>One of the biggest factors in the sales decline, [owner of London, Ontario, Canada-based The Comic Book Collector Tim] Morris says, is the proliferation of needless, low-quality books the last few years from Marvel Comics especially. “Marvel Comics has been doing a bunch of crap for the last five years,” he said. So where there was once a single monthly title starring self-reflective mutant antihero Deadpool, there are now four. “Give me one good Deadpool book,” Morris said.
>There’s also a disconnect between the company’s comic universe and the cinematic one.
>“(Fixing) continuity would bring a lot of people back,” Morris added.
>He’ll have customers come in the store fresh from the multiplex who are confused because they don’t understand why the Hulk’s alter ego, Bruce Banner, is dead.
>So where there was once a single monthly title starring self-reflective mutant antihero Deadpool, there are now four see this is what they keep doing, one book does good so they make 5 versions of that book and wonder why they don't sell
Joshua Mitchell
>he says, while wearing a Batman shirt I'm not saying he's wrong about the general quality of Marvel books but he's doing a poor job of looking unbiased.
Peter's still around and so is "Odinson" and movie synergy didn't ever bring shit for sales.
Leo Parker
>There’s also a disconnect between the company’s comic universe and the cinematic one.
Good.
It's weird, synergy was bad but what Marvel has done lately is the opposite and actually worse.
Jaxon Robinson
So is this a jab at DC or Marvel? Does it mean Marvel is not pulling in their fair share of readers with good stories? Or that DC's books are not better than Marvels to make up the difference?
Michael Murphy
But... original flavor Spider man and Thor have books about them.
Robert Bailey
People here keep talking about how they dread the MCU becoming popular because this meant synergy with the movies.
So far, the OPPOSITE is what's killing Marvel.
Jose Lopez
>And Spider-Man is Hispanic.
Miles only got ONE book. There are literally THREE peter parker books.
Austin Lopez
Stores closing is a very good thing, sooner this industry dies, closer this medium will get to being taken seriously.
Wyatt Campbell
Marvel fans say Marvel sucks now.
Angel Garcia
The article has no mention of DC or any of its characters and titles.
The article also forgot to respond to those aforementioned customers that Peter Parker STILL exists.
Ryan Ward
>This guy ruined his livelihood and is blaming Marvel because his shirt clearly outs him as a DCFag.
Parker Fisher
Not to mention, Bruce banner is back.
Isaac Martin
>The article has no mention of DC or any of its characters and titles. Sorry but BATMAN is mentioned.
Robert Walker
The Comic Book Collector also has a Facebook page but its posts are mostly about capeshit and mainstream geek culture.
Brayden James
why didn`t he stop to buy the Marvel`s "needless, low-quality books"?
Jacob Thomas
Then why OP blame it on marvel?
Aaron Harris
are the LCS obligated to buy all the books? Can not they choose which to buy and in which quantity?
Brody Morales
Absolute cretin here today.
>Morris says, is the proliferation of needless, low-quality books the last few years from Marvel Comics especially. >From Marvel Comics especially >Marvel Comics especially >Marvel Comics >Marvel
I wonder who it was a shot at.
Jose Powell
Soooo DC, Indie Books and(Possibly) Mangas are nothing as well??
Ryan Evans
Marvel makes it so you have to by "x" amount of America to get "x" amount of variants on "x" book.
Basically if you want what the casuals will buy you have to take what nobody will buy.
Angel Peterson
>clearly doesnt like marvel >continues to sell marvel why didnt he stick to selling just DC like a bitch?
Benjamin Gutierrez
>diversity is our strength
Aaron Campbell
wheres your sauce on that. I havent heard that before
Jordan Watson
Oh fuck off, I'm getting tired of these sanctimonious LCS owners. For fuck's sake, you bet your monies on a dying medium powered primarily by an ass-backwards industry, if you were a smart business man (and not a fanboy, like most of them) you would know this is a bad idea. And if Marvel's practices were so bad, why the fuck didn't you stop ordering their shit a long time ago?
Carter Brooks
Marvel's job is to sell. DC's job is to make good comics. Only one of them is holding up their end.
Benjamin Myers
>Why doesn't he just refuse to sell 45% of his possible business? Lot of econ majors here in Sup Forums.
Ian Watson
honestly, you must be pretty new. This is and has been well discussed here.
Many other sources from the alst 5 years on google. "Marvel variant order practices" or something should do.
This is pretty common info.
Caleb Scott
Hi Alonso, how is ms Amanat in bed?
Luis Stewart
Why don't these fucks just start selling manga as well and cash in on the weeb market?
Carter Thompson
marvel?
Jaxon Scott
this guy sounds like an idiot.
Easton Baker
I wonder if people on Sup Forums actually believe this... there must be a couple of them, at least.
Colton Jones
>Claim product doesnt sell >Stock it anyway econ 101
Connor Bennett
>Marvel >selling Did you miss the fact that their sales are so bad that they're causing the industry to literally collapse on itself? They are solely responsible for dozens of LCSs shutting down.
Ryder Perry
Because he is >He’ll have customers come in the store fresh from the multiplex who are confused because they don’t understand why the Hulk’s alter ego, Bruce Banner, is dead. >And Spider-Man is Hispanic. >And Thor is a woman.
Let's say that's all true (he gets a significant amount of customers that watched capeshit movies and want to read comics), but it's probably not. Sell them a FUCKING TRADE with Banner or Peter or Thor, do your job.
Parker Bailey
You don't understand how comics, particularly marvel, work.
You can't just not order it.
If you made it past econ 101 you would know that supply and demand isn't the end all be all fuckwit.
Jace Cooper
>amazing bookstore in town >usually pick something up from there every time I'm there for some reason >has been awhile >huge fantasy section, tons of boardgames too >go in recently after a year of not seeing it >entire fucking fantasy/sci-fi section is nothing but manga
DRIZZT. MANGA AND FUCKING DRIZZT. Don't shovel that manga shit into a perfectly good store, it ruins everything. Read your chinese panty books online like everyone else does.
Joshua Morris
It could also be because Canada's economy is in the shitter and we don't have the cash to spend on comics
Ethan Nelson
Why would they pay what it costs there? People don't want to buy a book they want to buy a comic. It's a thing, not a story to them. They think "gee I just saw a comic movie, lets check out these comic things." then they get to the store it's all different characters and they're told "buy this 20-30 dollar book of stories from 5-30 years ago".
Then they say no, go online and steal the comics if they're interested int he story, or buy the book for 15 dollars on amazon if they wanted a thing still.
Jaxson Reyes
did you miss their earnings report because your bias opinion?
Andrew Wilson
>The store’s third owner, Morris, 60, says he simply can’t afford to sink any more cash into the venture.
>Steve Jewett sold it to Morris, a self-described “huge geek” in 2001. He regrets it’s closing before what would be the Comic Book Collector’s 40th anniversary in 2019.
Bwahahaha, so a JEWett sold it to this dumbass fanboy (>muh continuity) who sunk it and he's blaming Marvel.
Good job, idiot.
Luis Ward
>He’ll have customers come in the store fresh from the multiplex who are confused because they don’t understand why the Hulk’s alter ego, Bruce Banner, is dead. >And Spider-Man is Hispanic. >And Thor is a woman. Yeah, that would confuse a lot of people
I don't mean to get into another debate but there was one of those "manga publication vs. comcs" threads the other day and when someone brought up that 'manga is better because one author, one publication, one story. You don't need to go reading back issues or crossover events to understand things" he was responded with "hurr that's why there's relaunches and new arcs you don't have to read everything".
Well sure, you don't have to read everything but if you're new, you have to read something, maybe even a fair amount of "somethings". And that's what's killing Marvel right now
James Davis
Beyond even that, Peter has like 5 books while Miles has 1. If someone comes in wanting a Spider-man comic after having seen Homecoming, do you: >try to sell them one of the 5 books about Peter or >tell them that Peter was replaced by some hispanic kid and not to bother Or sell them back-issues or trades.
Adam Phillips
>You can't just not order it. sounds like bullshit. His claim is it doesnt sell. he doesnt have to buy it
Connor Harris
Did you miss the shift key, shill?
Jaxon Reed
>sounds like bullshit. His claim is it doesnt sell. he doesnt have to buy it
He does have to buy it. Comics distribution is handled by a monopoly that will blacklist any store that tries to pick and choose which titles they order. This is what happens in an excessively laissez-faire economic system.
Connor Gonzalez
Look, all I'm saying is, you've already fucked up by investing your livelihood in a retarded industry. Mistakes have been made.
Now, if a dumbass normie customer walks into your store asking to read about Thor, sell him one of your cheapest, Thor trades from 2000. Tell him it's fucking awesome even if it's not. Tell him the next movie is based on this story even if it's not. That's all you need to do. No customer walks out empty handed.
Jason Turner
I don't read manga but I know that every nerdy fuck at my high school used to read manga and only me and one other kid used to read comics and would constantly complain about the local bookstores/libraries having an extremely limited selection, I only graduated last year and I'm just saying that it's currently very profitable.
Isaac Myers
There are three LCS in my town, and I can attest one of the store owners does that. He complains aloud about the stories that he's selling to his customers. Why the fuck would you do that? It may endear him to his regulars of course, but it's a retarded practice that will take him out of business sooner or later.
There is a not small amount of LCS owners that are dumb fanboys and shit businessmen.
Jackson Morales
Peter still exists in 3 main books, but in one book, he's Tony Stark, in another book, he's a married man and father, and in the the third book, he's a cartoonishly absurd manchild.
Hunter Adams
The term is "biased opinion" user. Not "bias opinion". A biased opinion is a bias (in a sloppily defined sense).
But also, Marvel's earnings are beside the point. You don't know much about comics if you think they matter to this discussion.
I'm not even wasting time telling you why your wrong when I've provided a link in this very fucking thread you insufferable faggot. You don't know a fucking thing about business or econ. Shut the fuck up.
Look, you think you know what the fuck you're talking about, that's clear, but you don't, that's even more clear.
Welcome to comics, your in for some fun with a whole lot of bullshit. I suggest you check the req lists so you don't waste your time reading garbage. But, what am I saying, you don't want to actually read comics. You just want to act ike your HS business class knowledge is anything more than useless.
Luke Campbell
This. You're literally FORCED to buy Marvel's garbage and if you try and tell them no then they put you out of business by not allowing you to get ANY comics. Every LCS owner has to desperately tip-toe around and do whatever Marvel wants or else they get the dreaded: >sorry, you're not diverse enough to be a LCS email from Diamond and that's it. Try being a LCS when you're not able to sell comics because you didn't order enough copies of America or Squirrel Girl.
Joshua Parker
Hello /x/. nice conspiracy.
Brayden Allen
>ITT: People who took a business course think Marvel is running a business instead of a scheme.
alternatively
>ITT: People who know how the business works are being told they're idiots by people who don't know how the business works.
Anyone saying "why don't they just not sell marvel" are the type of idiots that say "if you don't like their casting make your own movie". Completely devoid of any semblance of a factual basis.
Samuel Flores
The big 2 and comic shops thrive on selling NEW comics. Not trades or back issues. You don't know how the industry works.
Levi James
In most comic shops only the big 2 really sell that much so if Marvel doesn't sell, it's hard for just DC to keep it afloat and vice versa.
Adam Morales
>but if you're new, you have to read something Wikipedia. It's what I did. Works fine.
Oliver Bell
You literally can't you fucking faggot. You have no idea how the industry works.
Lincoln Rivera
Casuals are the last people who give a fuck about variants. No casual is going to spend $50+ for a $4 comic just because it has a different cover. That's something collectors and speculators do, neither of which actually give a fuck about the contents of the comic.
Jaxson White
>I don't know how the industry works but I totally got a C in my high school econ class so I know everything about this industry that I know nothing about!!! Holy shit the people in this thread are fucking retards. Stop pretending like you know what you're talking about because you don't. That's not how the industry works. You can't just not order their comics. See: There's this thing called "diamond." Look it up.
Luke King
It's abundantly clear that anyone disagreeing with these posts has no clue what they're talking about. They took econ 101 (just econ, not even micro or macro), learned supply and demand and think that it applies to comics.
Comics are most like the drug trade. If a dealer has a kid that wants to be fronted an OZ he's going to tell the kid to do two. Knowing he wont flip enough by the time he has to re-up, or at a price that he can't recoup, so that he HAS to take the next two in the hopes that he can pay off the remainder from the first two.
You've got your sellers as hooked on the product as their customers.
any store selling variants for that much is likely on the brink of closure. And variants are exactly what casuals want, what the fuck are you talking about? Normies don't know about them but that's the type of shit a casual will go in and buy thinking "thise could be worth something".
Luis Rogers
>He’ll have customers come in the store fresh from the multiplex who are confused because they don’t understand why the Hulk’s alter ego, Bruce Banner, is dead. >And Thor is a woman. You know I can understand these complaints because the iconic characters should be available in some recognizable form, but Amazing Spider-Man is where you go for Peter, who cares about Bendis's pet project that will only exist as long as he's around and will disappear once he stops writing it.
Dylan Hernandez
Not to mention, the store owners themselves either collect the variants or try to sell them online for big bucks. Can't complain about the problem when you're part of it.
Owen Hill
>buy thinking "thise could be worth something That's called a speculator, which I mentioned. A casual speculator buys #1s thinking they'll be worth something, not variants.
Aaron Gonzalez
Why don't LCS just contact DC and other companies directly? I can't imagine that DC wouldn't be on board to hurt the competition
Anthony Adams
DC has problems as well but if you're walking in from the movies or even the TV shows you can find a title with the heroes you're looking for.
Chase Reed
You can't, retard. You have no idea how the business works. See:
Chase Powell
>y-you can't just stop ordering Marvel >you have to comply to everyone of their demands >tons of reports coming in this week about retailers cutting down orders on Marvel >b-b-b-but!!
Maybe they're just scared little bitches?
Kevin Cooper
Why are retards from Sup Forums allowed to post on this board?
Tyler Anderson
>Amazing Spider-Man is where you go for Peter, Have you read ASM lately? And by lately I mean the last 10 years. Slott has been ruining the character for that long. Spidey was once their top seller in the entire industry. Now he can't outsell event books, and those event books can't outsell regular Batman books.
Robert Wright
Why do you continue to ask these questions. Please, I know it's unarchived but jsut go read that story. It touches on it Google diamond as the other user said.
None of this is secretive or even attempted to be hidden. It's very well documented. I know it stings to find out your high scool econ teacher was wrong but no two industries are the same.
Brayden Campbell
>Thor is a woman Not an issue when her story is good.
The issue is when it's shit, or if the character isn't white. At least those are my issues with a lot of current Marvel.
Brayden Garcia
Cutting down orders on Marvel, yes. Not cutting out completely. Despite Marvel's low sales, they're still what brings people into shops. If Marvel dies, the industry dies. As a DCfag, even I know this.
Nicholas Davis
>The big 2 and comic shops thrive on selling NEW comics. Not judging by the OP they don't.
Samuel Brown
>Diamond has monoply on distribution >cut out the middle man (diamond) and contact the companies directly >??? >profit I don't see the problem
Noah Miller
You don't understand the mindset of casuals. >I want to buy Thor >Wait, dat ain't Thor, it's some girl >Never mind, I'll buy something else somewhere else
Oliver Diaz
But Rooney if this comic book that I haven't been following in YEARS isn't exactly how I think it should be than it must be bad.
Don't get me wrong this was a legit gripe when it started but by this point people walking in surprised about Jane clearly aren't part of the regular comic readership and likely isn't going to be buying comic books with any sort of regularity.
Chase Phillips
DC comics can't make up the difference. Marvel are the main money earners for comic book shops.
Without Marvel, the comic books industry dies.
Jordan Moore
Do you have reading comprehension? He went out of business because his new comics wouldn't sell. This confirms that new comics are the lifeblood of the industry.
Kayden Hall
Why doesn't Warner Bros just make marvel movies to compete with Disney?
This is what you sound like.
Bentley Howard
If DC Comics and other smaller publishers were able to make up for Marvel's unit share, there'd be no problem, unfortunately they can't. Marvel Zombies, deprived of Marvel comics they want to buy, simply don't come into the store at all.
Wyatt Morgan
Marvel is too big, if they go down everyone goes with them.
Dominic Mitchell
The companies have to work through Diamond. DC is literally not allowed to sell comics directly since they have to use Diamond and Diamond has deals in place with Disney's Marvel where they won't distribute to stores that don't stock enough orders of Marvel's "recommended" (read: required) comics which are almost all exclusively SJW pandering comics that don't sell. Then they'll also overship comics so if you buy the required, say, 5 issues, then they'll send you an additional 15 issues and you have to pay for the shipping on that. So now you have 20 issues of a comic that doesn't sell and you just blew your weekly budget on shipping costs for books you didn't want in the first place.
That's just how the industry works. If you're not going to google diamond and look into this stuff yourself then just fucking leave. Don't even reply to this post until you've educated yourself.
Liam Fisher
>when her story is good. But it isn't. When Whor isn't constantly winning, she's punching the "patriarchy" or throwing meta jabs against fans of the REAL Thor.
Fucking "Asgardia"? Fucking "All Mother"? Really, Rooney? You're better than this, even for a tripfag.
Hudson Harris
>if they aren't already religiously buying comics then they don't matter
And yet everyone wonders why comic books sell like shit despite the movies constantly breaking box office records.
Landon Davis
Superior was huge, Slott just dropped the ball with Spider-Verse and Dead No More. He can bounce back, he's done it before (Spider-Man sales before Superior).
Ian White
user, you aren't smarter than an entire industry. You may think we're just to deluded anons on Sup Forums but we're not telling you you're wrong because we like Diamond. We're telling you you're wrong because we all hate Diamond.
Joshua Wright
What? That would mean DC and Marvel are owned by the same company.
Juan White
All-mother and Asgardia happened in Fraction's run years before Jane became Thor.
Daniel Cooper
So why does DC even have this deal in place? How does it benefit them?
Adam Fisher
if it applies to sjw than it applies to the once a year characterfags
You can't cater to people that don't buy.
Jaxson Thomas
So shouldn't we place more of the blame on DC (or Image) for not being able to surpass Marvel, even when Marvel's quality is an all time low. You'd think that right now is the time to take their true place at the top of the hill. I mean, DC comics are so wonderful.
Maybe blaming DC for anything is taboo on Sup Forums? Hmmmm.
Charles Turner
Superior was a gimmick that banked on the fact that Peter Parker was fucking DEAD and one of his villains was wearing his skin. It also arbitrarily turned Black Cat 180 degrees into a Saturday morning cartoon villain. Fuck that.
Juan Garcia
Are you really this fucking dense?
Dominic Mitchell
It benefits them because its their only option. Stop asking stupid questions that could be answered just by doing some googling and light research into diamond.
Juan Miller
Irrelevant. It's all part of the same push to embrace feminism by tearing down a perceived patriarchy. It's all the same meta context. "tear down patriarchy and build up matriarchy" Whor was just the shit cherry on the shit sundae.
Nathaniel Flores
So you're saying that comic books should just give up and accept that their biggest book will never sell as much as the average movie last, game, or television show?
Isaac Jones
LCS owner has only themself to blame for stocking inferior quality product
Dominic Jenkins
>It's all part of the same push to embrace feminism Again, this happened back in early 2011, years before any of the "SJW" shit in comics.