>New Teen Titans prior to Perez leaving