>Comics readers will remember The Ray—who can generate and manipulate light and turn into a powerful energy form—from his 1970s debut as a member of the Freedom Fighters, heroes of Earth-X, a parallel world where the Nazis won World War II. This animated version also takes its inspiration from Grant Morrison’s popular The Multiversity series (the seventh issue of which featured a reimagined Freedom Fighters). And while the show is focused on The Ray, his teammates will appear too. “It’s called Freedom Fighters: The Ray for a very specific reason,” Guggenheim explains, “which is we knew we wanted to establish the Freedom Fighters and Earth-X. In Multiversity, Grant Morrison came up with an idea we really responded to: The Freedom Fighters are made up of various minorities targeted by Nazis—women, gay men, Jews. We wanted to honor that idea. At the same time, it’s an origin story about the Earth-1 iteration of The Ray.”
>Some familiar voices will be dropping by, like Supergirl’s Melissa Benoist as Overgirl, the Earth-X version of the Girl of Steel. “Melissa is so sweet, and so is her interpretation of Supergirl,” Guggenheim says. “It was fun to hear her voice records and see she’s capable of a darkness. I think she really enjoyed playing the bad guy for a bit!” Other supervillains The Ray will take on include evil Nazi counterparts of The Flash and Green Arrow.
Pretty sure she was in the trailer, so no surprise there.
Andrew Campbell
Who the fuck else would play her in a CW production, you idiot?
Isaac Brooks
Tripling down on the diversity crap I see
Jaxson Martinez
>tfw Earth-X and the Freedom Fighters finally start to climb in popularity
And all you needed was the rise of white supremacy in the united states!
Chase Parker
What the hell are you talking about?
Hudson Jones
He's misapplying a complaint. Sometimes diversity is shoved in for brownie points, but he assumes this is one of those times when it's not. It has artistic purpose here (and in Multiversity).
Basically, fucking casuals need to shut the fuck up.
Ian Walker
>Overgirl >bad guy
Noah Wilson
>Story about minorities in a Nazi-occupied world >"What is this SJW shit?"
For people who mock tumblr so much, Sup Forumsfags sure are triggered.
Brandon Lopez
Overgirl and Overman are not evil. Fuck these simpletons.
Tyler Mitchell
Quit biting.
Benjamin Cook
>Earth-X Superfamily >Evil D R O P P E D
Jose Cruz
So they're eager to incorporate the idea from Master Men that each Freedom Fighter represents a different group targeted by the Nazis.
But they're completely ignoring most other themes from Master Men, like how it's unfair to blame young people for benefiting from atrocities committed by their ancestors before they were even born.
In other words, there's parts of Master Men they like and parts they don't like. All of the easy PC diversity with none of the hard questions.
I don't expect better from Hollywood. They always adapt stories selectively to push their preferred agenda, so I'm used to it. And I know these CW Seed cartoons have only a small amount of very short episodes, so there isn't a lot of time for nuance. But let's not pretend like we don't obviously know why some parts of Master Men are being directly adapted and other parts are not.
Tyler Ramirez
They were just misunderstood heroes just like Harley Quinn
Camden Howard
Are you saying what I think you are today Ed...?
Austin Peterson
You're giving Guggenheim too much credit. He is legitimately bad at comics and that meaning probably flew over his head.
Ethan Martin
hahahaha, nice btfo
Chase Clark
>Melissa Benoist >voice >no suit damn
Bentley Evans
They actually weren't evil. In fact, i think the part where Overman comes back from deep space and finds out about the holocaust.
>"What the fuck did you DO?"
Jaxon Phillips
Will we get this emblem in Injustice 2?
Adrian Walker
>Melissa Benoist
Parker Johnson
Hell Overman was so deeply affected by the horrors he allowed to go unanswered (the holocaust) that his guilt over it clouded his judgement and allowed the FF to get away with killing a shit ton of people that were only guilty of being the descendants of the men responsible for the holocaust.
Anthony Clark
Sure is Antifa around here.
Colton Myers
Reading comic books is above Sup Forums
Jeremiah Kelly
Sure is intoxicated and obedient like frigging always around here all of a right now.
Ryder Long
It's like saying most modern day Americans deserve to die for the horrors committed against native Americans by their ancestors.
Aaron Green
>sure is people who hate nazis in here Geez, what a shocker
Noah Foster
So you cant be bother to read a comic book and suddenly you get all defensive when people call you out on your bullshit? Eat shit faggot.
Carson Clark
>I've never read the comics
Michael Moore
But thats not the point. Overman and family were not evil, period.
Ayden Evans
Writers will make them evil. Because of political bullcrap. No respect for the source.
Robert Gomez
That is some shit taste mate.
Brayden White
But they entire point of Grant's New Earth-X was that Overman and Overgirl weren't evil and that Uncle Sam and the Freedom Fighters were bad guys supplied by the Sivanas of Many Worlds who were willing to murder everyone in Berlin just to spite the Nazi empire for crimes they committed centuries ago.
In the Multiversity issue the Freedom Fighters were evil terrorists.
Overman is one of the saddest characters Grant's ever created. I wish we got more of him and that Superman team from Final Crisis. They were all great and played off each other well.
Just add Superdemon and Sunshine Superman.
Carson Carter
Was the first season of the Ray even good? In fact, was Vixen good?
Dominic Martinez
While overman was clearly feeling the guilt, the other members seemed to be fully into the cause.
Benjamin Lee
>All the nuance of Overman's character is stripped away so the writers can mindlessly feel good about punching Nazis in the face
Disgusting.
Jace White
>centuries
The whole take is about Superman landing in WWII germany. All the crimes aren't even 40 years old.
Of course the FF group is pissed while at the same time trying to save the few minorities left over from the genocides.
Jeremiah Hill
You should consider that I'm not the guy you were referring to - off chance that you're a Trumploid.
John Diaz
The other members we see are too young to have been involved in the holocaust, hell Batman even brings up the point that why should they be blamed for what their ancestors did?
Matthew Gomez
>The whole take is about Superman landing in WWII germany
And he's centuries old in the modern day of the story. Overman is agelessly immortal.
Samuel Turner
Weren't they celebrating some kind of century thing in the Multiersity issue?
>Save a few minorities left over
They Char's Counter Attacked Berlin.
Grayson Ward
>FF gonna push away a meteor with UNDERSTANDING magic granted I'd pay good money to see that shit, but I don't think that's a marketable idea
Ryder Cooper
>FF gonna push away a meteor with UNDERSTANDING magic But FF were the Chars of the story.
Easton Hall
It ain't anything new
Dylan Bell
>like how it's unfair to blame young people for benefiting from atrocities committed by their ancestors before they were even born. Whoa that is the exact opposite theme of Master Men. This is a wolrd that was born in evil and continues to support evil by continuing Hitler's vision. Overman may feel remorseful but that does not make him good.
Asher Sullivan
What
Eli Taylor
>they're not evil! Yes they are. They are tragic in that sense.
Connor Myers
>FF were the Chars
Nicholas Thomas
Does the story take place in a fast forwarded time line? Or is it parallel to ours in 2010ish. Haven't read it since it came out.
If former than forget what I said
Nathaniel Perry
>Politically Incorrect Man that takes me the fuck back. Maher's HBO show just wasn't as good
Dylan Allen
Just because he's tragic doesn't make him good. Overman contnues supporting a regime that he knowns committs horrible atrocities.
Brody Phillips
Someone storytime the multiversity issue.
Thomas Rodriguez
Because they continue to support the same evil regime their grandfathers did.
Juan Peterson
Outside of Overman and gang, all the NAZIS were cartoonish evily. Issue opens up with a hitler on a shitter joke and any time the world comes up it always has some nazi crazy trying to continue the opressing agenda.
And also was the world even in working order? I think America remained in shambles but I don't recall any mention of other places.
Caleb Campbell
They'll fuck it up or deliberately end up portraying Overman as more sympathetic than the terrorists, just like the Man in the High Castle.
Ethan Harris
How can you call it evil when almost everyone except an extremely small minority is living happily? There aren't any concentration camps nor mass genocides taking place in the present because those were done generations ago. It's the equivalent of claiming that modern day US is evil because it was founded on the corpses of countless native americans that were trampled in the name of manifest destiny.
Landon Martin
That run of Supergirl went to some weird directions. As in "Supergirl is aliteral angel" tier directions
I liked it. It was storytimed somewhere around when Sup Forums was all about how good reviwal Samurai Jack was
Colton Scott
The stories is set in modern times, bot hundred of years into the future like user is saying.
Samuel Campbell
The answer is still aplicable to your very ignorant persona. May I suggest you kill yourself?
James Davis
>like how it's unfair to blame young people for benefiting from atrocities committed by their ancestors before they were even born.
Except the CW show isn't using Morrison's peaceful Third Reicht utopia built through global genocide premise, or that Freedom Fighters are terrorists. It's just using the minority angle on the Freedom Fighters roster itself. Everything else is clearly based on the silver age Eath-X with Nazis still fighting for the control of America and trying to exterminate groups of people that the FF, the underground resistance movement, are visibly protecting in the trailer.
Cooper Bennett
Wasn't that supergirl also with a clone Lex Luthor?
Caleb Richardson
Well, I liked that elseworld Supergirl Wings so I might give this a try some time...
Angel Adams
No. Just no. Your approach is disgusting.
I guess so are all the americans.
Thomas Stewart
I had no idea they were making a Freedom Fighters cartoon. I like that they're keeping Ray's history instead of the dumb Rebirth version.
I loathe to imagine what kind of awful tacticool designs Uncle Sam and Phantom Lady will get though.
Lucas Anderson
>As in "Supergirl is aliteral angel" tier directions Is this the same run with the Supergirl made of goo that merged with another bitch?
Asher Collins
Did somebody say "teh rei"?
Christian Morgan
But user, that's escactly what american left has been trying to get accepted as the truth since midwest america stabilised and it became clear that Tribes won't be recovering and spoiling their vision of future
Nathaniel Scott
>How can you call it evil when almost everyone except an extremely small minority is living happily? If you had to kill a billions of people to get peace then it's not really peace, that's just killing everyone who didn't fit in your society. It's not worth it and Overman agrees, the paradise that HE built is still evil. Did you not read the comic?
Isaiah Morales
>How can you call it evil when almost everyone except an extremely small minority is living happily?
By the fact that they don't acknowledge or denounce their evil history, and instead celebrate the nazi regime, its ideology and culture as the pinnacle of humanity. Overman is literally the only person shown to be haunted by Hitler's legacy and the only way he deals with it is discreetly undermine the very foundation of the society through helping terrorists rather than try to publicly, as the figure head of the leadership of the world, make the society see how terrible their inheritance is abd how they should learn from their mistakes.
Liam Ross
You can't equate Nazi germany with America. America was founded on the principle of freedom and liberty and while it doesn't it live up to those ideals at least it's ideal are not founded on oppression and murder.
Leo Bell
>make the society see how terrible their inheritance is abd how they should learn from their mistakes. And now they can't do that because the Freedom Fighters dropped the watch tower on Berlin. Good job Overman, you got a shit ton of more people killed because of your guilt.
Dominic Harris
Oh I see, people fighting for their very survival are evil while the Nazi who still want to kill them are good.
Justin Gray
>people fighting for their very survival are evil How is dropping a watch tower on a bunch of civilians survival?
Caleb Myers
Yes. It comes up in many issues. But she is also an angel who is somehow also a teenage girl living in small american city. There is also a lesbian who can transform into a superpowered albino man with equine eyes and legs Anyone remember the Convergence freedom fighters mini ?
Isaac Gomez
That's why it's a tragedy.
Ryder Ward
The comic went over your head user.
Sebastian Lee
Exactly, there's no clear good or bad guys here just more deaths.
Gabriel Gutierrez
An apt comparison would be if Filipinos started trying to blow up the US for what they did in the Philippine-American War.
Josiah Russell
Because they're fucking Nazis.
Adam Diaz
I think it went over your head, the final scene is played as something horrible which Overman regrets because in the end all he just did was let the Freedom Fighters kill more people which won't change anything. The men responsible for the genocides had long gotten away and those that were left to receive the punishment they deserved were their children's children.
Jonathan Bell
Sure is easily baited in here.
James Lee
Because it's a strike against the Nazi regime! You're fine with billions of civilians dying to get to the Nazi utopia but now the cost of life too much? Doesn't work like that m8.
Charles Baker
Out of curiosity, do you think the US should have nuked Moscow and St. Petersburg?
Carson Hernandez
what did you expect when her black Supergirl costume was just a full body jumpsuit
Juan Miller
It would have been a good start.
Isaac Garcia
Taking out key members of the government will create chaos and allow larger attacks on the reich to be made, which furthers the agenda of taking the regime down. There's no denying it's still a vile act of terrorism, but that's how underground resistance work tends to operate when they're desperate and small in numbers. Playing dirty becomes a necessity.
The point of Master Men is that there are no black and white good and bad guys in this world. Everyone is corrupted through the hate and genocide.
Josiah Scott
But what do those deaths actually bring about?
Nathan Allen
>You're fine with billions of civilians dying to get to the Nazi utopia I'm not but the dead are dead and those that caused those deaths are dead as well unfortunately. It's morally wrong to punish a child for their father's sins.
Dylan Taylor
>ignore problems for decades >be surprised when shit happens
This is why we had 9/11.
Kevin Perry
The children are still responsible for supporting the regime, they don't feel gulity about the atrocities and the fact that the freedom fighters were still around shows they were still willing to committ the same atrocities. They're not being punished for the sin of their fathers but their own sins.
Henry Bell
Not if their father was a Nazi and they're also Nazis.
Austin Brooks
A chance to destroy the evil regime you stupid shit.
Landon Collins
Do you honestly think nazis thought they fought for "oppression and murder" ? Just because they lost their megalomanic war of all fronts and were satanised by popular culture continued from war propaganda doesn't mean that clouding people's motivations after their age isn't one of the most efficent methods of controlling living public. If USA fails somewhere in near future, you can bet for sure that whatever is put in its place will justify itself by vilifying its predecessor.
Jeremiah Baker
This is Guggenheim we're dealing with. His idea was to hire a Muslim actress based on Isis as a response to DRUMPF.
What's really going on here is that Guggenheim is piggybacking on one of Morrison's cool ideas in order to continue his little social politics rollercoaster ride.
Just st look at what the Game of Thrones showrunners are planning next with their alternate history Civil War America show. It's all just race bait, gender bait and politics bait.
Elijah Powell
>Tolerate Great Ally's propagandizing >it gets a tad out of control
Fix'd for accuracy.
Gabriel Carter
To be fair, the United States is built upon deeds far more nefarious than Hitler's modest predations.
Jacob Miller
Seems to me they were less interested in toppling the regime and more interested in righteous payback.
Liam Smith
So diversity is okay if Morrison does it but bad when it's by Guggenheim, despite nothing changing in the core idea of FF being represented through oppressed minorities?
Hunter Allen
Yes. Morrison's cock gets a lot of unwarranted worship around here.