Let's be honest:
In a land of superheroes and supervillains, Frank is the only sane man among them. In reality, sure, he's a crazy vigilante. But in reality police can actually catch criminals, and prisons can actually keep inmates inside them.
When genocidal loons escape from jail every Wednesday, they need to be put down. End of story.
Does Frank even Frank anyone worthwhile villains besides Cartel bosses that never end and D-Lister villains?
Owen "Ow" D. Edge
We get it, you want to kill people but are too much of a pussy to actually go postal.
Go back to masturbating in /k/.
The entire Marvel Universe that one time.
I get the feeling you didn't read a single word I said.
In reality Frank would have racked up a civilian/bystander body-count in the double digits within a couple of months and the supers would have had to take him out. The same comic-book magic that keeps all the supervillains from being gunned down immediately upon capture is what keeps Frank from batting the grenade into the wrong side-alley with a little homeless girl in it, or a demolished building from falling the wrong way and crushing somebody's grandma.
If you take away the supervillains' plot protection, you also need to consider whether civilians will still have it.
It was twice, one where the Avengers+X-men were fighting the Skrulls I think and his family was a causality and the one where they become cannibals
No
Because Frank doesn't go after the big fish. He hasn't killed Kingpin, or Red Skull, or any of the genocidal anti-mutant people, or the space fuckers
From a meta standpoint, he's playing it safe
but Frank only ever kills low level mooks that don't actually matter
Frank vs Big Boss who wins?
>Don't actually matter.
Implying you aren't a million times more likely to get mugged, raped, or killed by one of those low-level mooks, and the odds of being in the 0.5% of the city that is at risk from one of Green Goblins bright and easy to see grenades that people regularly survive.
Obviously Big Boss. Why is this even a topic of discussion? Frank would just start gunning down BB's troops, and then one of BB's squad of super weirdos, aka FOXHOUND, would just murder the fuck out of him. Mantis would mindrape him, or Snake and Liquid would doubleteam him, or Fox would do his ninja shit.
In this analogy I'm assuming this is the glory days of FOXHOUND before everyone and their mother went rogue.
Bullseye and Kingpin in MAX
>Ghost (we never learn his real name) has an axe to grind with modern corporate greed and, in particular, the military industrial complex. He's like that crazy conspiracy theorist who thinks that GE is building spy satellites to control you through the fillings in your teeth. Given the world he lives in, however, that's not actually crazy.
>In the Marvel universe, you've got the military industrial complex building giant robots to kill their own citizens for being genetically different, experimenting on people to try to make super soldiers, and actively engaging in corporate espionage to steal technologies from one company to give them to other, less scrupulous ones. The Red Skull managed to get himself into a position of power in the United States government using the ridiculously obvious name Dell Rusk. Shapeshifting aliens have stolen and replaced major players in every field from government to corporate to superpowered heroes and villains. Tony Stark built a satellite that literally made everyone on Earth forget he was Iron Man. Ghost isn't crazy for believing that the powerful people, and in particular the corporations, are out to get him and the rest of humanity; he's arguably one of the few sane people in the Marvel universe when it comes to his beliefs.
The Russian
Scarface
Barracuda
Bullseye sometimes
Frank doesn't work in the continuous story style of comics.
There must always be super villains, mobsters, drug dealers, pedophiles, rapist etc. in superhero comics. Without these things there is nothing for the hero to do. There is no story.
That's why the Joker isn't dead. Why Osborn and Lex are always given another chance. Why the Kingpin always gets out of jail. Why Doomsday always comes back. Because they make good stories for the heroes we read. And because they are needed Frank can never complete his mission.
He will always regulated down to dealing with no name thugs and leaders who don't matter and are replaced every writer change. He is never going to add to his kill count anyone of any kind of importance because this robs another character of their owns tory potential.
He is a character, built around the ineffective nature of a fictions reality, that is just as useless as the heroes he chastises and acts as a moral foil to.
Frank only works in self contained stories or universes removed from a never ending continuity.
In real life The Hulk would have a body count comparable to a few minor wars.
Good thing they live comic books.
He killed one version of the Vulture.
You're thinking of /r9k/
Dipshit
>in reality
>supers
I figure Frank _is_ a super, he's just never figured it out. Basically naturally occurring low-power Midnighter.
Frank did kill a vigilant who accidentaly killed a civilian. The difference between Frank and a Hobo with a Shotgun is that Castle plans his attacks. That's why he never killed an innocent.
This, and really, you can hardly blame him. He's just a guy with a gun. He did try to take out President Osborne once, and he barely escaped with his life. He ended up finding himself facing Daken, and he fucking died. Considering that, it's not too surprising he goes after small timers most of the time.
Frank is the biggest mary sue in comics and his fans are delusional
I like Frank but his fanboys make me want to drink paint. It's basically Batfags combined with autistic weapons nerds mixed with 80's MANLY ACTION cocksmokers, it's a Bermuda Triangle of shitposting.
That is wildly unrealistic. No amount of planing will tell you exactly who is in a large crack house at any given time or where a stray bullet will go or who is just shooting at you in self defense.
a sane man would look at the track record and not choose new fucking york as the place to settle down with his family.if the gangsters didn't get them the aliens would have, or the time travelers, or the mutants, or the moonmen.
But in a world where only the most irrelevant villains stay dead, killing them is just as futile and ironically those are the same guys who would stay in jail.
>In real life The Hulk would have a body count comparable to a few minor wars.
When that one psycho woman and her boytoy tried to kill Jessica Jones for being a meta, she was rambling on about how the Hulk dropped a building on somebody she loved during the Battle for New York. Seems like casualties are already implied.
>The difference between Frank and a Hobo with a Shotgun is that Castle plans his attacks. That's why he never killed an innocent.
Yeah, no.
He's been ambushed by baddies so many times, he has no reason to ever be able to plan that shit. Writers usually do that internal-dialogue-to-avoid-casualties thing where they handwave Frank accidentally shooting someone.
Jigsaw
IN REALITY, police wouldn't be so incompetent that they can't even deal with basic purse snatchers. Your argument
is dumb.
>realism!
Jesus fucking Christ. Just admit you don't like the character.
That would be true if he went after supervillians, but he rarely does. And when he does, they usually come back to life.
This makes more sense than OP.
He's tried to kill the Kingpin a whole bunch of times. They're on a first name basis by now.
It just proves how shit the heroes are. How can New York be so crime riddled when you have that many heroes in it? At least Gotham is cursed, if anything.
>It just proves how shit the heroes are.
The point is that there is no end to criminals.
Take one down, several more take their place. Crime fighting is a never-ending job.
Is Frank truly redpilled?
Years of being Franked have resulted in him developing an immunity, however.
Sounds like the Hulk's super-math
The reality is that Frank is a serial killer with a very generic type and if a civilian got caught in his crossfire he'd treat with the same amount of emotion he treats someone getting gunned down fighting with him
After all, the last criminal to punish will always be himself
How should he treat it? Have a moral crisis and stop doing a ything productive at all?
Obviously he needs to take up music... perhaps harp?
Oh god, I remember this thread.
Oh FUCK you!
Well golly gee wizz I wonder where they got that design from
Maybe they like to play Castlevania
>In reality Frank would have racked up a civilian/bystander body-count in the double digits within a couple of months and the supers would have had to take him out.
In reality, most superheroes would have body count in the triple digits, not to mention countless people with crippling injuries.
>Frank is the biggest mary sue in comics
That would be Batman. Frank doesn't even come close.
>it just proves how shit the heroes are
No it doesn't. It proves that MU humans are basically all the guys from Crossed, just without the outward signs. Consider the following:
A quick search online reveals that Castle's official kill count is apparently 48,502. That's what 0.5 percent of the city population. And that's not even very outlandish with what's shown in the comics; he's been operating for 20 years or so and seemingly kills criminals literally every single night on top of bombing large meetings of them.
So statistically speaking everyone in New York knows someone the Punisher has killed. Plenty of people double up on that one I'm sure. But statistically speaking, a person has met, encountered, knows someone who has died as a result of, or in fact themselves BEEN SHOT BY THE PUNISHER.
In real life, there are about 300 gangs in New York, and 600 in Chicago. New York's gang population isn't given where I'm looking, but Chicago's is at 70,000, so that'd imply around 35,000 gangsters in New York. Even assuming a hefty number of those kills are not local crime, he's easily killed the equivalent of every single gang member in New York City. This is not counting anyone he may have discouraged from even joining by his mere presence.
Frank Castle, by the time he was too old to continue, would have killed every gang in New York several times by the time he was done. This is one person. There are also several hundred other people with varying degrees of mercy and superpower that fight crime in New York
There are also police.
WHAT THE FUCK IS SO ATTRACTIVE ABOUT CRIME IN THIS GODDAM CITY?
Big Boss>OG Nick Fury>Frank
With so many powerful heroes in New York, it should not be a shithole is what user is saying. That is what he means by "It just proves how shit the heroes are".
The same thing that is always attractive about crime
"Those muthafuckas are dumb, my plan is foolproof"
>mantis would mind rape
Isn't Frank in complete control of his pysche at all times? Snake and Liquid wouldn't double team him simply because they are pretty much mortal fucking enemies.
In straight up hand-to-hand combat, I think Frank and Boss would hit a stalemate. Both are human, no powers, peak physical condition.
>Frank targets purse snatchers
Nah. That's Spiderman shit. Frank would target assclowns like Shkreli, modern Neo Nazis, KKK, Anitfa who burn cars and assault white people, etc.
To be fair, part of that 48502 comes from a nuke he dropped on a literal hostile army.
Solid Frank is so handsome.
Chechetto's Frank is by far my favorite.
This.
Its not even that. When mass murdering criminals/supervillains are caught, they need to be executed. Screw the insanity defense, just execute with no regards to their mental state.