I wanna talk about the Russian and American economies

I wanna talk about the Russian and American economies.

USA is currently number 1 in GDP. The dollar is a higher valued currency and the average American can have more luxury than the average Russian.

Russia right now has a GDP somewhere between 1.3 to 2 trillion $. I am not exactly sure what it is since the rubble got devalued from 20/30 rubles to 1$ now 70/80 rubles to 1$. The biggest Chinese bank ranked Russia 4th world economy in terms of GDP while the west ranks Russia 10th in its current state.

Anyway

US national debt is 19,643,000,000,000

Russia's debt is 599,819,000,000

And for comparison to show how small Russia's debt actually is


The Netherlands debt is 2,526,895,000,000$

Now the debt of the US is 114% of their GDP.

The debt of the Russians is 23% of their GDP

With the elections of the US coming I heard about the new 8 to 10 trillion dollars both Trump and Hillary will add to their national debt.

When will the debt in the US be too big to maintain? I mean at the moment the US economy is clearly healthier than russia's but meanwhile Russia has been slowly paying of there debt over the years.

Will there be a time in the US where the debt will have so much influence on the American citizens?? Like there is not enough money left to pay the help for the elderly from pensions.

I heard Russia will get a big economic boost near 2050 when the resources start getting used up and China is sure to surpass the US GDP.


I just wonder if this debt could actually make the US fall the same way like the Soviet union fell

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I'm curios about this too. Anyone? I even heard that american debt doesn't matter, since they owe it mostly to themselves.

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The Russians defaulted on their debt in 1998. The US never did.

The reason why Western countries can accumulate so much debt in the first place is because creditors trust them.

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Debt in a fiat currency you can print can be gone in a few keystrokes. What's important is your credit worthiness, your level of autarky and your surplus of trade goods. With a sufficient level of autarky and/or surplus you don't even need credit worthiness.

This is for instance true for Japan, their outstanding government debt is the ultimate proof that in and of itself it means fuck all. Because the debt is internal and they are in trade balance.

The US is special, because their military power and protection racket isn't something which shows up on normal economic indicators.

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we own the currency somehow the petro dollar will keep our debt sustainable until someone decides they want something of value instead of paper thats more valuable as kindling than money.

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There is a thing about American debt that most people (even most Americans) don't know.

First the usual rule is that debt isn't that important but the ratio between GDP and debt, but America is currently reaching levels that would be "problematic" for smaller nations, as a rule of thumb even for industrilized nations, reaching a 110% of the GDP in debt means problems, from small ones as paying more interest in future debt to possible economic recessions and more.

Now the issue with debt is that for America is REALLY cheap, so cheap that usually America in certain cases IS PAID to get into debt with others, But also some government agencies can only buy AAA bonds, usually the American ones are the more "secure" so the government does ended up loaning money to themselves a lot of the time.

Debt is an interesting topic, I could answer some doubts you may have.

Not economist at all.

Debt on itself is not realy a problem, but interest on loans. countries do not take loans as citizens but they take loans as bonds. china and russia re the biggestk? buyers of usa bonds. Buying bonds makes dollar high, so china is more competative. so baisicly russia and loaning usa and they will do it as long it is inbtheir interes.

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>I heard Russia will get a big economic boost near 2050 when the resources start getting used up and China is sure to surpass the US GDP.

If Russia and China were forced into a close alliance by the US they could probably rival the US in a couple of decades.

Russia has natural resources to rival the US, and decent human resources (unfortunately all depressed alcoholics). China has manufacturing resources to rival the US and decent human resources (unfortunately all soulless automatons).

But when will it be the limit? When is it going to have negative impact?

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1..2..3... Ah I see. But can the US get ever out of their debt?


What happens when the Chinese currency (yuan?) or any other nations currency overtakes the Petro dollar. Like if the BRICS start using another currency instead of the Petro dollar followed by other nations

Yes a few. All Japanese tho.

When will it be problematic? Since economists say both Hillary's and Trumps plan will great a bigger debt.

What if they drop the Petro dollar at one point to fight American influence

I can see this happening which is why I wonder if the US ever gets out of debt

They are trying to create a new currency among themselves and have done so for quite a while. It is obvious that both are starting to work on a doomday scenario if the US dollar when nuclear both would be on a better place than if the dollar went to collapse on its own now.

Though I don't see that happening, the US will never allow that and will basically go to war against the 2 of them without second thoughts. I am certain that is Shilldog plan, otherwise I truly don't understand Shilldog rhetoric otherwise. The worse part is that media is helping sell the image of a new cold war already.

>an army of depressed drunks and soulless automatons

Accurate

>But when will it be the limit? When is it going to have negative impact?

When creditors stop to buy Treasury bonds.
Currently, they are even paying to hold bonds, so no such thing is on the horizon.

Both the Yuan and (especially) the Ruble are heavily backed by Dollar reserves.

>When will the debt in the US be too big to maintain?

No one could possibly know the answer to this, but I'm willing to bet it will happen in my lifetime.

>Will there be a time in the US where the debt will have so much influence on the American citizens??

No, US is rapidly filling up with r-selected types that do not care one bit about the future, but the here and now. They don't understand the concept of debt and just want more free shit. They are completely unaware that our children and grandchildren will inherit a society of complete social and economic collapse.

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>) or any other nations currency overtakes the Petro dollar.

we label them as terrorists user and then we destroy their regime. remember all those wars we've had recently? where we did that?

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The debt is theoretically too big to maintain when the debtor country is unable to make interest payments on loans.

When, specifically, that will happen for the USA is anyone's guess, but it probably won't be for a long while

>I just wonder if this debt could actually make the US fall the same way like the Soviet union fell

The US dollar is the global standard per the Bretton Woods agreement. For example, oil transactions are settled in US dollars. Another globally accepted currency would need to take place before the US dollar fell into disfavor.

Given the USA is the strongest country, on the planet, the US dollar will remain the coin of the realm.

tldr the USA would have to fall before the US dollar does

All currencies are. The thing is that most western nations either back themselves with dollars or Euros while China has beeing buying Gold for years and started to also buy Rubbles and Russia has done the same with Yuans.

While we don't know the current ratio of money backed by the Chinese with Gold/u$s/Rubles/etc we can be certain that China/Russia have been in talks with several nations over the years to have them take Yuans as reserve currency.

I can speak with experience since the argie government some years ago took a heavy investment in Yuans as to be part of their reserves.

And such agreements have been going on for a while WW and their only motive for them is to basically start a currency war. Shit China and Russia also agree to trade among themselves with rubles and yuans ditching the dollar completely.

America will take the world to war for this against Russia/China and their allies, make no mistake about it,

The consensus I'm getting is that a war with Russia and subsequent victory would boost the USA's economy tremendously? (Assuming no Armageddon)

Is that likely to happen at some point during our life time?

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I really feel like the baby boomers generation fucked us over in alot of ways. Debt, economic crisises and immigrants and now it is up to our generation 18/35 to change the tie if we do not the next 2 generations will be fucked even more
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Yeah I know that. Libya and Iraq but when bigger nations start doing it the US can't play the "terrorist" card.

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Can you guys make it smaller by paying off your debt?

Yeah but the BRICS are working on that. Didn't they also create the biggest bank of the world? I mean they sure are cooperating in overtaking the US and kicking your influence out of their nations.

>I just wonder if this debt could actually make the US fall the same way like the Soviet union fell

Naw since the us still got world war debts it never paid. The US can essentially say naw and forego paying its debts if it needs to . They just arent since American money being fiat shit they just keeping the trust in it for as long as possible.

>US can't play the "terrorist" card.
we're literally doing that with russia right now.

>Yeah I know that. Libya and Iraq but when bigger nations start doing it the US can't play the "terrorist" card.

Yeah pretty much, Iraq wanted to sell their oil in Euroes and then got ass raped because "9/11" and then because "Democracy fuck yeah!" and Lybia the same, they wanted to create a global gold reserve currency for the northern african union and now the zone is basically in civil war.

This is why Russia and China are being portrayed as evil by the Shilldog and her rhetoric and media. They are basically creating consensus to send people to die to defend their empire.

>will it happen in our lifetime?
Probably not. The US will go to war if a foreign country is threatening action that could tank our economy. We have gone to war for much less, and protecting the economy is something you can rally the entire country on.

Ok we are going into predicions, which I m not fond of.

But basicly, like I have said, they will buy as long they will have interest in buying. When they will not have interest?

Well my prediction is, that USA will either need to print even more dollars, which will make dollar to lose value and make USA more competative but this will result in more expensive imports, which will hurt domestic consumption of imported goods hence Chinese exporters and then they will stop expoting to usa and buying bonds. Chinese know that this will happen, so they are prepeing other markets (africa).

The Bretton Woods agreement hasn't been in place since 1971.

Oil transactions are now taking place with other currencies, namely the Yuan and Ruble.

The source of US power is financial power, not military power. The military power came much later, and in all honesty, Americans are shit at war and only win because of material advantage. Most of the US Empire is soft power after all.

A good example is the Philippines: if America had direct control over the flips then the current President would be out.

The United States is one last major financial collapse away from being the Spanish Empire circa 1900.

Why would you rather die defending your banking cartel and elite that try to find a way to make both nations work together and that your elites share the spoils of basically looting every single person on the planet with the Chinese and Russian elites?

>Is that likely to happen at some point during our life time?

No clue, since my life time left is (hopefully!) around 60 years. No one can predict that far.

Half of it is owned to the FED. the government gets all the profits the FED makes, so half of the interest they are paying to their debt is going back to the government. Essentially if the USA makes debt they are printing money, but as long as there are countries like China who want to bunker trillions of dollars the USA can print trillions of dollars without a problem.

When the US loses superpower status, her citizens will become like slaves working to pay off their debtors. As long as we are running the show, we're either doing small favors for vassal states or running management deals.

The US is like Mr Gadsby in a lot of ways.

China and Russia would act in a coalition if war was ever to break out because they'd know they would be next.

America can win on a one front war, it can't win a two front war. It's no longer the manufacturing giant of the world.

And how is it working out? Putin will always be a step ahead. Although we do get some anti-Russian propaganda we don't believe the US as source not even on the news.

Hmm only time can tell.

It sucks to be on the villain side sometimes. Although I don't like most shitty mudslime nations what we are doing and supporting US policy in the middle-east is just obviously wrong.

Well with all those liberals I doubt it unless you have a pearl harbor 2.0. I don't see most Americans supporting another war when the US main soil is unhurt

I think the US might start another war to save their economy like some other user said but not with China or Russia. Just another ME nation again
How old user?

That is false, the US Government only owns like 15% of the FED. Look it up.

>And how is it working out?
if we get another american leader in the white house we'll go to war with russia.

if not then we'll stop calling them terrorists

>phillipino memer
Notice how fast he backtracked when he got back from China? He is portraying more power than he actually has.
>trading oil for other currencies
That doesn't matter at this point. With Shale oil surviving the glut, the US is in a position to be a major world supplier of oil. With that, and the expansive reserve program the fed has been doing, the US could stabilize the dollar against such threat.

Petrodollar is purplepill, look at PNAC and Clean Break.
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It's not so much that China wants to hold trillions in USD, it's that they have to as long as the US is their major export market. As someone else pointed out, they've been buying physical gold (lots of it) with some of those USD as a long term strategy. Meanwhile, those of us whose countries are run at the behest of the (((globalists))) have sold all of our gold reserves. We're all in, but our cards are shit.

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>US national debt is 19,643,000,000,000
State debt.
>Russia's debt is 599,819,000,000
total debt is 440 bln for now and state debt is only 40bln.
Total USA debt is unknown, but more 60trl.

Why would I want to work with people who very openly are planning my demise? They might have good reason, but I'm not going to play a hand in the death of my economy.

>Oil transactions are now taking place with other currencies, namely the Yuan and Ruble.

That is true only between Russia and China. While that IS a significant amount for the size of both, they are still a fraction of the global sales that are still mostly done in u$s.

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The issue is that your (personal) economy will be affected if you worked together with say Russia/China, but it will marginally get worse, it will not really suffer from Russia/China playing a major role as a Global economy player and or their currency.

At worse you will have to plan savings in other currencies than u$s because of better returns and suffer from inflation periods. but it will certainly don't matter as much to you.

Meanwhile for the people that are in actual control does mean a giant lose of power and income, and this people are not the ones that are going to die to avoid that lost, they will send you and your family and love ones. Send to die for a cause that is not even yours as you want to believe.

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Doesn't sound too bright.

Did I use old numbers?

How is the ruble doing. I got 2 Russian friends 1 in st.Petersburg from a wealth family so he doesn't feel much but the other student in krasnodar has it a bit more rough.

Even a China/Russia coalition couldn't defeat America/UN/NATO unfortunately.

You're right, the US can't fight 2 fronts but who's to say that after defeating Russia in Europe they don't shift all focus to stopping """Chinese oppression""" in SE Asia?

WW3 will be bloody and we are gonna cop it, but the (((US))) will pull through and establish a One World Government.

At least that's what my tinfoil hat thinks lmao

I find hilarious that all of this are jap girls. I wonder if it has to do with something greater in their society about how kids are behaving in general that triggers the girls to basically act this way. ummm seems like an interesting research material for the study of the decline of japanese birth rates.

> girls fucking each other

This is all a product of feminist sex regulation laws. In earlier times these girls (when they were very young - starting in elementary school age) would have been fucked long, hard, and regularly by family members and family friends. The result is these girls would have entered teenage years sexually satiated and fulfilled, not climbing the wall thirsty for their first cock.

This wisdom parallells enlightened cultures (e.g., France, Spain) who let their children, starting at very young ages, sip wine and other bits of alcohol. The result: when the kids grow up they do not go crazy and get shit faced drunk upon turning 18 or 21 (like teenagers do the in USA).

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> lower birth rates

All the result of sex regulation. Just like business regulations can retard economic activity, sexual regulation laws act the same.

The natural condition is for the human population to grow explosively. You see this in 3rd world countries (i.e., countries without sexual regulation of any kind). High population growth rates.

>Did I use old numbers?
Yep, during sanctions debt decreased from 750bln to 440.
>How is the ruble doing
Hold still near 65, as the goverment sad.
Every thing is fine. New videocard cost now much more, but it's not so bad.
Real burst of Russia will start in 2040, with a new era of information.

I also think it has something to do with in Japan nudity is not much of a problem if you're same sex and this is an all girl school so they probably have never hold hands with a boy and maybe this is their only way
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Japan has low fertility rates because women either don't want to leave work to raise a child or because they can't afford to do so.

Remember even the males income is not high enough to support children in Japan. The cost of living is ridiculous and they work insane hours (coming home at 11pm in some cases).

Rural areas have suffered as everybody left for work in the city, now elderly people are left in towns with no support and no future generation.

And the best part? The Japanese people are too busy working to realise how dire the situation is.

In the end it will either be die by bullet or die by starvation. This scenario is only in the worse case of course.

Realistically the dollar will ride on oil for at least another century, and I say this with the current oil industry in mind. North American oil reserves are massive and NA is much more peaceful than the other oil sectors of the world. Peace means stability, which translates directly from oil to the dollar.

As for (((them))), they have shown time and time again that they cannot steer the massive US economy, no matter what they say. (((They))) could ditch and run, and the economy would survive.

The US economy is very robust and diverse, which is what (((they))) are trying to change by turning the US into a financial giant, and subsequently ignoring things like manufacturing and oil and such. At times even purposely sabotaging other sub-economies.
The US being so economically diverse is a big issue for globalist, mainly because the US doesn't have to rely on any foreign interest to keep things rolling if it has very strong domestic economies. If you break the domestic economy, you open the US to be dominated by others, and of course that is what (((they))) want.

I hope Russia personally gets more powerful. So maybe one day we could have a United Europe in economy and strength but not politics.

As I read about that Russian economic boom it would be as big to put Russia behind US and China but very close to them too surpassing pretty much every major European economy.

I hope the ruble soon goes back to 20/30 rubles= 1$ and we can lift the sanctions bro

It is realy a guessing game. We must bear in mind, that USA is not single mind collective, but a collection of interests of different groups (financial and industrial capital, small and big capital). All those groups do not have same interests sometimes they do and sometimes they dont. This is reflected into political rena also, trump and some republicans opposing ttip etc.

Wars are indeed viable, but there is a problem. As USA economy is getting worae, so it is invesment in its military power and their allies will desert them - not only because they row weak, but different interests - we all could read about conflict between deuche bank and usa bank). Also in terms of Geopolitics, here is Russia and China with its military who will not allow easily USA mendling in their sphere of influnce. Some who have interest in good relations with those countriws due profits from tradw, will be againstbhostilites. They would rather see lowering wages, tax cuts and austerity in usa to rise profits.

The moment USA lose it's influence over the whole world, their economy will crumble - like really really bad. Hillary knows it and she will rather start a world war than let it happen. And you can see Putin's reaction in the last years. Either ways burgers are fucked.

>austerity in the US
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If they could soften relationships with the EU and (((us))), they could easily jump to the top three. The issue is that the EU (and us unfortunately) are dead set on preventing that from happening.

If the US softens up on Russia and tells the EU to fuck off, that would set a favorable environment for Russia to grow.

>We must bear in mind, that USA is not single mind collective, but a collection of interests

Edit. Not only USA, but every state.

Sorry for inchorent anf spelling mistakes. Im multitasking and on phone atm.

>the rubble
spot on, as usual

>ruble soon goes back to 20/30 rubles= 1$
It is in PPP.
>economy and strength but not politics.
Politic = economy+military.
>Russian economic boom it would be as big to put Russia behind US
We doesn't need another race. In a casino with a new bridge round for new world order we prefer to be a bouncer, not player.

Personally I think it is far more complex than that, though once included all the variables you can reduced the question to a less complex explanation where you can consider each variable and give them their actual importance in the manner.

For example, I think it is a mix of situations, from economical to cultural to personals. I only think this is developing in Japan because Japan after the 80's is like a window into the future thanks to the fast expansion of the Japanese economy and their deflationary spiral after the boom in the 80's.

Well put straya. The collapse i hope happens. I can't see the elites letting it get to that point but I do hope it comes. The average us citizen is shit. Doesn't know where their food comes from couldn't live a day without facebook and a week without power without going fullretard. We are marked for deletion in the game of natural selection. it is simply a mater of time.

>for Russia to grow.
Russia is dangerous scantiness of their needs(c) Otto von Bismarck.
Russia is the paradox. So we don't need to be in top three, on the contrary.
Sorry i can explane this to you. Just remember? the paradox is russian lifestile.

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Wrong. The Fed Reserve is a private bank. Never confuse the Federal government and the Federal Reserve bank. They might have back door ties but they are not both goverment owned.

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Same thing with the bank of Canada and the Bank of England. Both are technically owned by the crown but in actuality are run by (((someone))) else.

LOL yeah... I forgot the ((())). The fed is hardcore ((())) owned. Speculation is its the original banking cartel families that setup the fed back in the early 1900's down in Jekyll island georgia. IE the Morgans, Rockefellers, warburgs, Rothschilds, etc.

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The hilarious part, is nobody actually knows who owns it because the books are secret and have never been audited. They go a long way to even try to make it look like a federal govt entity but its still a (((private))) bank no matter how you look at it.