Why does Marvel gotta always hate on best girl? She's nothing but an anti-authoritarian strawman as of late, serving as an antagonist to "prove" that the capes are always right no matter what. And unlike a fair few of said capes, she's just trying to do her damn job. This isn't an ego trip, she's not an attention whoring twat, she's a glorified cop.
Say what you will about all the shady crap she's pulled, at least she's actually trying to come up with solutions to the world's problems. I don't see the cosplay brigade offering any alternatives, so maybe they can just shut the fuck up.
But I guess since she doesn't have powers or a gaudily colored costume, I guess that makes her the bad guy.
Easton Garcia
Hill is basically "No Fun Allowed: The Character". Her purpose is to oppose all the things that make superhero comics great.
Dylan Flores
>As of late That's pretty much the whole reason she exists in the first place. But yeah, this: In a world where Maria Hill was actually competent/successful, 80% of superheroes would be out of a job. Despite heading arguably the world's largest, most powerful espionage organization, her direct opposition to the cornerstones of mainstream superhero fiction means she'll always be the underdog in this fight. Maria Hill was born to lose.
Josiah Powell
she just needs some mutant dick
William Miller
>sanctimonious posturing >egotistical showboating >imposing one's own rigid viewpoint on others >allowing criminals to run rampant without any attempt at a permanent solution >privileged elitism If that's what makes cape comics great, then Maria is 100% correct in opposing it.
Aaron Sanchez
Nothing Bendis creates is "best" anything.
Nolan Jackson
>That Arrested Development reference Good shit.
Benjamin Morales
OK Ennis get the fuck off Sup Forums.
You thought we wouldn't catch on because you didn't mention Punisher or war but we're not fucking retarded.
Nolan Evans
Why did Maria Hill bring back some supervillains back from the dead for her little town?
Ian Wilson
>Maria was born to lose. That's shit writing though. See, the way things have played out, it's obvious the capes only win the argument because the writers want them to. Again, Maria has actually put forth possible solutions to the world's problems, while the capes have not. In any rational universe, where everyone isn't a fucking retard, Maria would be the hero, since she's actually doing something. It doesn't make the capes look like they're in the moral right, they come off as a bunch of immature morons who get mad whenever someone interrupts their life long LARP session.
As far as I'm concerned, the superheros are automatically in the wrong until they stop acting like children, and offer reasonable alternatives. Maria was right. Maria was always right.
Broken clocks, and all that.
Henry Hughes
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Nathaniel Phillips
>And unlike a fair few of said capes, she's just trying to do her damn job. Hill is an inept moron who consistently makes shit worse, why they only just kicked her out of Shield I'll never know.
Ayden Perez
oops wrong pic
Easton Long
The last time she was really good on her own was Secret Invasion. She really channeled some Nick Fury in that.
And I do like Maria Hill. She's pretty much a hot Marvel version of Waller, a bitch that will do what's necessary to protect the world. But nowadays she's like thin Waller, an incompetent loser in a great body.
Ryan Lewis
>But nowadays she's like thin Waller, an incompetent loser in a great body. That's what Waller always is.
Christian Garcia
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David Collins
>600x374
Why would you do such a thing?
Brayden Morales
Of course the writers want them to, and most of the readers want them to as well. They are, after all, the main characters. And even if they weren't, even if you had a Maria Hill ongoing, most of her initiatives would still probably fail on account of the rules of drama. These are all constaints of the kind of comic she inhabits and the particular role she was created to fulfill. Disclaimer: I'm terribly out of the loop with 90% of what's going on with Marvel so the next bit is just going to be some very poorly, generalized, probably wrong ranting, but: What *is* shit writing, to me, is that she more often than not remains in power despite having far more disasters than triumphs to her name. There's a fair bit of lip service paid as to how she keeps the world running and yadda yadda yadda, but what we usually only get to see is her fucking up or getting fucked up. No writer is willing to actually give her a clear and decisive win, something that makes you say "Ok, yeah, THIS is why she's in charge". And even when they try, like in the latest issue of Secret Empire, it's still tarnished by half the problems being directly or indirectly caused by her. Why is this person who's actions have brought about disaster over and over still allowed to remain in a position of power? And the answer is easy: because the writers want her there. Because that's what she was born to do.
Ryan Collins
I get what you're saying, I really do. But really, this whole "capes good, non-capes" bad is just, well it's just fucking boring. I'll freely admit that this argument partially stems from my frustration with capes being essentially the only game in town, but holy shit, every time Maria gets shat on, it feels like the fact is being rubbed in. "Ha! Silly spy thrillers, here's why you suck, and why superheroes reign supreme, faggot!".
Again, I know I'm projecting, but pretty much every Marvel "hero" has turned into a repugnant piece of shit, and they need to be taken down a peg. My girl Maria would be the perfect character to do that, but the writers are a bunch of incompetent loons who will continue to insist that superheroes are a good thing, despite so much evidence to the contrary.
Hudson Torres
>Again, I know I'm projecting, but pretty much every Marvel "hero" has turned into a repugnant piece of shit, and they need to be taken down a peg. Maria Hill fits that description far more than most heroes.
Michael Jackson
Honestly, when you get to that point, I think it's better to just pack up and leave because these things ain't gonna change. The game's rigged, but it's not the only game in town. Spread out. Find comics that make you happy before you get burned out. You dig spy thrillers? Ed Brubaker's Velvet was fucking awesome and ended recently. Greg Rucka's Queen and Country is also pretty fantastic, if you can handle the art. Grell's Jon Sable is a classic and cool as fuck. So is Modesty Blaise, and there you have decades worth of comics. Greener pastures, man. They're out there.
Michael Morris
What the hell is going on with Cap's shield in that?
>bottom panel shows it is supposed to be roughly triangle shaped >top panel makes it look like it should be a kite shape
Owen Nguyen
Yeah this, look for comics you'll like and don't waste people's time bitching about ones you don't. Frigging Garth Ennis all over again.
Christian Smith
>But really, this whole "capes good, non-capes" bad is just, well it's just fucking boring. >capes You see, that's more the problem, this way of looking at it. They're not "capes". They're superheroes. Part of what makes them that is their morals. Otherwise, they'd be antiheroes or villains. That's one of the reasons Hill has no right to be on top, and that's what a lot of Marvel writers forgot.
I mean, in the anti-heroes case, I grew to appreciate them and their point of view, but in context, they're not supposed to be right either.
James Stewart
the current Cap shield (as used by Steve) is rather kite/triangular, depending on the artist, based on his original shield.
Gavin Edwards
Hill had a pretty big moment in Siege.
Jackson Cruz
They couldn't get the artists to decide what kind of weapon Hill was using, but it is still a cool scene.
Zachary Rogers
Wasn't that whole "interplanetary shield to keep aliens out" idea that Captain Dykecut got to implement for putting Tony in a coma Hill's idea?
Hunter Cruz
>pic Maria is cute. CUTE!
But yeah, I'm fucking sick of superheroes and their sanctimonious bullshit. I was just using spy thrillers as a relevant example, but still nice to know there even are some recent examples.
I gotta make sure to catch the next the next Judge Dredd story time. If Anderson is anything like she is in the movie, I have a new waifu.
Connor Howard
Yes, but the undefined authorities that Hill answers to were already pissed about Pleasant Hills.
Bentley Lee
Comics Anderson is a lot more mature, easy-going and jokey than movieverse Anderson, but they both share that huge sense of compassion, sympathy and independence that's at the core of her as a character. So yeah, definitely go for it. And if not, the Olivia Thirlby Anderson just got her first comic series set in the Dredd 3Dverse.
Also, since you mentioned Judge Dredd, remember when Al Ewing (who has written Dredd) revisited Mondo City One, the Judge Dredd pastiche from Thunderbolts, and Maria Hill was the Chief Jud--I mean Big Boss? Good times.
Jacob Gonzalez
I don't know what that has to do with the planet shield, or what pleasant hills is.
Luis Williams
Guess they also couldn't decide if they wanted her to actually shoot bullets or throw them while still in their casings.
Jayden Wilson
Haha oh Ewing, you're too good for current Marvel.
still kinda upst about that Punishr and Punisher 2099 scene, but still
Julian Kelly
Now that is a Big Boss I would love to have practice CQC on me.
Jack Sullivan
>But yeah, I'm fucking sick of superheroes and their sanctimonious bullshit. >>Says superheroes are sanctimonious >> Talks about Mariah Hill like she isn't.
Christopher Hernandez
This page is fuckin' awesome, and shows why I love Maria despite Marvel trying their damnedest to make me hate her. Even in a world Dr. Doom has taken over the world with god powers, and everything has gone to proper shit, she still cares about doing her damn job of protecting the populace. She may be a bitch, but she's a bitch who's looking out for you.
Xavier Thompson
>Haha oh Ewing, you're too good for current Marvel. Why does everyone shill Ewing? His shit is so boring.
Matthew Miller
These traits describe Maria Hill though.
Gavin Diaz
Don't try and point out the obvious, if he didn't get it years after all of Hill's bullshit he won't get it now.
Michael Nelson
In the world of nothing but hot servings of shit the guy with a sleeve of saltines tends to be the person you talk about the most fondly
Cameron Lopez
Ewing isn't even that though. Hell there's like at least 10 other marvel books better than his wannabe Morrison shit.
Ian Roberts
Hey, he's at least trying to do some fun and decent stuff. That can't be said of most Marvel.
Personally I think he's always too busy trying to clean after others' bullshit. Trying to salvage characters no one would want to touch with a 10-foot pole, bringing back characters who died in stupid ways and no one was assed to bring back, writing them back in character, bringing back dead worlds for more story possibilities without retcons, fixing continuity etc. If you find him so boring, maybe he should be editor or something.
Besides, I was just saying, a Judge Dread homage at Marvel is a pretty cool thing to see.
>his wannabe Morrison shit Wow, now that's some uncalled for comparison, he's not that bad.
Xavier Reyes
she's my favorite Marvel character when Bendis isn't writing her just constantly makes me laugh
Henry Cox
literately half of Marvel's lineup is fun and decent stuff Ewing is boring rather read Hastings, Loveness, Robbie Thompson, Brisson, Bunn, Duggan and Spencer
Wyatt Perez
God damn dude, did you just read my mind?
Josiah Turner
Maria Hill's arc has been a strange one. She was created just to be a bitchy bureaucrat antagonist but by the end of Bendis's meta-arc in Siege she'd basically redeemed herself and joined the good guys. At the start of Heroic Age she was helping the Avengers fulltime. Now she's basically at Dirk Anger levels of cartoon villainy.
Brandon Harris
I liked her dynamic with Tony on Fraction's Iron Man run despite it's flaws, but after Siege she has just been around going nowhere as a character.
Specer doesn't count.
Nicholas Butler
eww....only Duggan and Spencer (sometimes) are enjoyable. And Duggan has really bad dialog
Mason Flores
Could Maria Hill carry her own series?
Eli Edwards
the majority of their output has been good, Deadpool has been surprisingly great, UA made me a happy Rogue fan for the first time in years, Spencer's Superior Foes, Secret Avengers, Pleasant Hill and Cap saga have all been really entertaining to me
Andrew Carter
Only if it's about her discovering tinder.
Michael Mitchell
Is she below Namo in popularity?
Everyone below him (and including him) can't.
Tyler Williams
only if it was a comedy Kot's Secret Avengers was basically her own ongoing
Gabriel Miller
>Why does Marvel gotta always hate on best girl? She's nothing but an anti-authoritarian strawman as of late Acting as if this "character" ever had a personality.
It's a dozen years after her creation and only now is Bendis saying "Mebbe I shoulda given her a backstory?"
She's awful and is/was the epitome of early '00s "Eh let's make a woman character who is in-charge and has trendy short haircut?"
Adrian Williams
>In a world where Maria Hill was actually competent/successful, 80% of superheroes would be out of a job
You can say that about literally any character, that doesn't make them any less shit. The fact of the matter is, Mariah Hill is awful. She only exists to flip flop between pointlessly ruthless authoritarian and straight up villain.
Wyatt Perez
Hastings and Brisson aren't enjoyable? Shit taste user. Shit taste.
Isaac Walker
She and Daisy destroyed forever every respect I ever had for SHIELD.
The organisation is pretty shit and run by literal retards. I wonder why anyone follows them at all.
Cameron Wright
you don't actually read comics
Adrian Bell
>literately half of Marvel's lineup is fun and decent stuff Found the "America" fan.
Nathan Sanders
>Her purpose is to oppose all the things that make superhero comics "great". sounds like a great character honestly. would be fun to have a short self-ironic series where she gets to win and bring some sense in capeshit logic.
Charles Torres
that's what I said, some of Spencers stuff is good. I would add Ant-Man to that list Vote Loki has SOME cool ideas but the execution was bad. Brisson I really haven't read admittedly my Marvel reading has plummetted but I've replaced that with more creator owned comics instead of big 2
Gavin Ross
fuck no but only half of Marvel's books are shitty like that both companies publish about 60 comics at any given time and about half of them are going to be substandard shit and half assed attempts to appeal to different audiences same as always >muhhh company wars >faggot who doesn't enjoy reading good comics but likes complaining about books he doesn't read anyways
Jackson Evans
ya but its 30% more bullet
Bentley Bell
>writer of recent Nova series >bad you need to reevaluate your existence also PAD is still working for Marvel and all of Slott's non-ASM work is genuinely great
Nathan Walker
Mouse defense force is out today
Cooper Green
Out to defend Maria Hill of all characters, no less.
Ryder Wood
everyone in the MU shits on her plz no bully irl she dindu nuffin
Connor Cook
>all of Slott's non-ASM work is genuinely great Which is exactly why his ASM work pisses me off so much.
Nathan King
these two pictures remind me why to live when I occasionally forget
David Martin
She has the power of the mono-boob. Her breasts merge into one entity when in a tight outfit.
Brayden Murphy
I see him on it as a good thing, him doing his worst work is still better than most writers in general Like there's a half dozen Spiderbooks right now and for some god forsaken reason, ASM, being not very good, is still the best? RKV Peter is bland, Zdarsky isn't funny at all, Scarlett isn't what fans really wanted, SM/DP issue not by Kelly is terrible, Bendis is Bendis, Gwen is so slow so Slott is basically keeping Peter from worse fates it can always be worse
Luke Lewis
>Loveness Did he get another book now that Nova is canned?
>Bunn Isn't that the poor bastard stuck with the O5 right now?
>Duggan Looks like he's at least trying with the GotG, which is a good thing, yes
>Spencer Now that's just fucking bait
Noah Gomez
>Isn't that the poor bastard stuck with the O5 right now? and the book is shit
Owen Hall
I really don't understand what the point of SHIELD is anymore. Like, they're not allowed to actually accomplish anything, so why even keep them around?
And for that matter, the strawman aspect doesn't make any damn sense, since of course the audience reading superhero comics is gonna be generally in favor of superheroes. Why do we need a strawman in the first place?
Really, SHIELD should go away. Let it die with what little scraps of dignity it may or may not have left. Just have them pack it up and be like "We're out. You got this.".
Elijah Allen
Arkham is never going to hold the Joker, why keep it around?
Comicbook convention. Shield serves a purpose. That purpose in serialized storytelling is to fail repeatedly, for the capes to save the day not the mere humans trying to do so.
Aiden Gutierrez
>Sit back down, normies. We, the privileged elite will deal with this! I suddenly see what Lex-fags are on about. But at least Clark has the utmost respect for law enforcement, and often works with them. Even when working with SHIELD, Marvel heroes feel the need to talk shit right in front of them.
Andrew Edwards
>Maria Hill on Tinder Pitch it to me
Parker Turner
I loved how in a few first month of New 52 there were three big breakout attempts from Arkham. With two of them being pretty successful.
Lincoln Evans
To be fair, Marvel law enforcement is incredibly shit, and it's that way by design. Take Carol basically hijacking US Law enforcement to enact a crazy crusade.
Jordan Ramirez
>privileged elite Fucking firemen thinking they know how to put out a fire. Fucking doctors thinking they know how to heal people. Fucking Superheroes thinking they know how to fight threats that police and the military has never been able to handle.
Hunter Moore
She's suffered too much.
Eli Price
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Leo Carter
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Nathan Lewis
Fuck off. Every time non-powered folks so much as try to deal with super powered threats, the "heroes" chastise them, as if it's not their place to dare try and defend themselves.
They're only shit because they're written to be shit. And no, I don't buy that excuse that if cops and SHIELD were effective, then superheroes would be pointless. Both can be effective without negating the other.
Oh wait, no they can't, I keep forgetting we live in a world where everyone has an either or mindset, and there's no fucking balance or nuance whatsoever.
Justin Gonzalez
>Every time non-powered folks so much as try to deal with super powered threats, the "heroes" chastise them, as if it's not their place to dare try and defend themselves. This has never happened.
Cooper Barnes
>Every time non-powered folks so much as try to deal with super powered threats >what if we illegally put all the supervillains in the same prison. >that way when there's inevitably a jailbreak all the supervillains can break free and have a grudge against society. >this plan is so good that it's gonna be the only plan we ever use.
Samuel Ramirez
It's reaching parody levels by now. >can't kill them, that's wrong >can't brainwash them, that's wrong >can't feasibly contain them long term, which is probably wrong somehow anyway WELP, out of options! Guess all that's left to do is bend over and take it right up the ass from these marauding psychopaths.
Again, until the spandex community can offer some reasonable alternatives, they can shut the fuck up.
Jacob Sanders
The problem isn't the cape community, it's entirely on SHIELD.
Michael Nelson
The superheros are the only ones who know what they're doing, they are the ones who are repeatedly and consistently shown to be able to effectively ha dle the threar and most importantly superheroes have shown to be the ones who met law enforcement halfway.
Austin Young
oh, that's why so many superheroes die fighting stupid villains
Oliver Ortiz
Those stupid villains usually being too much for the entire police force.
Dylan Hill
>>can't brainwash them, that's wrong That is more than wrong, it's fucking retarded. >>can't feasibly contain them long term, which is probably wrong somehow anyway No you're just making shit up.
Chase Harris
Maria's lived a hard life. Imagine being put in charge of the world's biggest spy organization because your boss is a weirdo has has constant WWII/Vietnam flashbacks and pretends he's a robot while also dealing with the stupidest fucking superheroes in any universe.
Grayson Kelly
she deserves an ongoing where she just reacts to do stupid shit, more flabbergasted and angry every time
Luis White
Oh please, you know full well someone would bullshit up a reason for why prison is morally wrong. Especially at current Marvel.
Also, how is changing someone's personality so they aren't evil anymore retarded? Yeah, it's fucked up, but I fail to see how it's inherently stupid.
Again, have you any alternate solutions to the super villain problem? Cause if so, I'd love to hear them.
Noah Carter
Is this an edit?
Lincoln Jones
Have they tried sending the supervillains to their own habitable planet? I mean, DC did it, so certainly Marvel has to copy it eventually, right?
Jaxon Jenkins
That sounds kinda funny, actually. Under a decent writer, of cours.