Also, did USA win in Iraq?

Also, did USA win in Iraq?

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The US and her allies fucking dominated in Vietnam, they just didn't achieve their military goals. You plebs got fucking steam rolled in like 6 weeks with barely any real resistance.

I don't know if you can even call iraq and vietnam wars, they're more like geopolitical trolling.

they won the war but lost the occupation

Wasn't there also a war involving Vietnam that France lost?

Yes. Dien Bien Phu.

Just some context-
>French military gets steamrolled in a matter of minutes and gets occupied
>Vietcong get steamrolled by US military all throughout the war and during Tet but hippie protestors force withdrawal

Yes we lose, but America said ''let me show you'' and got ass kicked. lmao

the US did not lose one battle
They lost against the press

SAME THREAD AS YESTERDAY. FUCK OFF. FRENCH FLAG SHOULD BE WHITE.

yea remember when viatnamese farmers occupied the U.S and cucked their women

Stop trolling, the french army resisted well (even if we were losing) before the brits fled to their islands, we had to deal with two invasions at the same time and even with that we inflicted huge casualties to the german army, it was the bloodiest campaign for the german army until they start to losing in russia

On the other hand, you didn't managed while having million of soldiers and air supremacy to destroy the viets, the ho chi minh path and you didn't even think about invading nothern vietnam, your stupid way to deal with the guerilla made every viet picking the commie side and you managed to destabilize every monarchy nearby which became communists soon after
It's not just because of hippies, it's because you did all wrong

>French military gets steamrolled in a matter of minutes and gets occupied
A month and a half actually, during which they lost more soldiers than the Americans in WW2, managed to evacuate the BEF and came damn near close to launching an invasion of Italy.

What it took to break the French spirit was the occupation of Paris. What it took to break the American 'spirit' was a few bodybags.

cuck cuck cuck

Watch out mate, I shouldn't tell you that because you are a moron but your mom is probably cheating your father with an abo or an emu

>tfw Dien Bien Phu.

>MUH EVIL HIPPIES

Said who's only military victory is '''''war agains the emus'''''

The French didn't really give a shit, and it's not like they had it that bad under nazi occupation

This ! Even if they beat us we killed thousands of germans and destroyed 1290 planes and 1 158 tanks which is freaking huge losses

Those americans falling to the surrender monkey meme are just as stupid as those falling into the anti-trump propaganda, it was made by the same medias for the same reasons : we went against the interests of the establishment so we were the bad useless guys
You anglo are probably just as stupid as liberals to fall and believe in this garbage

58,209 burgers died in Vietnam and they achieved literally nothing.

Sounds like a loss to me.

The last time America won a war against a somewhat equally armed and trained enemy was the Spanish-American war, and even that was against a Spain on the verge of internal collapse. Ever since the Americans have either acted as reinforcements that arrived too late (don't pretend the Germans weren't already destroyed by 1943, don't pretend it wasn't just a race to Berlin from the least guarded side of Germany from that point onward), or as horribly inefficient policemen in third world proxy wars.

This, above all, is why I fear Clinton. She will start a war against Russia, and she will lose. Because the Russians aren't rice farmers.

The emus won

I think that plantation scene in Apocalypse Now says it all.

Can we not fight? Anybody with a scrap of knowledge on either side knows that our nations share one of the deepest bonds of brotherhood in history.

You're kind of faggots now, but then so are we. So long as La Fayette's bones rest in Paris, we'll alwags be to fight for his nation out of gratitude.

And even facing a civil war the spanish army won several battles, including sea battles

>making anti-Americans threads when most of them are asleep.
French courage really is pathetic.

>american education

Yes France surrendered but so did every other European nation except Russia. And the British were surrounded by sea so they were lucky.
And despite that the French continued fighting with the Free French Forces and with resistance groups all over France.

also this

>we killed thousands of germans
27,074. not that many desu. :^)

usa lost
iraq lost
israel won

Two different types of wars. Two different types of enemies. Two different types warfare.

The USA was unprepared for this new type of warfare. As such, the loss is unsurprising.

Also we need to remind the thousands of pro-usa people who were abandoned in vietnam and were slaughter by the vietkongs

The Navy alone has enough force to destroy an entire country between 2 carriers and a missile cruiser. We have 11 of those carriers and 3 more on the way, and a literal fleet of cruisers ready to go. If America lost a war at this point it would be because of absolute nuclear holocaust.

Not that many ? Are you kidding ? It's freaking huge you idiot, even more when you know that after Dunkerque the french army was retreating

>what is blitzkrieg

Cheri, let's not forget you also lost to a bunch of Googles...

You will die of cancer before reaching the russian coastline

>The Americans being 'unprepared' for a type of war that had been around for at least 100 years is a valid excuse
>Bearing the brunt of WW1's allied casualties and infrastructure damage as well as losing an entire generation of men is not.

>If America lost a war at this point it would be because of absolute nuclear holocaust.
Isn't it convenient that Russia had a much underreported nuclear drill in which they estimated they could evacuate at least 40 million Russians (a third of their total population) almost instantly, then?

Implying we gave a fuck about you

Come on, dude. 27,000 out of 3,350,000. This is literally nothing.

Going away from a shithole like Haiti is not loosing my dear

LOL

And a thousand tanks and airplane ? And having to deal with regiments that lost thousands of men ? Against an army that was retreating ? Against an army that didn't have air superiority at any moment ?

Please, even your Dunkirk general said that the french army fought really well considering the odds

We wuz liberators and sheit, we killed the evil whiteys and turned the richest island of the caribeans into a somalian shithole

Congratulations, nigger

How is going with the freedom?

I don't get what the joke is. France fought literally all of Europe at the time so protecting Haiti against its own stupidity was an afterthought. They only faced local garrissons (that already had to fend against the Spanish) and later on a handful of Poles that ended up betraying France anyway.

In the end Haitian independence was a good thing: it provided the civilized world with a case study of a country where whites left behind highly efficient and effective institutions but blacks ruled themselves. And the only thing that came from it is clear-cut evidence that blacks cannot rule themselves, even if everything is in their favor (from the climate to government institutions from a strong domestic agriculture).

Are you some kind of Haitian aristocrat?

>hitler runs your country
>lost
I will never understand the double standards of Sup Forums

France also lost against the gooks you moron

Chocolatine

Do you mean the only one in his town capable of paying an internet café to shitpost on the internet ? Yeah that probably makes him an aristocrat

No.

Say it again

It really doesn't matter how many people hunker down in the kind of holocaust I'm talking about. With the strength the average payload of a modern nuke is and the number at which they are stockpiled, were talking completely uninhabitable conditions for thousands of miles. I mean, some of these things can generate so much heat that the sky itself ignites.
We're talking no wonder scenario, and I'm hoping to bet a tactical done strike or what have you would occur before things escalated that level. But then, both works leaders in this scenario are equally stubborn and brash, so yeah, we're probably all doomed.

You had every opportunity to prepare for what was coming and you still got rolled. The odds should have never gotten so out of hand to begin with.

>Chocolatine

Only degenerates call them like that you fucking faggot

They lost against the gooks after having weathered two world wars, one occupation, a government that had no idea what the fuck it wanted to do (with half of them outright siding with the Viets) as well as a military consisting of a few Moroccans and outdated American weaponry. And even then they managed to leave behind a pro-Western South Vietnam. They did the exact same thing the Americans did in Korea, which the Americans consider a victory. By American standards the French "won".

Then the Americans came in with the most powerful, modern and large military in the world and 50% of the entire planets GDP. And they lost everything the French had worked to preserve: South-Vietnam AND Laos AND Cambodia.

The Americans have literally no excuse for this utter and complete display of military and political incompetence.

Reading this thread made me realize how little I know about the actual battle of France.

What was it like? Was it just Germans advancing-stopping for a bit to consolidate-advancing again, or did the allies counterattack at times? Most people imagine a continuous steamroll, but that wouldn't have taken six weeks. What was the air battle like? Did the Germans dominate the skies? Why? What were the tech levels like between the parties?

Six weeks is a lot of time when you consider the battle didn't even spread to the entire territory of France. What went on during that time?

We had a socialist government for years that didn't want to prepare, then we have a right wing government that started to modernize the army and launched a lot of projects but this government arrived too late
Fucking socialists

No you fuck off you fucking faggot.
The only good place left in France says chocolatine.

CHOCOLATINE Monsieur!

French were kicked out of indochina so american moved in you history less bird crap

You said you killed thousands of Germans. I showed you didn't. Material losses are another story (although we captured a lot of your nice stuff afterwards).

Good for you you were retreating anyway, your losses would be higher, ours probably as well.

>t's freaking huge you idiot
No, its not. The Germans lost about 800,000 men in Stalingrad alone, and that's just one city. France is basically irrelevant. The Poles killed more Germans than you.

Face it frog, you got BTFO'd in WW2

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Australians saved your ungrateful surrender monkey asses more then once.

6 weeks isn't a lot of time

>You said you killed thousands of Germans.
Eh, you know what i mean.

USA destroyed the North Vietnamese military and forced the Vietcong, which N. Vietnam still had to negotiate peace IN PARIS (IRONY), in which US withdrew its forces and North Vietnam invaded an unstable S. Vietnam years after US force withdraw.

Not the same situation snail sucker.

these are fucking incredible

me da worked as a tour guide in a Club Med resort over here and he used to take me and my mom there on vacation. We used to get these for breakfast from the French restaurant. What do you call them in French?Funny thing, parts of the resorts were segregated - there was a beach for the Bulgarians and a beach for the French and a restaurant for the Bulgarians and a restaurant for the French. The Bulgarian parts were considered lower quality and it was true for the beach, rocky fucking shithole. As far as food goes, French breakfast was better, but Bulgarian lunch and dinner were toppest tier.

As far as I know, it was more or less like this
>Maginot Line was built with the intention of keeping the Germans out of Alsace (which it did, technically it did exactly what it was built for)
>The Germans went around, in Belgium
>The French weren't caught with their pants down as is often believed, as they (and the BEF) deployed in the Ardennes
>The Germans did end up outmanouvering them though, meaning they were within the French heartland with most of they Entente behind them and Paris in front of them
>Most fighting was against local garissons and sometimes the bulk of the army trying and failing to catch up with the Germans
Blitzkrieg was a mobile war where the French expected a static one. The main French military body was mostly avoided while smaller groups were steamrolled. Also, the Germans totally dominated the skies. I probably overlooked some things but that's the Battle of France in a nutshell.

As for tech, you often hear it heard that the French had better tanks than the Germans. This is both true and not true. The French tanks were superior in firepower, but much, much inferior in mobility. When the Germans focus on mobile warfare, you can see why superior firepower didn't help a lot.

Then what about 19 days? On foot? Napoleon casually strolled from Paris to Berlin in a third of the time it took the Germans with tanks, planes and a doctrine entirely centered around mobility to reach Paris. But let's forget that so we can laugh at the Germans and pretend German history isn't 60% losing territory to France and 40% losing territory to everyone else.

>Patton banter on the French

This. We lost the war in 1945 not in 1940.

At first the french, belgian and british army resisted well even if the germans progressed quickly on the belgian border, the netherlands thought that they didn't risk that much but were litteraly steamrolled when Hitler decided to take the country, they were unprepared
In the sky, the germans had better planes in a greater numbers but the french had good ones too, they arrived in the french air force too late sadly so they couldn't really won the air superiority, the germans won this one
We had better ground gear howeover, the french tanks were beasts at this time and inflicted huge casualties on the germans that only had light tanks, howeover due to the fact we lost the air superiority, our tank superiority didn't make us winners, we still managed to launch several successful counter attack with our tanks in Lorraine and won several battles about that
What makes us losing this war was in fact the german army that crossed the ardenne forest we thought that wasn't crossable, several french officers considered to fortify this area but weren't really listened and by the time the air force discovered they were crossing the forest we didn't have troops to stop them right away, so they took a huge chunk of the french army and the british army and isolated them from the rest of France, the french army managed to resist several weeks but the anglo decided to retreat into the UK, the french army covered the anglo retreat and then took the boat to be send back on the frontline, reorganizing the frontline was of course a mess, we didn't managed to do it, our generals weren't that competent either even if one would need a fucking genius to manage to do it by this point, after we lost Paris it was more or less done, the politicians gave power to Pétain that didn't want to continue the fight and surrendered

>Vietnam's battles after the mid XX to pre XXI:
1945-1954: We fought France
1954-1965: We fought South Vietnam backed by US
1965-1972: We fought South Vietnam again
1979: We toppled the Khmer Rouge
Same year: We fought the Chinese Liberation Army
Afterward we still have some minor skirmishes and claim back the islands from China and others country.

We had several plans to continue the war howeover, one of them was to fortify heavily Britanny and send there a large chunk of the french army, the other ones were to continue the fight in the colonies with the whole french army and even to make a political union with the UK, it was in fact almost already concluded but Pétain that took power at the same time decided that it won't happen

>during which they lost more soldiers than the Americans in WW2
Man, the French are really good at getting their ass kicked. Meanwhile, the U.S. considers it a loss when we only have a 10:1 kill ratio.

Well, I mean the France did have alot more to lose then Germany. The Poles had to fight to avoid being ethinically replaced for a large part by Germans while the French had to fight so they could get replaced by niggers and muslims

>Didnt achieve their militairy goals
The communist party eventually surrendered
The u.s won vietnam, for some rason some historian fags label it as a loss since the majority of the people didnt agree with it in the first place.

You mean the "I'd rather have a German division in front of me than a French one behind me"? That was literally a fake quote made up by Fox News of all sources.

en.wikiquote.org/wiki/George_S._Patton#Misattributed

Try again, G.I. Joe.

>the France did have alot more to lose then Germany
more to lose then Poland*

More like the French are more accepting of casualties. They bled themselves dry in WW1, while the Americans cry over the brutality of war when one soldier gets killed by an IED.

>The u.s won vietnam
Kek. It's easier to argue France won WW2 than America won the Vietnam War. The government that the British recognized as legitimate (Charles de Gaulle) did not only not surrender but ended up occupying German territory. On the other hand the Americans ended up permanently losing control of South-Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia. They went in out of fear of the Domino effect, and were powerless to prevent it.

Keep pretending the US has a clean military record though.

No fuck face, it was the "fixed fortifications are a monument to the stupidity of man".

Sup Forums hijacked my image trigger your sperg,

h-hey we held out 5 days... and stopped paratroopers from capturing our queen.

>The u.s won vietnam, for some rason some historian fags label it as a loss since the majority of the people didnt agree with it in the first place.
Is that what they teach you in school?

>Napoleon casually strolled from Paris to Berlin
To be honest he started his campaign on the Thuringian border which is actually not that far from Berlin (hardly 300km, one third of the distance Paris - Berlin), but he beat the Prussian army (Prussian, not German for there was no Germany) and once again proved what an able commander he was.

Yeah I know, but the germans attacked you while you didn't really suspected they would and they send paratroopers all over your fortifications, you didn't have expeditionary forces to help you keep the front since it was done too quickly
Your government probably thought it would be like during WW1 when the Netherlands remained successfuly neutral

>The government that the British recognized as legitimate (Charles de Gaulle)
So the government the British recognized was the true government? Just because the British recognized it, even though it was a rebellion that the British favored, while a good majority of the country had sold itself out to the Germans?
Sounds legit.

Win in Iraq?
If you count winning as:
taking out the only thing holding back those desert niggers from forming ISIS
Then sure, they won because it meant more military spending for the military complex that is America.

NO!!! AMERIKEKS WERE BTFO!!

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>More like the French are more accepting of casualties. They bled themselves dry in WW1
They also dropped artillery on their own soldiers for retreated. More accepting of casualties is quite a broad statement.

Just keep sharpening that edge.

The legitimate is the one that won at the end, Hideki, the winner is always the legitimate one

>So the government the British recognized was the true government?
It's easier to argue that the government allied by the Allied command, that eventually overthrew the pretender government, was the rightful government. Much easier than this idea that you can fail in achieving all stated goals in a war and end up "winning" it.

>but he beat the Prussian army
During the War of the 4th Coalition, in which he also had to fend against Austria, Russia, Britain, Spain and a few minor European countries. He simply managed to take out the small fry first before moving his attention to the legitimate threats. Even Austria, which he compared to an old whore that had grown accustomed to being raped, took him more time than the greatest of the German kingdoms.

Thats true but what brought us to our knees was the bombing of Rotterdam. We had nearly no airforce.

No thanks to the British. The reason a Brit ever stepped foot back on mainland Europe was because of American involvement. The Brits were the ones famous for retreating from France.

Actually, you lied about the numbers. France suffered fewer military casualties than the U.S. during WWII. That's including the resistance.

The Réveihlac case was an isolate case, thank god, but yeah even if the soviet "retreat and you will be shot" was a meme, we actually did it during ww1

The French got BTFO by the Vietnamese.

Nice argument.

Saddam and his friends were the only thing keeping those retards from organizing.

We now have a bigger problem than anything they caused.
FAR bigger.
Those Islamic terrorists are a plague hiding in plain sight all around most major countries involved in the war in some way.

the French lost to the same rice paddy farmers op

It's another case of british loyalty to their allies

I don't understand how an army with planes and advanced weapons could lose to jungle rice farmers with practically muskets and old-era weapons. And they weren't even soldiers.