Classcucks so quick to blame blacks and poor people with no power for the problems in society instead of the people...

classcucks so quick to blame blacks and poor people with no power for the problems in society instead of the people with the real power like the Koch Brothers, the people who fund Mike Pence, Donald Trump, Clinton, and all the other crooked politicians

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classcucks are so cucked by capitalist ideology that they literally don't have the imagination to see the better future

lol at classcucks who like Reagan

>please pay attention to me, one of my professors at uni told me all these great things about communism and now I have opinions

>Sup Forums doesn't blame (((people with the real power)))
First day?

>current year
>being a commie

lol at this classcuck who thinks Jews are to blame

>current year
>not a commie

poor asians were a lower class of people than blacks in 1940s america and now those same asian families earn far more than the average white family
explain

get purged, faggot

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baka desu

I've been here a long time and I've always known that if you attack one ethnicity amongst the network of global elites you strengthen the whole network

Ironically naming the jew lets them get away with it

Leftism has a better chance of eliminating exploitative power because right ideology is founded on gaining power to exploit

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black adopted children have ~10 lower IQ than white adopted children
explain

>current year
>thinking IQ is a reliable way to measure overall intelligence

poverty has a negative correlation with violent crime in the US
explain

Communism works off the principle of equality in pay and work but not all work is of equal difficulty nor equal value so how would you pay for the workers equally?

This guy gets it

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Lol you literally don't know what communism is
It's when the workers democratically own the means of production, not one man, not the state.

Oi ain't it time fer tea guvner

I'll count the bongs with you I will

percentage of black people in an area matters more than income per family in the area when predicting crime
explain

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>Leftism has a better chance of eliminating exploitative power because right ideology is founded on gaining power to exploit

Made me think, but nah no. Assholes will be assholes, just deal with them, left or right or the rest. Don't be racist.

alt-right classcucks got tricked into supporting the elites

>democracy in any form

No thanks.

best part of the revolution is you get to genocide whoever you want when youre in power

You have no power here

the question still stands, how do you determine what pay workers get

what would natsocs do with nationalist libertarians

nice try jew boy

those just so statements

I bet you lean heavily on the idea of "human nature"

>who fund Donald Trump

Yes, it's obvious. People who go full 14/88 GAS THE KIKES RACE WAR NOW won't accomplish anything ever, but if you casually mention that 65% of all the banks and media is owned by less than 2% of the population and that they're Jewish, many people will start to mistrust them. You don't even need to mention their ethnicity, just their names (Fugger, Rothschild, Welser, Berenberg...) they'll eventually connect the dots.

Here in Argentina everyone knows that all the media and businesses are owned by Jews (specially Russian and Polish ones, which is kind of weird because most powerful kikes are German), it's common knowledge. Most people don't see it as something bad, of course, but at least we're a step ahead.

shut up untermensch. collaborate peacefully or get gassed

That would be determined by the workers as a collective. Look up worker co-ops to get a sense of how it is done in a market society.

Jesus, ze hebben nu ook al internet in Oost-Groningen?

Dit is het einde van het internet.

I just moved here for uni. I only have a very basic understanding of Dutch so far.

But in communism EVERYONE is equal, am I correct?

It´s poor people and rich who are bullying media-class workers.

Being poor don´t make you a saint, you would cry knowing how many blacks wouldn´t care if you or your children starve to death as long as they can leech welfare.

Nice. An unironic Judeo-Bolshevik. It's time for the KZ.

Je moet terug.

house of morgan is a great example of a gentile family that weilds extraordinary power

If what you're fighting is power, then say so. If you're just a bigot and don't care if Gentiles exact rents etc then fuck off forever

what if the workers collectively decided to allow one person to manage the operation for efficiency purposes

Everybody has a say in their workplace. They are equal in the eyes of the state/law, unless the society is an-com, in which case, there is no state or law.

How could you know?

>Not knowing that leftists intellectuals from all over Europe have admitted that communism has killed 100 million people at a bare minimum.
>equating the fight against communist insurrectionists with the economic system of capitalism, which has lifted a billion people out of poverty in Asia.

but we already have that

Koch Brothers are not Jews.

As long as that one person answers to the workers, then that is fine.

you don't understand user
everything that has ever been tried ever is capitalism
communism has never been tried
also any human progress ever has been despite capitalism

capitalism kills people too and communism lifted the party elites out of poverty

So basically capitalism and communism are the same

It isn't a worker's revolution when blacks do it, m8

Who is forcing poor people to abuse their children, beat their spouses, use addictive drugs, waste their meager savings on trivia, and engage in violent crime?

Are you saying that these 'problems' are not their own fault, and that they have no responsibility for the consequences of these type of actions?

If you can successfully and logically explain how being poor absolves one of personal responsibility, then I will join your commie revolution.

This is a red herring. People of all classes fall victim to the mentioned

Did the Liberals let you out of your gimp closet?
Aaawww.

>make the jump

How? What would you have us do? Are you promoting a violent revolution or a democratic revolution? Assuming 'we' take power, what will you do then.

If you cunts had any semblance of a plan you'd have some support. But all you can do is point out problems and smugly claim 'wouldn't happen under socialism'.

How about we start easy. What is the single biggest issue that concerns you in politics today. How do we address it?

Let's play a game. I list capitalist atrocities, and you list communist ones. I'll start:
What is the Belgian Kongo and the mess of states left after?
What is British India and Pakistan?
What is the Iraq War?
What is the Yemeni Civil War, and the US supporting Saudi bombing campaigns on civilian targets, during a famine?
What is De Beers?
What is the 1973 CIA funded coup of Allende in Chile?
What is the Contras in Nicaragua?
What is violence and regime change in the Honduras?
What is the genocide of Chinese people in Indonesia?
What is the Vietnam War?
What is the CIA funding of Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge?
What is the Syrian Crisis and the Pentagon funding one side, while the CIA funds another?
What is Conflict Minerals?
What is the Irish Potato Famine?
What is the 1954 Guatemalan Coup d'Etat?
What is Koch Industries bankrolling the Nazi oil industry?
What is Allied Powers supporting the Tsarists during the Russian Civil War?
What is the continued occupation and bombing campaigns against the Palestinian people?
What is sex trafficking in Eastern Europe?
What are the lies and corporate greed that led to the 2008 crash?
What is the Libyan conflict?
What is fracking and the contamination of water sources?
What is the entire oil industry?
What is the lobbying of government by companies like Haliburton, owned by Dick Cheney, to go on with perpetual warfare?
What is child labour in Asian countries and the Industrial Revolution?
What is Foxconn?
What is Exxon Mobile covering up their data on climate change?
What is the private prison industry?
What is the lobbying of the health insurance industry and big pharma against marijuana and single payer health care?
What is asbestos?
What is lead contamination in the water of many US cities?
What are the Drug Cartels?
What is police violence in the US?
What is leaded gasoline ( www.motherjones.com/environment/2016/02/lead-exposure-gasoline-crime-increase-children-health )?

Gtfo Sup Forums you little marxist faggot

>Leftism has a better chance of eliminating exploitative power
Even though it hasn't. USSR and China sure aren't exploitative, thank god for leftism

I don't like their dissociative tactics and the fact that they try to sneak into societies just to form nepotic cults within them. A lot of jews here have adopted common argie names but they can't help but being filthy jews over and over again, one crypto-jew journalist even fist-fighter an arab buninessman on live TV.

What's worst, BLM and such movements blame all white people for things for which jews would have to atone, like slavery and usury. Not that they should "apologize", I'm against that retarded rhetoric. At the end of the day, jews just want their people at the top, and so do I, but their schemes need to stop, they've done too much damage.

Make me, cunt.

How many of them were done in the name of free-market transactions, my friend?

electoral reform to break up the parties and lobbying reform to break up the government-industry corruption is step one

Capitalism does not prevent the formation of worker co-ops

Communism must prevent the formation of private businesses, historically by force, concentration camps, and summary execution by secret police or mob

why?

BECAUSE COMMUNISM CANT COMPETE WITH PRIVATE BUSINESS

Private business is better, which explains why Marx's workers revolution didn't take place in industrialized economies like he predicted, it only happened in agrarian backwaters like russia and china

Incorrect. The behaviors described manifest at a substantially lower rate as income and amenities level increases, in the USA.

Even if someone suffers from a lack of personal security, does this absolve them of the blame for abusing their children, engaging in alcoholism, or committing violent crime?

Answer the question, commie.

>current year
>Thinking China and the USSR ever were commnist

Bolivia is growing quicker than all other South American economies with a socialist president

Free market is a myth. It can only exist if everyone is dead

this is the ultimate shitpost
damn...

Another /leftypol/ thread...
Guys if you wanna debate I'd recommend you guys go to 8pol
Even they know that half hand is just here for some laughs and feels but no real discussion.

Do you believe that people have ultimate free will?

The character limit is far too short to post the list of 100 million lives ended by failed communist states.

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not an argument

Capitalists backed the fascists who eliminated most of the worker coops leading up to ww2

So your premise is highly flawed and there is a great deal of historical evidence to support that fact

This.

More lives have been killed by capitalist states

>Bolivia is growing quicker than all other South American economies with a socialist president
That happens when you hit rock bottom, you can only go up.

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Fuck off. If you want to seriously talk about this then start hereOtherwise you're just fucking sliding.

Answer my question. Do poor people have personal responsibility for their actions, or not?

Do you acknowledge that despite economic circumstances, any individual still can make decisions about how they treat other individuals around them?

I know that 'personal responsibility' is a trigger phrase for whiny commies, but lets see if you can formulate a response without having a breakdown.

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Key word is "state" the "state" is inherently an enactment of force. Force is what established and maintains it.

Finally, now we are cooking

If by party elites in regards to capitalism you mean billions of people yes.

Why would you study in a capitalistic and oppresive country like the Netherlands, comrade?
You should have went to Venezuela, Zimbabwe or N.Korea.

I'd agree on both of these both where you are and where I am. But that's not the kind of thing OP has in mind. All you'd find there would be the echos of Marx talking about workers revolution with the ghost of Stirner protecting the brain from any independent thought. Though I'd love OP to prove me wrong.

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alright cool, well, i mean, that's not the popular position of people who get payed to study that sort of stuff, and hasn't been for at least a good while

i mean, i take a bit of a radical position towards it and i argue punishment and jail shouldn't really be a thing, mainly because i don't think people should be able to take complete responsibility for their actions, or at least the consequences of their actions. it comes down to an intention thing, if the poor steals bread because he can't afford any and has to feed his family, are we really to punish him, when it isn't completely his fault he's in such a situation? lots of stuff in life are down to luck, i'm lucky i was born to a pretty well off family and because of that i'm able to go to good schools and get a good education which means i'll be more likely to succeed in life, but not everyone gets that same opportunity, some people are raised in absolute poverty and their only way of living is by doing illegal stuff, are we to blame them for it?

gang culture is a really complex problem, the history of african americans in the united states has led to this, but are they to be blamed for history, when the ruling class is at fault for enslaving them and holding them back?

if racism is founded on the belief that blacks are inherently inferior to other races, where does this belief come from? that blacks are more likely to commit crime even though they're also much more likely to be poor thus leading them to be more likely to commit crime and thus being more likely to be poor and so on... It's a vicious cycle, and is a good representation of the marxist base and superstructure model at a microlevel

basically, people aren't completely at fault for what they do, while yes they can choose not to commit crime, we don't know what problems would have arised if they didnt such as they dont get the money to feed their family and/or pressure from surrounding peers leads to an unhealthy mind state

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i think a big argument for free will, sartre's radical freedom, plays heavily on this actually, in that you could choose to do something else, even if this means something completely worse. like, if you were told to choose between a red button or a blue button, and both of those lead to undesirable outcomes, and if you didn't, you'd be shot. you can always refuse to press them, even if it means you'd get shot in the head, but i don't think that is in most peoples interest

so yes, people are sorta free, but at the same time, people don't know the entire scope of their choices and what they mean, which is what leads to people doing bad stuff, and so basically they're not completely free

Dude just fuck off back to /leftypol/ Jim already made one of you guys look autistic as fuck. Oh and don't even make me go into Xixizy.

because you're trying to make an absolutist argument when we've seen that throughout the ages wealthy people rarely take personal responsibility for their actions, so if you're insisting on this subject it does not reflect well on the others

It's a red herring designed to move the argument away from class struggle and economic exploitation

>We need to put tariffs on China even though they are the biggest exporter and we are the biggest importer

Absolutely nothing wrong with this statement

mises.org/library/what’s-driving-bolivia’s-booming-economy
read and stop being autistic

Wrong. Typical deluded commie.

This is why nobody respects you.

You don't believe in personal responsibility.

You fail completely to acknowledge the role your ideology has in the uncountable number of atrocities that took place in failed communist states, over the past 100 years.

Do you understand on any level, that its not necessarily the basic ideology that is the problem, it is the historical results of nations adopting that ideology, that gives people pause?

Advocating for communism is advocating for organized mass murder.

It's a tough sell nowadays. Not that you even realize it, because you are a whiny, deluded commie.

lol you just listed a state capitalism, a liberal capitalism, and a fucking monarchy

The Netherlands has a strong socialist party that allies itself with the labour parties and the Pirate Party

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Is autistic the new word for jew?

>Xixizy

An 18 yo who they bullied of the board for getting BTFO when nobody else there was even interested in participating btw.

As I said, they're great at offering critique but solutions? Not so much.

>using the state to eliminate competition
>capitalism