Voltron Legendary Defender

So are we 100% sure at this point this guy is a clone and not the real Shiro, while the one in Season 1 and 2 is the real thing or at least a different individual from the one in Season 3?

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twitter.com/misspoofles/status/900435146725183489
youtube.com/watch?v=pXth84G7dkM&feature=youtu.be
amp.denofgeek.com/us/tv/voltron/267022/how-voltron-plans-to-appeal-to-its-female-fanbase
m.youtube.com/watch?v=od3cjyHctjo
twitter.com/AnonBabble

We know nothing, we never did.

denofgeek.com/us/tv/voltron/267024/voltron-why-did-shiro-return-so-quickly

Also after reading this article, does Shiro actually sell that much merch? From what I know of this show's production Season 3 was probably actually written about a year ago, back when Season 1 was just coming out, and AFAIK actual merch for this show didn't come out until a while later, especially Shiro figures.

Just how much control over this show do Montgomery and Dos Santos actually have? I thought one of the advantages of having this show on Netflix was that they had more freedom to do what they wanted with the story since it was less dependent on things like toy sales and immediate viewership numbers compared to network shows.

Actually after rereading the article I guess it confirms whatever happened to Shiro at the end of Season 2 didn't kill him, at least not permanently, and that he was definitely going to come back to the team. So no astral plane shenanigans, and probably no clone subplots either. Shame because as far as Voltron plots go the possible clone stuff is definitely hooking me harder than a lot of the other stuff in the show.

twitter.com/misspoofles/status/900435146725183489

So yeah even before we were worried about season 2, they were already changing things for Shiro.

Maybe the execs anticipated his popularity?

why is purple man so blury

Kek.
Needs one with Keith as the checked out girl, Allura was the cheater, and Lotor as the cucked girl.

People were already speculating about clone subplots when season 1 came out so they could've always planned for it and just repurposed a preexisting idea for an earlier season. Only thing is how it throws off the rest of the team and led to a more slapdash reunion.

Friendly reminder that it's been confirmed that Eddie Vedder recorded a song that plays during the Voltron finale. It confirms the real Shiro never comes back. (Pic is Kuron)
Listen youtube.com/watch?v=pXth84G7dkM&feature=youtu.be

>Just how much control over this show do Montgomery and Dos Santos actually have?
They're playing in a sand box. Voltron is not a original show like Avatar or Korra. Yes Lauren and Santos write the story but in the end, DW has to approve of what's written in it. It probably played out like this
>Santos gives the executives the outline to how they'll handle the story
>The executives sees that Shiro won't return for a long time
>They tell Santos to bring Shiro back early
>Santos says OK but why?
>Explain that they'll have Voltron figures for the children and want the paladins to be present in the show
Voltron is not Lauren and Does Santos 'baby.' They just got selected to reboot it along with StudioMir.
>Also after reading this article, does Shiro actually sell that much merch?
We won't ever know, which lions kids buy is never posted. The older fandom prefer Lance so he's the popular one amongst our demographic.

>Who VLD execs want you to write about
>You
>The new storylines you actually want to tell

>The older fandom prefer Lance so he's the popular one amongst our demographic

When you say older who exactly do you mean? Because the older folks that grew up with Voltron don't all like Lance.

>The older fandom prefer Lance so he's the popular one amongst our demographic.
Really? I thought Sven was super popular. Neither Takashi or Ryou had a lot to do in Golion but he made enough of an impression on the original viewers that they gave him a whole bunch of original storylines in the third season even though he wasn't even a pilot anymore.

Original viewers don't know about Ryou or Quiet, at least not in the way they knew Sven.

So in light of them originally planning for Shiro to be gone for most of the series, but the suits wanting him to stick around, the clone plotline is the writers' idea of a workaround. Makes sense, it's not that they wanted but they get to eat their cake and have it too with Kuron.

When is Romelle going to show up? Did they say?

Teenagers, young adults, and adults. At cons there are a lot of Lance lovers and cosplayers, most interviewers let Lauren and Santos know that Lance is their favorite. Lance is Mitch Iverson, Tim Hendrick, Barlee, and Santos's favorite. Lance is the fandoms bicycle and his ships have the most notes/retweets out of any ship that doesn't involve him. Lance is everywhere on social media to the point where anons here even complain about it. I don't think I should mention how crazy the fandom got on his birthday.

Believe it or not user, anyone who doesn't like Lance are the minority.

I suppose I am that minority then. I still like DotU Lance better than VLD's.

Sorry for the confusion, by older fandom I mean the viewers who are not the targeted 6-13 year olds.

>I thought one of the advantages of having this show on Netflix was that they had more freedom to do what they wanted with the story since it was less dependent on things like toy sales and immediate viewership numbers compared to network shows.
More freedom ≠ absolute freedom. Just because they are able to push things a bit w/r/t the show's rating and explore themes that wouldn't necessarily fly on cable, doesn't mean they can do whatever the fuck with an IP they don't even own.

A lot of those are teenage girls, and they don't really care about the merch, they just want to self-insert as him in fanfiction. Not the oldfags, who I don't know how they feel about the original pilots but while Lance was probably popular I don't think the execs would've considered him a deal maker.
Same, he's my fave of the original five. Sven is great but he's not in it nearly enough.

I wonder how deep it impacts the plot, since it wasn't part of their original vision, but was also decided on relatively early in development. I hope it's not treated as a stopgap thing as it's one of the most interesting aspects of the plot so far.

>I don't think the execs would've considered him a deal maker.
They'll just keep it into consideration when making merch. We're dollar signs to these people, while the children keep them afloat.

I thought they were going to release merch that was geared towards "older" views, i.e. lion slippers. I want them in every color.

Aren't cartoon execs usually infamous for only focusing on young boys and ignoring the teenage female demographics because, whether it's a chicken or egg problem, they usually aren't the ones considered responsible for buying the toys or other merch these guys profit off of.
Unless there's a forward-thinking employee who decides to force Lauren to shoehorn a subplot where Lance is transformed into an Altean in the last season so they make millions of Tumblrbux off of selling cosplay kits for it.

There's some stuff from as far back as S1 that seems to gel with the clone theory, so it seems pretty well integrated. Joachim seemed pretty candid in that interview so I wonder what other things they really wanted but had to leave on the cutting room floor.

Plot stuff I couldn't even begin to speculate about, but I'd put a dollar on them asking to have more blatant homos and getting shut down

Kek, the lion slippers was a guess. They said they were planning on making more women merch so expect Voltron women sized shirts, novels, necklaces, or towels. If we're lucky we'll get the slippers considering there's a Voltron snuggie in the store.

Friendly reminder that Kuron is literally best boy in the entire series and always will be

>amp.denofgeek.com/us/tv/voltron/267022/how-voltron-plans-to-appeal-to-its-female-fanbase
m.youtube.com/watch?v=od3cjyHctjo

well, i hope they do make slippers for those snuggies.

fuck Kuron, kuronfag! you're lucky that josh said that he wants all Shiro's to be respected.

I can't go against his comment since he obviously cares for the human toilet Kuron.

I just finished re-watching season 2 and I noticed the animation quality was all over the place. Why is that complaint only for season 3?

>It felt very strange and out of place for a show that had been so well paced up to that point.

Are there people out there that seriously think this? Also, from what I've seen, the reception for S3 has been largely positive (it was honestly the one to finally get me invested in this show when I was just a casual viewer before), yet this article makes it sound like it was the blunder of the century. And I'm not a batshit Shirofag or anything, but I found episode 5 in particular to be one of the most stunning episodes the show has had so far.

He's literally this show's Poochie

I'd lay down cash for some cute slippers and a nice keychain/phone charm or some shit

>We’re not just a show about punching and kicking and lasers and all that stuff. We do some real character building

lol no they don't. Dos Santos seems a little up his own ass.

The pacing for episode 5 in isolation was fantastic, but it was an island in a sea of rushed pacing. The first three episodes pushed the lion switch too quickly, even though they tried their best to justify it, and the reunion also got glossed over given all the angst over Shiro being gone in the first episode.

If Poochie were a beautiful maiden in need of love and protecting, maybe.

Pidge a qt

People have pretty wildly varying opinions on stuff or just change their opinion about things after a while. It's almost consensus around here that S2 had terrible pacing but I didn't feel that way about the season at all when I watched it.

>Haggar/Kuron is now a thing

This is getting a little weird

Yeah the pacing is already probably the biggest issue I've had with the show since the beginning. Intro episode of season 1 was very rushed, Balmera episodes went on way too long. I don't remember that much about Season 2's pacing but the Balmera stuff dragged on too much for a reveal we already knew was going to happen.

But Poochie wasn't moe.

S2 had a lot of filler, the pacing for S1 was shit IMO.

Nothing weird about taking on the image of your favorite experiment to fuck your favorite experiment's clone that you probably had a hand in creating.

All I know about this show comes from one of my friends who watched it and now spams nonstop gay porn on twitter.

Is my general understanding correct?

Individual episode pacing of S2 wasn't too bad for the most part but in hindsight to the more tightly focused S3 a lot of it was unnecessary padding and plot couponing that could've been combined into a single episode. The Lance/Hunk mermaid episode should've been folded back into the first one, the Olkari one could've been joined with one of the other episodes like the weblum or giant waterbears, and all the teludav stuff could've been combined into one episode. While having episodes that focused on the paladins actually interacting with each other. Although I'm going to insist on leaving Space Mall alone because that had some good character moments.

You know the my little pony brony culture where they take the kids show too seriously? It's basically that. Voltron is a good show, just stay away from the fandom and these threads.

>Believe it or not user, anyone who doesn't like Lance are the minority.
I disliked Lance for basically tumblr reasons(annoying loser who keeps going after girls who don't like him) and was honestly surprised to see all the love he got from that crowd anyway. I've warmed up to him by now but the only thing I like about him is that the show pokes fun at him a lot.

>The first three episodes pushed the lion switch too quickly,
it felt fine to me, I thought the lions forcing the switches to take place in the middle of a heated battle was a good choice narratively to speed things along. three episodes was half of our mini-season so I'm glad it didn't drag out more.
personally I think one of the biggest issues with the pacing is there's no real sense of how much time is passing between each episode. Josh Keaton mentioned that it could have been "months" between the ending of S2 and the start of S3, and having no indication of that and leaving it ambiguous just throws things off for me.

Before I watched this show I was exposed to a lot fanon stuff so I thought Shiro and Keith were literal brothers, Allura was the mom who gave birth to everyone, Pidge was canonically trans or gay, and Lance was the protagonist.

This show's worst and most consistent issue is with pacing. It zooms through moments that could be poignant, moments of characters experiencing some emotional depth, while lingering too long on needless filler or making time for lame quips/juvenile humor. I'm not sure if they'll ever fix this or if it's been brought to Lauren/Joaquim's attention. Articles or reviews like that state the show has great pacing probably don't help.

>Believe it or not user, anyone who doesn't like Lance are the minority.

I don't know how. I'm more than familiar with his character archetype, and usually I like them, but he is fucking insufferable.

>When asked why the series attracts this level of passion from women, co-executive producer Lauren Montgomery delightfully observes, “they have good taste.”

Fanon made me think Shiro and Keith were related too. I also thought Keith was canonically gay, Allura was a lesbian, and Lance was bisexual. So I thought "No wonder everyone is obsessed with this show and ship Klance so much".

The loudest parts of the fandom are pretty wildly disassociated from the actual show. So no, it is not a gay porn cartoon.

How this fandom managed to become such a fucking nightmare of trash in record time is still baffling to me. Even in June, the month it was released, it became instant garbage.

It's not Netflix so much as Dreamworks. Netflix probably doesn't give a frogs fat ass about the toy side of it, so long as the ratings are good and they keep getting subscriptions. This all sounds like Dreamworks stepping in.

Funnily enough, the show has absolutely no gay implications at all. Not even any romance, period.

>ywn get creative control of a reboot of one of your beloved childhood franchises
>ywn then mold the cast into your perfect harem of 2D fuckbois
Is Lauren living The Dream?

>this article was posted recently
>after all the bullshit going down with Bex to the piont she was talking about how the staff is aware and sick of the fandom's bullshit

>How Voltron Plans To Appeal To Its Female Fanbase

The answer is fujobait. That's all you fucking need.

It has a diverse cast of mostly boys, so it attracted tumblr, fujoshits, and an unholy combination of both.

Well the two twinks are pretty shit, but I like everyone else

True, true. Fujobait is what made Gundam Wing the mess that it was.

>top left and middle Shiros are identical
>"rough" Shiro isn't "the Shiro I want to see"
boo

Would it be fair to call the VLD the Gundam Wing of this generation?

I hope Kuron turns out to be an android.

I don't care about shipping, just give me more Pidge and the others being all cool and shit, and better mecha fights, interspersed with dat meaty Shiro plot.

My first exposure to Voltron was because this OPM artist I was following posted Shiro with the caption 'Space dad.' I saw Voltron again in /cm/ and asked the anons there if it was a good show and that I really liked the white haired characters design. They quickly told me his name was Shiro, but even then I was wary of Voltron because it was made by the Legend of Korra people and I just knew because of that it would've had a huge tumblr following. During those times I considered tumblr to be pure cancer, it still is.

At least GW had a lot of homolust between Quatre and Trowa (Duo/Heero will never make sense) to kind of justify the fujobait audience, but Voltron has fucking nothing. I can't think of an equivalent series that has the same level of insane fujoshit audience while having no homolust at all.

For its faults Wing had Treize and some of the most uniformly awesome mecha designs in all of Gundam to the point even the fucking Leos looked amazing so no.

At least the small twink has the strong personality + physical ability, and the tall lanky twink is the emotionally insecure one. Variety!

I'm really looking forward to more of Lotor's freaky comet ship(s), it looked kind of stupid on its own but I loved the way it moved

I watched this show because of the Avatar staff, being a big MMPRfag and liking what I remembered of the original Voltron, and being a big fag for the Winter Soldier since the original Brubaker days which Shiro reminded me of. Kinda funny how I ended up liking Shiro in his own right, probably even more than Bucky, before the actual Winter Soldier plotlines really started kicking in.

I guess some of the official art was pretty gay. But yeah, definitely much more than VLD. I think it's just because of the Korrasami entitlement.

My first exposure to Voltron was seeing Shiro art everywhere too. I'm glad he's starting to get new fanart again, guess the well dried up for a while there because he was absent from the show.

wing is what got me hooked on the fujo life and got me into /m/shit but looking back the robots really were the best part of the show
>needing canon bait
this is for weak, low-level fujos

The Bryke curse is going to chase the staff around for the rest of their careers.

>Korrasami entitlement.
It is exactly this. If Bryke weren't such sellout hacks then the shippers wouldn't be this bad. LoK was a mistake. It should never have existed.

>all this b8ing official art
>Duo ends up knocking up Hilde
>Heero ends up with Relena

1x2 fags were trolled so good.

>Korrasami entitlement.
2bh this kind of ship-related entitlement always existed, Korrasami just made the homo-wanters bold enough to join in.

>wing is what got me hooked on the fujo life

What was your favorite ship user?

>needing canon bait

Man, you need SOMETHING beyond "omg they looked at each other it's sooooo canon, this show is so gay!! XDD". Voltron has bupkiss.

the first fanfic I ever read was 3x4, but eventually I evolved into a 1x4 and 2x5fag

That's what I meant. They also think that because VLD shares the same staff with LoK then Klance will happen.

I hope you realize I was talking about the S1 days. During those times Shiro art wasn't dwarfed by Lance. Im guessing user here got exposed to Klance.

Please, even with Dreamworks' fuckery I'm hoping the writers make a G Gundam out of this and use it as an excuse to launch into some Ghost in the Shell-level shit.

So Kuron, so calm, so oil on a fire, he's so good he's so good he's so good.

Someone needs to redraw this with Keith and Lance. It will match up so perfectly.

Sometimes fabricating the circumstances of a completely insane crackship is a big part of the fun. Lance/Colleen still puts a fucking smile on my face when I think about.

Hilde was a cute. Quatre was my husbando but Duo was my actual fave, I'm glad best boy ended up with best girl.

They got divorced, user.

>So Kuron, so calm, so oil on a fire, he's so good he's so good he's so good
>Kuronfag openly fapping

I never paid attention to me so most of the homolust in the show went completely over my head, aside from noticing Quatre acting a bit weird after Trowa's amnesia.
Isn't that from Frozen Teardrop? That shit is fanfic-tier.

Is that Josh Keaton? Sauce?

>splitting up 3x4

Kill yourself.

>I hope you realize I was talking about the S1 days.

So was I.

>user can't smell the lithium now
It's something humans do~

>When I was a child, I spoke and thought and reasoned as a child. But when I grew up, I put away childish things.

Frozen Teardrop may seem fanfic-tier, but it is still official and canon.

gotta appreciate the kitty