*ruins entire season*

*ruins entire season*

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The issue is she had zero character beyond "move the plot along and explain things." It would've been more interesting if she stayed a villain that kept hunting Jack.

Isn't it funny how only females are demanded to have complex characters? Jack was as bland as a popsicle stick with zero development from season 1 to 4 and no one said anything.

At least she wasn't the main character like another show ruining woman I could mention

What the fuck are you talking about? Most female characters aren't allowed to have flaws to avoid the feminist backlash, and so have little to no character. It's classic Galbrush theory user

>I have aku's powers!

That wasn't her fault. It was the shoehorning of a plot to finalize what was never a plot heavy series - there was no way anything they did was going to be satisfying, because there was never any setup beforehand for an ending. The best thing they could have done was have an assortment of standalone episodes, then a 2-part finale. any plot was going to be a letdown, especially after the hype cycle.
Jack has no character beyond asian warrior stereotypes, not sure what you're trying to say. He's as bland as she is.

Korra was the chosen one. I jacked off to her countless times.
Thanks to fucking Bryke I can't stand to even look at her now.

Who ruined what season? I don't see anything.

Porn is the only thing she can seem to do right.

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>Without Aku I would have never existed!

Yeah, maybe if you've never been in love before
10/10 season, only Jerries will disagree.

You're an idiot.
>Quiet
>Respectful but stern when necessary
>Glaringly out of his element when it comes to technology
>Forgiving and honest
>Treats all creatures as if their lives matter
>Incredible willpower, even when he starts to give up
>Has a flaw of being too good hearted and trusting, even missing chances at a portal for it

Jack has a very definitive personality.

>Stops existing after Aku is killed in the past even though Aku would've been dead a thousand years before she was even born if he was killed in the past preventing her from being able to send Jack back to the past in the first place
That time travel plot made no sense at all.

You just can't let it go, can you?

>Jerries
OUT

Jack and Ashi had one of the worst love stories ever written.

So stereotypical eastern Mary Sue. Never developing outside season 5. And how is Ashi any less complex than that?

Remember how fucking good the first three episodes were? Then Genndy let his dick write the rest and destroyed everything

At least she was hot I guess.

That she existed in Season 5 beside a more complex Jack. If she was a one-off or mildly recurring character in seasons 1-4 nobody would have minded, but with the different structure of S5 she interfered.

>first three episodes
I've heard that a hundred times. But really, the first episode wasn't that good and Sup Forums was pretty meh about it. The next two were great though.

OP what the fuck are you doing posting a white image?

>Woman falls in love with man after he kills 6 of her sisters.

It's original at the very least.

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ashi ruined season 5 and samurai jack

Thanks love

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>T A L K I N G P E N I S

Her character development was as extensive as Jacks.
It was subject to the rushjob the entire season was, but it was there.

The reasoning that she ruined the show because she lacked character is invalid. She was a complex character, going from a mission-driven cold assassin to being reborn as a person and having to relearn the world. Whenever guys dislike a female character they always go to "poor/lack of character" because they have no real reason besides their own personal biases.

Sorry people don't like your paper thin waifu

People just see her as an avatar of all the issues this season had, so they attribute any and all blame to her because, as the only meaningful newcomer, she was the only target available.

>She was complex
maybe when they first introduced her but nothing was complex about being "born beautiful yesterday"
she was there to show her tits and be a cool action girl

Ashi exacerbated the problem, but the real underlying issue was that 10 episodes was not long enough to tell the entire story at anything but a breakneck pace, and Genndy wanted to give certain elements enough time to breathe meaning other elements had to be cut to the bone.

>people don't like Ashi
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She wasn't "born beautiful yesterday". She wasn't naive or inexperienced at life at all and was simply misguided at the beginning.
In fact a criticism I have is that she seemed TOO knowledgeable on certain worldly aspects.
She shouldn't have the knowledge of relationships to kiss Jack or ask him if he has a girl back home waiting for him.

I don't disagree, but I'm saying people are wrong to blame Ashis inclusion for all the problems when it's genndys fault for poor pacing and abysmal narrative choices for the finale

>fucking strawpoll
Damn user, you sure got me there

The first episode had based Scaramouche and some amazing action, I don't give a shit what Sup Forums thought of it and neither should you

>strawpoll
wow really got me there this totally wasnt rigged

>people don't like her
>show proof that a majority of a sample liked her
>"that means nothing"
For context that poll was thrown around Sup Forums nonstop for a few weeks and kept a consistent rate of increase for each side.

Of course, I totally believe you

Pfft, later, Dweeby Chimp

yea and strawpoll is easy to rig

>JACK HAS NO PERSONALITY HURRR
>yes he does you fucking spastic moron
>WELL I DONT LIKE IT SO IT DOESNT COUNT DURRRR
Off yourself

Pic not related?

Episodes 5 and 6 could have been somewhat combined.

>Aku responsible due to her being conceived by Aku's essence.
>She allows Jack to get back to the past.
>But then she doesn't exist.
>So then Jack would not have been able to get back to the past because she wouldn't exist.
>Since Jack is still there as opposed to him also being erased, it means she was merely pulled back to her time line as the timelines split with Aku's death in Jack's current time.

She is alive, and Jack needs to go fucking get her.

>uses her last breath to explain something completely obvious to the audience
>never once do we hear her tell Jack she loves him
I really don't know how Genndy let that slip.

Korra getting fucked stupid is pretty great I must admit

This, and the fact that he went out of his way to protect her after slaughtering her sisters are what floor me

He cared more about shoehorning a tragedy then anything else.

WITHOUT AKU, THE TIMELINE I WAS BORN IN WILL FADE FROM EXISTENCE DUE TO YOU DEFEATING AKU IN THE PAST AND THEREFOR THE FIVE SEASONS OF YOU DOING SHIT FOR RANDOM PEOPLE MAKING COUNTLESS SELFLESS SACRIFICES FOR THE GREAT GOOD WILL MEAN NOTHING BECAUSE ALL THESE BEINGS EITHER NEVER EXISTED OR WERE NEVER BROUGHT TO EARTH ALSO BUURRP RAMA ODIN AND RA AREN'T REAL MORTY YOU PARENTS ARE JUST EMPERORS OF A SMALL VILLAGE

If this were Rick and morty ashi could have just sucked Jack's dick to prevent her disappearance

What's wrong with Korra? Bringing up her sexuality will trivialize your response.

She's an unrepentant cunt whom the universe bends over backward to justify.

Im mostly upset about the final season because it spent the entire time setting up a relationship that gets thrown out last minute for the sake of plot convenience. Moreover, erasing everything that came before it, every friend hes met and good deed done, while planting him back at square one just rubbed me the wrong way

>the real underlying issue was that 10 episodes was not long enough to tell the entire story
Which wouldn't have been a problem if not for Ashi being given so much focus.

>What's wrong with Korra?
Opening the floodgates for countless immortal, magical, virtually indestructable beings hostile towards humans into the physical world (something that was desired by the embodiment of evil), for starters.

Would it have been better if it was a paradox?
It makes no sense that Jack didn't age 50 years forward due to aku's magic being stopped. Or reset the timeline due to aku's magic never affecting him in the first place.
The fact that ashi didn't disappear immediately makes it even weirder, time corrects itself but only prevents the future from happening, but why is jack still himself?

I think people are more analdevastated by the ending rather than the story in general.

People don't have an issue with Jojo and Jojo is full of that shit

I'm a socially liberal guy but this is what people mean when they say Sup Forumsmblr, shut the fuck up

Jack as a protagonist is a straight man, the supporting cast around him is what the show depends on for character.

But hey she got to munch carpet so all's well that ends well

Context? I didn't actually finish korra, I just heard people were pissed about the lesbian reveal

She constantly screws up yet never learns a damn thing as plot hole after plot hole covers her ass and then everyone turns around and gushes about how awesome she is for ruining everything

>Could have become a daughter figure to Jack, who was like 50 years older than her
>could have had a much better dynamic
>NOPE LOL LET'S MAKE 'EM FUCK

First ep wasn't as good as next 2 but is still good.
>Jack saving doggo wiafus
>showing how he has PTSD and blames himself for failing to slay Aku/get back
>is so jaded that he's not helping villages that are being attacked anymore
>Scaramouche exists and is really fun
>pretty cool fight

It was solid. I really don't think they had to bring Scaramouche back after it, he did nothing funny or interesting besides making a penis joke.

This. It was weird how they were portayd as "brainwashed/innocent" little girls who just left home and 1 week after that she bangs jack, the old samurai with PTSD.

>I really don't think they had to bring Scaramouche back after it
They needed a reason for Aku to show up. At that point it was clear he was fucking done with Jack, it'd would've been too convenient for Aku to have a contrived reason to see Jack again right after him and Ashi got together.

His scenes definitely dragged a bit, but that's why they tried to make him as charismatic as possible.

so just regular fucked?

>She wasn't naive or inexperienced at life at all
She didn't know what deer were, and she didn't understand their affectionate gesture of rubbing noses together.

>She shouldn't have the knowledge of [...]
A lot of important character development apparently took place off-screen. We don't know when exactly did Jack learn Ashi's name, or when did Ashi learn that Jack's from the past, but they still did learn those things.
I wish the show hadn't skipped important character moments like that. But since they did, presumably Ashi learned a lot more off-screen, and that's supposed to explain why she appears less naive towards the end of the season.

>episode three
im going to kil youkill you kill you kill you kill you kill you kll you kill you
>episode five
submisive waifu

why is this allowed?

>trivialize your response
thats all her character is now and Brykr doesnt let you forget, also she was terribly written it shocks me people still defend her

You hold to that even though it didn't happen.

>Jack will forget she ever existed

Ashi was the best girl and helped to make the season

there's no such thing as original character traits, everything has been done before and it's how those traits are applied that makes the character distinct. Jack had 5 seasons to grow while Ashi had 10 episodes

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Nah, pacing killed the fifth season. Trying to cram so much in 10 episodes is impossible and something had to give. Ashi's just a scapgoat for a complete hackjob of a conclusion

wtf is going on here?

B-but jack is the main character!

Where can I find more of these episodic reaction guy things? I lose my shit at them every time

>zero development
HEY, REMEMBER THAT TIME JACK FOUND THE RUINS OF HIS OLD HOME AND STARTED REMINISCING ABOUT THE PAST, REFLECTING ON HOW MUCH HE MISSED HIS HOME AND HOW OUT OF PLACE HE ACTUALLY FELT?

REMEMBER THE TIME HE GOT INFECTED WITH AKU SICKNESS AND NEARLY SUCCUMBED TO IT, ADMITTING TO HIS FATHER AND MOTHER THAT HE FELT TRULY GUILTY FOR FAILING THEM?

REMEMBER THE TIME AKU MANAGED TO TRICK HIM WITH GREEN PUSSY TO DESTROY A TIME TRAVEL GEM, AND THEN WHEN HE TRIED AGAIN JACK WAS READY BECAUSE OVER THE COURSE OF THE SERIES JACK HAS SLOWLY BEEN GETTING MORE SAVVY TO AKU'S SHIT?

REMEMBER HOW JACK AND AKU FINALLY DECIDED TO DUKE IT OUT IN A DUEL, AND JACK MANAGES TO MAKE AKU LOSE HIS SHIT BY PLAYING HEAD GAMES WITH AKU?

REMEMBER THE TIME JACK FIGHTS A COUPLE OF MONKS FOR A LITTLE BIT, ONLY TO REALIZE THEY WERE TRAINED IN THE SAME STYLE AND PROCEEDS TO GEEK OUT ABOUT IT?

REMEMBER THE TIME YOU'RE A FAGGOT WHO HAS NEVER FUCKING WATCHED THE ORIGINAL RUN OF THE SHOW AND YET YOU THINK YOU'RE AN EXPERT ON THE SUBJECT?

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Let's talk about what really ruined Samurai Jack. April 1.

>first 4 episodes is literally 10/10
>last ones is just some fanfic-tier trash
How is this even possible?

Look, I'll just say it. The problem is girlfriend characters. Especially in cartoons. I don't think they work in any medium besides a sitcom. She was shitty because she was introduced to become jacks wife.

I still love Samurai Jack, and I've gotten over the terrible finale, but what bothers me most is that every thread about it from now on will be the same shitty arguments and points being made.

Thanks for ruining your show, Genndy.

I'm annoyed this is the only place I can discuss it freely. My friends ate up the finale, and when I mentioned that I didn't care for it they just immediately assumed I was being a contrarian dick for no reason.

I mean, I get it was a mix of justified and unjustified backlash but I feel like my complaints about the pacing and overall character development (or lack thereof) is in some way justified, I'm not just saying "I HATE SAMURAI JACK BECAUSE IT'S POPULAR".

I've been in the fence about it for so long, not sure whether I completely loved or hated the finale. What it ends up being for me is ehh, because for all the things the finale does right, it's cancelled out by something shitty, so the whole things ends up feeling like a disappointment.

>not being eloquent and charismatic enough to convince your friends that last season of Jack has shitty pacing and Ashi was literally cancer of entire story.
wew son

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