When did you get out of your edgy "Heil Hitler gas the kikes" phase and become a non-retarded White nationalist, Sup Forums?
White identity is not Hitler. Hitler doesn't fucking matter. It doesn't matter if the holocaust happened or not. No, Hitler was not evil incarnate. Hitler is also not the final evolved form of White identity.
Gas yourselves.
The reality:
>Nationalism existed before Hitler. The idea that the Hitler regime defines nationalism forever after WW2 is ludicrous and ultimately comes from leftist talking points
>Both sides in WW2 were just as White nationalist as each other
>Churchill campaigned to "Keep Britain White"
>De Gaulle is considered a nasty racist by the French left today
>The Americans and Brits who died fighting Hitler didn't think they were fighting an anti racist war
>The idea that White identity = National Socialism / fascism / Hitler is a cultural marxist idea
>Nazi Germany was the lesser of two evils when contrasted with the USSR, but that doesn't make it good
Hating Hitler is just as stupid as loving him.
it's not a phase, pupper, in your heart you know.. It doesn't go away..
>muh hololol
Daily reminder that Hitler's crime was to seize Rothschilds' bank and jail him. His biggest mistake, to release him in an attempt to avoid war with the UK.
The occasional Nazi joke is fine but this constant talk about Hitler and Jews just makes you sound fucking insane to normal people. We have to break the stereotype that pro-White = wild eyes Neo Nazi who wants to kill 6 million Jews.
White identity is rising
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BUT most of the White people aren't going to lap up your Hitler propaganda. Sorry, it ain't gonna happen. Whites are solidly anti-"Nazi", whether you like it or not. I would like it if Whites were neutral about Nazism and Hitler, because it would make everything we do easier.
So everyone AltRight needs to wake up and realize that THE MORE WEIRD/FRINGE/OFF THE WALL we seem, the more we lose.
Be normal, be relatable, be human. Be someone who says things in favor of their people without coming off as a Jew obsessed Hitler fanatic.
We need to break the conditioning.
>inb4 Alex Jones
Doesn't matter this doesn't resonate with average people. They just think Hitler talk is crazy talk. It doesn't matter how right or wrong you are about Hitler. Think like a propagandist, like Goebbels, even. Be smart.
If you want to awaken nationalism in people, you'll shut up about der Fuhrer.
oops here is the true video link
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never but what we need to do and what i do to further the cause is steer clear of mentioning hitler and stay away from racist rhetoric and stick to stating facts eg higher crime rates in other races, pointing out the degenerice of religon especially muslims. The promtion of national pride and the pushing of nationalised banking should be the main goals
Well we care about our race but call it "our people", that takes the sting out of it.
Look, the media is desperate to make us look crazy, weird, unstable, kooky. The truth is that White people supporting their people is the most healthy, natural and normal thing imaginable.
If you give a fuck about your people, you will give up Nazi symbols and rhetoric! Maybe in 100-200 yrs Whites will re-think Hitler, and maybe that's a good thing, I don't know. But it's 2016 and we need to show that pro-White is good. Don't do what the SPLC wants you to do: don't (appear to be) a Neo Nazi fuck they can easily demonize.
Do the right thing.
Yeah no, go fuck yourself Mr 60%, Hitler is the prophet of our modern times and no amount of you kikery will change that.
Wow such logik and proof. I now agree completely.
>"OMG HE DOESN'T WANT TO MAKE HIS NATIONALISM ALL ABOUT HITLER AND THE THIRD REICH"
>"THAT MEANS HE'S A KIKE ZIO AGENT REEEE"
Just as bad as idiots who think opposition to immigration means you support genocide. Grow a brain, Sqiptar
Other way around. I like Hitler but im far from a white nationalist. I am a Nazi but am against anti-antisemitism and believe all races are equal
You're stupid
>getting this triggered
You've been found out Moshe?
So how long before you get over this stage of retardation in your pathetic life?
>this much proof
Wtf I love Hitler now.
Hitler was a heroic figure for any white nationalist he is like Trump but 10x better if you can even imagine it. no, we shall never forget him or the sacrifices made by the german people to free humanity but in the end, it is all history now. We must look towards the future but I still enjoy third reich threads. What a an absolutely beautiful few years.
You're stupid as fuck. I'm a Nazi but against nationalism and racism. FUCK OFF
>Kike damage control
I can see your hooked nose from here schlomo, please gas yourself
>The Normie's don't like Hitler
>So we shouldn't talk about him
The red pill on Hitler and the holocaust is good because it opens your eyes to how massive a lie the elites are capable of.
Once you realize the holohoax is impossible and that Hitler did nothing wrong, you will now question everything, this is a good thing.
It doesn't matter how good or bad he was, you destroy your ability to do successful outreach to normal Whites. We need to take this thing away from being a fringe ideology to eventually dominating most White people's consciousness.
After White identity is normal we can think about Hitler. Right now it's a waste of time, a distraction. Plenty of people like Hitler but don't give a fuck about race. Also there have been millions of Whites who didn't like Hitler but were pro-their race.
I like things about the third reich, you can like it. Fine. It had some great ideas. You still fuck over your ability to convince our people. We must think tribally. We are a people. Whites are our people. You have to reach out to them. If you say pro-Hitler shit they just think you're a wacko. And a lot of Whites are awakening to their identity see Why are you ignoring all of this?
No not "the normies", our people. White people. My grandfather was pro-White and he didn't like Hitler. My grandfather opposed the "civil rights" garbage.
Hitler=/=pro-White.
White people gave a shit about their race long before Hitler was even born. Fuck's sake. Whether the holocaust happened or not SHOULD HAVE NO EFFECT ON YOUR VIEWS.
I am not pro-my people because the holocaust didn't happen. That's a fucking stupid basis for your identity politics.
sure
pls have cancer
Nice try Schlomo, but i mean nothing, and absolutely nothing will make us drop Hitler. You're not the first kike faggot to come here and try to subvert the board, and you most certainly won't be the last. Hitleris not just a man, he's a spirit, an idea, and ideas are immortal.
Only a jew would be this mad about Hitler
Hitler was right
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that's still only one reason he's talked about, but there's so many other reasons, pretty much everything from his world applies to our now. It was only 80 years ago. The jews are still around , destroying the world almost unopposed
Sup Forums is satire. You shouldn't take this shit literally normal fag.
Stormfags really have to go back
Everything decent about the Third Reich came from the Second, like Healthcare, workers rights, nationalism, strong military etc.
here's the things that made the Empire better
>The Empire was a lot more chill then Nazi Germany, you actually had liberty and a wise, educated leader who was taught how to effectively rule a country, instead of some crazy egotistical Austrian who didn't care about the people's freedoms.
>The Third Reich was a dictatorship that didn't want any opinions that didn't conform to the Nazi party. There was little discussion and only a small minority of people were represented. The Empire however, had a strong monarch yet still had a parliament to both keep him in check and make sure the different voices of the people were heard, that way the monarch didn't become totally disconnected with the people he was to guide.
>a fucking sqip.
Will senpai please notice this roach
>He called me Schlomo
Wow this proof, dis logic. Daym fool. I'm like a Strasserist Neo-Heydrichist esoteric Adolf Hitlerist right now thanks to dis.
You're definitely going to get even 1% of Whites to agree with you. Solid. Total Aryan victory is yours, now, I can see it.
#Mind=blown
>Only a jew would be this mad about Hitler
Are you even aware of how stupid this comment is? Lots of people don't like Hitler for lots of reasons
If I was mad about Hitler I wouldn't post smiling Hitler. I don't hate Hitler. Hitler being good or bad isn't the point.
Why don't Neo Nazi types larp the 2nd reich? It was fucking badass. But the Natsocks want to shock and signal how hardcore they are, like this little guy Sad.
I hope a lot of you grow out of this phase and realize you don't need to be a 1488% edgelord to support your people
I grew out of it months after I grew into it. Almost all iconography and aestheticism of the 3rd Riech is German. Now, I'm still a White Nationalist, but there isn't much there that speaks to any one except Germans themselves, because it's who the movement was made for. Hitler was a man of his time, and we should be men of ours. There won't be a beer hall putsch, and we need to keep the ideals and goals, but move on from the imagery. Hitler was a man, not a God. Hitler is dead. We can do this, but it has to be in our own unique way. Can't LARP your way around this.
I've been lurking through all this nazi bullshit for years and now you're starting to make the most sense.
It seems you've grown into your post nazi edge mode.
The idea that being a nationalist means Hitler is literally a lefty propaganda idea to demonize us. The Hitler stuff just keeps nationalism small, isolated and weird to outsiders.
We need to signal that we are normal, sane and right about our worldview. Thanks for your encouraging comment.
Never implied i was, Schlomo, but consider the following: Had it not been for you meeting Hitler, today you'd be a bluepilled faggot welcoming refugees into your house and complaining about the "xenophibic" old people, and we both know that. It was Hitler who gave you, or me, or really anyone in this board the first push, and it is Hitler who will made new Prophet, not you, or me. And we both know that. This tjread onky serves to show how little you know of Hitler.
He was right.
The Zionist Jews Control everything, and we are already slaves. Free rang no less.
Hitler was a shitskin cuck. Fuck him and anyone who likes him.
Daily reminder that your flag is metal as fuck.
>Never implied i was, Schlomo, but consider the following: Had it not been for you meeting Hitler, today you'd be a bluepilled faggot welcoming refugees into your house and complaining about the "xenophibic" old people,
Nonsense.
Whites were pro-their people way, way fucking before Hitler and will be way, way after him. You calling me Schlomo also makes you look 1000% moronic to most people.
Stobbit
Even if that were true it wouldn't mean being openly pro-Hitler is smart politically. It's not.
Now, the organized Jewish community has a fuckton of power, but they don't have total power. They aren't dictators. Now, they are a big power player in the western world, especially America, but saying we're their slaves is fucking dumb. Not that I don't want to stop Jewry from having influence, I do. But talk like that sounds Alex Jones-tier to normal Whites.
We need to push our ideology mainstream.
No one is mad about Hitler, or pointing the Jew out. The point is WN can be more than dead men with dead iconography. To so many NatSoc's, there will not be a single person who will meet what Hitler is to them, and so they will downplay anyone who gets us closer to these goals, I've seen it time after time, and holding on to these things just keeps the cycle going.
redpill me on jew occultism and esoteric nazism
The most hardcore natsocs are also the first to shit all over anyone openly pro-White. They pushed RamZPaul to call WNism a cult, which is horrible because RamZPaul has tons of subscribers and he gets the message out.
He is still pro-White but natsoc faggots make WNism look fucking insane even to a lot of sympathetic rightwing people.
They play right into (((their))) hands
it's something that very edgy people think and post about because they want to signal how unique and knowledgeable they are. basically.
I always tought Nazism was for kids with dandruff.
I thought GHW would be a good president when I was 12 maybe
You did get into white nationalism through him though, that's exactly what your thread implies, which renders you entire point moot, believing that you can't convince anyone to join through Hitler yet you yourself being the living proof. Really makes me go hmmmmmmm.
What? Please elaborate. Genuinely curious.
>inb4 thx 4 (u)
im into the occult already, so I'm not exactly a spiritually normie
What gets me the most is everything according to the Jews.
We're all Gentiles. Servants no smarter than a horse. The term antisemite. No other word for prejudice against other people's...
America is a safe haven with the first amendment.
They own the banks and politics.
They influence the world. They work together better than any other race. And the pit us against each other for profit.
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It's not about Hitler, it's about survival this time. He was a brilliant man who was ahead of his time but the spirit of nationalism is biologically ingrained in europeans, as well as patience and that is the period we are in now. One day the pressure that is building will become too much and the European conquer will once again be unleashed, but this time we will reconquer our own land. When these hate speech anti fascist laws are passed all they are doing is pushing the discussion that could have been resolved if we were allowed a public voice underground.
The radical left is so far detached from normal people that those who considered themselves liberal are no longer allowed a voice at the table and will look the other way when the right reaffirms itself.
I would have been one anyway.
Hitler only seems like the epitome of nationalism and White identity because of lefty anti-White propaganda, created TO DEMONIZE WHITES.
Wake up, skippy
I'm not pro-Jew. I don't love Jews. But I also know that larping Hitler won't stop antiWhite psychotic Jews. It might even help them.
Exactly, and they need to get out of their own way. All they know is alienation of people who aren't spouting things right from the 30's playbook, and everyone can see their extreme paranoia. They are driven away in droves because it. I'm not gonna shit on Anglin, but he's just as guilty of it, maybe the most guilty. RamzPaul, Jared Taylor, Richard Spencer, they've all had to deal with some form of this.
I agree in a lot of ways, but we have to be evangelists here. Millions of Whites feel like we do, deep down, worried about demographic changes, would like to be able to have a group identity, etc.
But you need to talk to them in a way that makes sense. Hitler won't do that. Just by stating that you now look like a crazy person to 99% of Whites.
It's not worth it.
Yea. Anglin should take a stand against people hating on Spencer and Taylor, but he tacitly encourages it.
No, not all White people are going to become NS, once the larpers realize that maybe they will stop hating moderate pro-Whites.
Alex jones is a puppet in the propaganda stream.
>nigga sells water filters and munitions.
I'm not pro hitler.
But I doubt the Jewish people hold anyone other than the Jewish people's best interest at heart.
Jews are well off and looking into the religion itself is disturbing. Given the track records of expulsion from countries, and deeply rooted hatred for them is a sign. They are well off and organized. They control us with debt and the dollar. They're a people of no land and they're everywhere.
We serve them. It's their ideology.
And they've already won.
They started communism. They created the propaganda film industry.
The Jews are literally North Korean dictators.
Only they hide in the shadows and pull strings like puppets. And we see it, but can do nothing to stop it.
What makes you so sure the Jews don't own Sup Forums.org these days?
oh I see. You want me to sugar the redpill and pretend its a "choo choo" train and feed the normies.
Fuck. You.
The entire basis of the movement is truth, no matter how ugly
your grandfather was probably Jewish, which makes you ... dun dun dun... a dirty KIKE. gas yourself
>The Jews are literally North Korean dictators.
Not right now, they aren't. Simply false.
They were temporarily that powerful in the USSR. Your post looks fucking insane to normies. Learn to speak in coded language if you want to convert people, man. Otherwise you're just talking to yourself.
The AltRight was never natsoc. Everyone fucking sugar coats, you pleb. This is how politics has always worked. Hitler spoke in terms that appealed to people. This is politics.
Politics involves propaganda and outreach in a way that your target audience can understand.
Your style will make us into a stagnant pile of edgelords who can't influence new people for shit.
Le stupid post
It's not sugar coating anything, Its turning it from a fringe movement to an every man's movement. Like it or not, it has to be somewhat digestible for it to stay down. There's a reason why the biggest growing right wing movements aren't doing things the way you think they should be done by spamming Hitler instead of taking the idea, or the point, and saying it yourself.
I'd like it of Anglin was held somewhat accountable for it, but it would just make things worse. Anyone that doesn't prescribe to his every thought pattern us a cuck, even though that word was meant for neocons who won't fight immigration and pander to minorities. Its pretty irritating having to deal with people who would rather have Stormfront right where it is, and be the soul source if everything pro-white. Its cultish in the worst of ways.
NatSoc was never Alt-Right you faggot.
Honestly Anglin has his problems but he's still better than the 1990s/2000s Stormfront type. He is better because he uses irony and memes, which softens the blow.
Please follow my twitter and subscribe to my YT channel btw, thanks for your post.
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Hitler is not just a symbol of nationalism, but of the struggle against the Jew!
That is why he won't be abandoned. Have you forgotten already (((who))) got us into all this shit in the first place???? the (((migration))) crisis????
fuck americans are stupid. Hitler is taking nothing from pro-white movement. Pro-white is a parallel movement. Defeating the Jew is the final fucking solution
when did you grow out of having your "when did you grow out of X" shitposts saged?
>not yet
THe worst thing about nupol is how unoriginal you faggots are. Same shitposts all day every day, how is that entertaining?
Since my other thread is presumably gassed:
shut up sqhitptar
>implying this matters
NatSoc post WW2 is just an edgy cult. I actually agree with a lot of shit Hitler said, but I'm not going to be stupid enough to call myself a National Socialist, or to think that everyone who doesn't love Hitler is just a cuck.
That's moronic thinking.
>Hitler is not just a symbol of nationalism, but of the struggle against the Jew!
When you Nazi Jews win, because most people hate him. This is reality. Most Whites will sympathize with Jews, the more you bring up Hitler.
Don't like it? Find another reality.
Pretty stoked that someone is not this retarded. I'm at the point where I know maybe 30 alt right people irl and some big people in the movement and I couldn't reconcile being as well adjusted as I am and hanging out with some these fuckers and trying to get them to not only use their head but be sociable and chill. I can't imaging how it would feel for them to be confronted with the fact that hierarchy is occurring within the alt right..
Yes forum sliding yes false consensus yes yes yes user...
Difference is Churchill was actually a genocidal fuck, Hitler wasn't.
Your gay
>The occasional Nazi joke is fine but this constant talk about Hitler and Jews just makes you sound fucking insane to normal people. We have to break the stereotype that pro-White = wild eyes Neo Nazi who wants to kill 6 million Jews.
Irony is, Hitler wasn't a white supremicist at all
Sure I sound crazy.
But am I wrong to assume a race of people that were systematically exterminated, and kicked out of foreign countries time and time again are somehow just good people with a run of bad luck?
The only people in the history to have a specific term for prejudice against them.
It makes so much sense. control the thoughts and money of a people. Label anyone who disagrees or speaks I'll of your people as nazis.
Something don't add up. Without the centralized banks, the German people gained freedom.
Work will set you free?
Actually creating with your hands instead of taking from everyone else will free you?
Idk. Call me crazy. But the Jewish conspiracy is hands down the best one I've seen. Americans have been preached to that the Muslim people are the fucking devil. Since 2001. what do I know. I'm a neck bearded basement dweller who will never contribute to society. We deserve financial enslavement. We let it happen.
I accept it because we are powerless. They've created a fail safe system of power for themselves. Anyone who questions it is wrong.
Hitler was never a white nationalist, learn history you spastic. There was black and Indian SS armies.
Unfortunately some of these people just want to larp as edgelords and don't want to grow the movement. They like being offensive rebels to normal people.
They don't realize they're just aiding anti-Whites. I was banned from the shitty TRS forum for voicing this opinion, too much.
The AltRight is better than the 1990s/2000 WNist scene but it still has a lot of growing to do.
We have to gas the natsocs, once and for all.
Doesn't matter if Hitler was good or bad, or if Churchill was good or bad.
What matters is that you sound like a crazy fuck to 99% of your White British countrymen when you say anything positive about Hitler.
Not smart, bud.
I don't like Jews, I want people to be suspicious of Jewry but also you need to do it right.
Be like "Jews have supported extreme and destructive causes and used their Jewishness as an excuse for it, tragic" then quote Jews agreeing with that. = smart propaganda
Don't be like "Jews are evil parasites kicked out of every nation blah blah blah"
Even if you're correct to a degree, the ALL IMPORTANT THING is coming off as normal, smart and sane to our people.
White identity is rising and it has FUCKALL to do with Hitler. Hitler is an anti-White bogeyman.
You're an idiot. If your movement is going so well why come here and start a thread calling for "correction" of speech
God, that was the worst time for Stormfront. I'll follow you and subscribe.
Hitler is a symbol of things that failed, and you can't even read between the lines of when people are referring to Jews and when they aren't. Like I said, plenty of pro-white right wing groups are making progress without appeasing Jewry to a large extent, while yours is stagnant. I'm not saying Hitler was wrong. What I'm saying is its dead, and the propaganda campaign against it is too far gone outside of memes, and you're subscribing to a movement that virtually alienates all pro-white though you deem lesser. You aren't going to get anywhere that way, and the proof there is that you haven't. There's a new way to do this without imagery of things long dead. It's the future that matters.
Shut up albanian OP is pretty much dead on.
you're willing to shill to grow your movement. So I don't care how righteous it is. Fuck off. I won't water down my views to comfort normies. I'm not trying to get elected for anything, I have nothing to gain
No I'm calling for smart propaganda because I want White people to take their own side. I believe in my people. I think that constantly bringing Hitler up just makes the antiwhite cunts look right.
Stop helping them.
IRL most white nationalists don't seem to be super into hitler. Many just like trump. The tide is turning.
Everyone ever in the history of politics "shilled" if you want to call it that. Politics is the art of appealing to people. We can't force Whites to support us. They're our people. We have to give them good reasons and good arguments.
Hitler is just going to confuse them and make them think you're insane. That's reality, man. Sorry.
Would like any more info you have since I haven't met irl WN yet
I'm a sociable guy so once I have a few drinks with some people at a party at one point i'll be smoking outside with some guy or something. Very quickly we talk politics and both realize that BLM is shit, that there are too many illegals, and that Trump is gonna make things decent again atleast culturally. At some point we get into the whole "white people invented the internet, tv, modern medicine" etc and at no point have I got the indication they were pro-hitler. They might not be active nationalists since they're just guys who are a bit drunk but still you have a sense that the alt-right and trump has had a serious effect on racial consciousness.
This guy says exactly what you're saying
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great video
he says we shouldn't talk about saving the white race, which I don't agree with.
We need to appeal to them first before we hit them with the "save our people" stuff though. He has a point. Though not everything he says is right, imho.
this is exactly how the clintons operate.
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You just need to be really careful in how you deliver it
I think 'white race' is too broad of a term and should be more relatable to people like 'the british people' etc
His point about the skinheads was spot on. Everything falls into disrepute when you allow these elements into the movement, and I think all of our countries have seen that happen. It's a fringe, not an every man's deal.
just talk about "our people"
tribal identity is instinctual and once it gets going it's a juggernaut. point out everything anti white and show people anti white crazies
this gets the tribal blood flowing
believing that you need to tell the people only what they want to hear.
Who are these not-see people and why are they goin' blind, right guys?
no Hitler did it too, everyone in politics ever
politics only works if you're able to get people on your side, this is so obvious. omfg
I respond to that in the same way I respond to people who think everything 30's Germany is just something to harp on. Nazi's breathed air, should that be something to take a stand against?
At any rate, it's not much different from your average Sup Forumsock supporting the slow red pill. Its not telling people what they want to here it, it's presenting your case in a way that's digestible.
This is how we pick up steam with regular people. I remember how excited this place was to be dropped in the middle of it for massive redpilling in their own sly way. Being digestible, not too soft as to not push the limit, but not sperging out either, has done more good than I believed possible.
it's not about nazis. good arguments of any kind should stand on their own merits
you stole my joke ya fucken piece of garbage
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I don't use arguments that aren't true. I don't see what you're getting at.
t. Cuck
You're about as White nationalist as BLM.