Why does Marvel "Comics" hate their "Movie" characters so much? Cap is a Nazi, Black Widow is dead, Tony Stark is in a coma and replaced by his AI, Bruce Banner is dead, Thor's lost his powers.
People always say Marvel is deliberately sabotaging F4 and X-Men due to movie rights, but that doesn't explain why they're killing all their existing movie characters.
>Sup Forums complains when the comics are exactly like the like
>Sup Forums complains when the comics are different from the movies
Jesus.
Bendis and some other comic writers were kicked off the MCU creative committee shortly after the first Guardians movie. They're probably still salty about it, hence the Netflix universe wankery.
Wow it's almost as if the comics like to experiment instead of regurgitating made-by-committee garbage like the MCU
>the comics like to experiment instead of regurgitating made-by-committee garbage
They had to get the problematic white males out of the way so they could fill the roster with nonbinary obese muslim latinx moosekin
Try reading a genre of comics that aren't superheroes. You might find some great stories and expand the industry here in the states.
Europe, Great Britain, and Japan all have comic industries that aren't dependent on capeshit.
Because they are delusional enough to think that people are seeing the movies because of the comic book characters, when it is actually the opposite. And even then, the comic books are marred with shitty ass writing. MCU is doing fantastic and so is the Marvel Netflixverse (excluding Iron Flop), so they are probably envious of its success.
Marvel comics literally have private getaway meetings to decide how their books will develop. By committee.
Perlmutter is really bitter that he and his toadies (including Bendis and Quesada) was booted from having any control and authority over the MCU, so basically its Marvel just shooting itself in the foot by sabotaging its franchises.
Defenders will flop too.
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Discussing the direction of the company is not the same as focus testing every aspect of a movie to appeal to as many people as possible.
Because all the actor's contracts are almost up so they're going to have to replace them with all the shitty new characters played by new actors.
You only proved my point with this image. A committee would have deemed this too offensive for mass audiences. Only in the comics is something like this allowed.
>Defenders will flop
>implying
I doubt it. With the exception of Iron Fist, all the shows leading up to Defenders were pretty decent and could be compared in quality to the pre-Avengers movies during Phase 1 of the MCU.
Defenders can't flop since it's not in theaters. No one will unsubscribe to Netflix because of it.
>complaining when comics kill off characters, depower them, have them switch allegiances, etc.
>this means they hate the characters
Jesus Christ, OP, have you ever read comics before? This is status quo.
>Current marvel
>This being too offensive
Marvel has pushing shit like this hard as it fucking can for a while now, it's nothing new, that panel is borderline autism
Hows life in 2008 m8?
The only ones with expiring contracts post IW are Chris Evans and RDJ. Not sure about who is supposed to be standing in for RDJ once he leaves the MCU, but you have both Cumberbatch as Dr.Strange and Holland as Spidey and they are pretty big at the moment. And we have known since First Avenger that Sebastian Stan would be the one taking the mantle of Captain America after Chris Evans leaves.
>Jessica Jones
>compared to any Phase of MCU
Oof, user.
These changes have never been determined by social politics until now though.
Are we going to forget Conservatards going apeshit over the two women in the Dory trailer and the possibly gay dude in Beauty and the Beast?
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Phase 1 wasn't even that good. Iron Man 2 and Thor were pretty mediocre.
Iron Fist was one of the most watched shows, the bad reviews and controversy just made more people curious to check it out.
So basically what you're saying is "It was OK in Iron Man when Tony Stark got replaced by a black man in 1986, because that was different, but when Tony Stark got replaced by a black woman in 2016, that was because of all the uppity nigger lov... I mean SJWs and it's social politics and now it's bad."
OK, user.
>Sup Forums is one person
Do you live in 2006 or something? Marvel is all about the expansion of political ideas that they like. Kinda like a committe e decides what should be published and how.
It is also one of the reasons why their books are so fucking terrible this days.
No. It was bad because it was done by Bendis and Riri demanded to be treated as a nigger by good folks just to have something to fight agaisnt and be motivated as if black people only can achieve anything by being whipped by the evil whites.
It is highly political.
why are you even in this thread?
are you saying those movies were not "made-by-committee garbage"? otherwise it's hard to see how this supports your point, because those are both safe as fuck disney shit and they saw fit to include that stuff, so it can't be all that risky and "experimental".
This. Marvel is fucking cancer. Go for other genres and publishers. Most of the books outside capeshit are really good.
Of course they are. But they are actual competent committees.
I agree, the movies have an actual competent committee compared to the comics.
iconic old school characters fans are such fucking crybabies
your faves have it better than most of the other characters, stop being such a pussy
>competent comittee
Elaborate.
"I'm literally intrigued and in awe of both of them" might be the worst line ever written in a comic.
Someone gets it.
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Can we discuss this hedgehog instead?
Cap is not a Nnazi. Hydra is not a nazi organization.
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>Says this while Ant Man and Doctor Strange exist
One theory I heard about Nazi Cap is that it was done as a response to Fiege cutting out Marvel Comics from Marvel Studios. Basically, Marvel Comics wanted to prove that their actions can have an effect on the movies, even though Captain America 3 made over a billion in the box office
I'm not sure if I think it's funny or pathetic that you'd strawman someone that fucking hard.
Have you read Iron Man with Riri? Literally none of that happens.
>People always say Marvel is deliberately sabotaging F4 and X-Men due to movie rights, but that doesn't explain why they're killing all their existing movie characters.
Because demographics are changing from white basement dwelling nerd who likes women with amazonian bodies to millenials who like the status quo shattered because it makes everyone else mad. And they're the ones who will still be reading the comics after the white dudes stop doing so
Not him but it did, dude.
The MCU has more sense and taste than to treat its characters like shit like the cmics
Have YOU read Iron Man with Riri? Her entire backstory is formed around playing the oppressed card even though everyone had the best intentions for her at the time
Post one page that proves this.
Except they aren't reading or buying the comics that are actively pandering to them because they don't actually care about them, they just want to complain
you havent read those have you
I'm not that user, but it actually did happen.
And yet their complaining will change comics so much that they will be the only target audience left regardless.
Riri displays the early symptoms of being a sociopath. No wonder that diversity and comics guy made up a story about her ruining Tony Stark
Man, Bendis really can't stop thinking of Tomy's facial hair
This is just a kid larping so she can try to be more like her heroes. She thought if someone told her she couldn't do it, she would be motivated to achieve and her life would become like one of those training montages or something. Stop taking comics so seriously.
Exactly what about this scene shows her to be exhibiting early sociopathic behavior?
At the end of the day this isn't even about pandering to SJWs for marketing reasons, Bendis simply is that much of a clueless fuck that feels related to the black man's struggles just because he has black relatives
His use of blacks like Luke Cage or creation of OCs like Miles and Riri are the long-running equivalent of reuniting all the important jews in the MU to celebrate Hanukkah together just because he's Jewish himself. Like i understand the sentiment but the man's an idiot
Her need to manipulate people into acting how she wants them to at any given moment and how she stares at the teacher like she's preparing to curb stomp her.
Sounds like you're afraid of little girls to me. Nothing about any of those panels displays Riri as aggressive or threatening. She's just a talkative kid who overthinks everything. Kind of like you, but less boring.
oh hi Bendis. Didn't recognise you for a second there
It's not about being different, retard, it's about them being bad.
I just want steady, interesting series with good art(1) and writing(2).
not an argument.
>bla bla bla I'm wrong
>stop taking comics so seriously
*stomps away and shoves head firmly up own ass*
Stop pretneding the whole board is one person, dickwhistle.
Really, start arguing whenever you're ready. I'll wait.
She literally goes >muh racism >muh sexism in that scene. She can't accomplish shit without identity politics motivating her every action. You know, kinda like yourself.
The weakest of bate, m8
I don't identify as anything. I don't identify as right or left, and I don't even identify as white. You can't even quote one of my posts where I bring identity politics into this debate.
You sound like a faggot.
>Really, start arguing whenever you're ready. I'll wait.
What do you weigh irl? You post like a fatass.
100% not an argument.
I sound like a rational adult.
>I don't identify as anything
This is not a prerequisite for believing in identity politics.
I concur.
I'm 6 feet tall and I weight about 230. I carry a bit of a gut, but that's about it. I'm 40.
Did you know there are biological difference between races which prove that whites are superior?
if whites are superior why is Michael jordan the best basketball player?
OK how's this: I don't subscribe to identity politics.
I didn't even bring it up.
Niggers are physically superior. Especially African Americans as they were bred to be slaves. The average IQ in Africa is 70, ie. retard level. African American IQ average is 85.
It technically isn't the same ideology as national socialism, but its was originated from it and the distinction is irrelevant.
I'm this guy: And to answer your question, yes. Science is not identity politics.
then how are whites superior if they aren't physically superior?
In the movies, sure. In the comics Hydra is more like Cobra. Even if they were aligned with the nazis waaaaaaaaay back in the original comics, they have changed quite a bit since then. They're a totalitarian authoritarian group, but in the comics they don't really come off as nazis. They have far too many leaders and factions with different outlooks and ideas.
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Civilization.
>whites split the atom
ok
Invented independently in mesopotamia, china and the indus valley
The Asians are intellectually superior. Whites are a perfect balance.
>morality
>intelligence
>physicality (most desirable race)
>culture
Probably biased but it seems to me the white race is just based.
Asian philosophy is a marvel and should be taken more seriously by white scholars.
I feel like this thread got off topic.
Even Christianity, I have to say, as an atheist, hold a lot of great moral principles for the cattle to follow. As an atheist, I still choose to be moral for survival and personal reasons but I can see how the masses would need some kind of reward system in place.
Judaism is also a great religion, although I'll steer away from that topic as best I can, altogether.
Captain America iz cool.
I really hope they'll hire better artists and stop with the decompression. Then I would actual bother reading this dimestore-level fiction.
>Says this while the Civil War II comic exists
This is how we know you're some memer ween from Sup Forums that never read comics
African immigrants and their kids have aome of the highest education levels among any demographic in the US.
Hell, my high school's valedictorian was african. One of my friends who's a first generation African immigrant is going to medical school after graduating magna cum laude.
Now, when you say African are we talking North African?
Remember Peter, 12% of the population commit 50% of the crimes.