What is it with Sup Forums not having the same emotional effect as Sup Forums...

What is it with Sup Forums not having the same emotional effect as Sup Forums. Are animators and writers too scared to make mean spirited cartoons?

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The writers aren't soo scare about it, but the networks don't leave them do risky things such as a mean spirited cartoon, because the important thing here is sell many toys.

Image related: McHale wanted leave Wirt in the unknow but it was supposed to be a happy ending too.

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>this

Mean spirited stuff, on Sup Forums, means adult animation, and that's usually just for laughs.

a guy gave you the link in the last thread

Sometimes less is more
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Your two points don't really go together. OtGW is not a very heavily merchandised series.

The real reason they don't want to take risks is angry letters from stupid people, which in the social media age is worse than ever. A single big online pogrom can ruin many peoples' careers over little or nothing. Their fear is reasonable.

>Image related: McHale wanted leave Wirt in the unknow but it was supposed to be a happy ending too.
If true (highly doubtful), it just means he didn't understand the point of his own fucking show.

Wirt grew through his adventures, to the point that he could finally get over his severe confidence issues which were basically crippling him from being with the girl he liked, among other things. Greg, meanwhile, also grew in his adventures, finding out what it means to be a leader (like Wirt normally has to be for the two of them), and make sacrifices.

Leaving one of them behind would have made the entire journey utterly meaningless, not to mention also implying that it's okay to remain with an illusion (as represented by Beatrice in particular).

>he didn't understand the point of his own fucking show
This is taking Death of the Author to extreme cases

Death of the Author is just the critic community trying to give everyone a participation award.

>it just means he didn't understand the point of his own fucking show.

There is a clash of ideas in OTGW when we talk about Wirt development, they aren't necessarily hole-plots but there is something like a conflict of ideas.

While the series show us Wirt saying "we have to go home" many times, McHale comics (completely canon) and extra content show Wirt's opinion of the unknow like an good place to live, an ideal place, a site where he fits better. "A place with transparent people who appreciate the opaque (Wirt)"

He talks about how transparent and good are the persons in the uknown but it seems like the author antagonize the real world. Wirt thinks that people who are very friendly commonly hide their real intentions and he says that he doesn't trust in them, according to McHale the halloween disguises are a symbol to say us that people never show how they really are (he use Sara like an example, saying that Wirt doesn't really know her, she is just a highschool crush, Wirt is in love with a disguise), this is really strange because episode 9 where we can see the real world corresponds to the floor of the hell "Fraud".

Then... the series says that Wirt is a paranoid guy but McHale says that Wirt point of view is probably correct. Then are these guys so good as they seem (Wirt's classmates)?

McHale seems to have an inclination for the ending where Wirt stays in the unknow because according to him this would be a happy ending too "it's not about life or dead [...] it's a thing of preferences" and he express many times why Wirt likes the uknown but he never says why Wirt could prefer the real world (the series never explain it neither).

Ironically this ending with Wirt staying in the uknown fits more with The Divine Comedy where Dante and Beatrice go to heaven but Virgil (Greg) is left behind and Dante feels sad about it.

Maybe the network changed it because... heh, well Wirt is dead in this ending and kill a main character would be very edgy.

>Your two points don't really go together. OtGW is not a very heavily merchandised series.

Well they were in fact separated comments, I just talked about the second one because people tend to think that Wirt staying in the uknown is a "bad end" but McHale says the contrary. But still there is a limit that the networks doesn't like cross and kill a main character (with good alignment) is part of that line.

People could accused them of show the death like a good thing or a shit like that.

Hehehe... participation award, I like it.

this is so fucking accurate I'm using it

I am so sick as a writer having some mealy-mouthed internet shotput cheerfully scream "DEATH OF THE AUTHOR" every time they feel the need to fanfic their awful take on a story

You're not a critic, you fucking suck at writing, you have no idea what you're saying, just cram your trap and write your cheap fanfic like a good little fandom hoodlum

Oh wait no you won't even do that because 90% of these losers aren't motivated enough to even write bad porn

because americans dont care about quality animation or plot

I'm not really convinced by this "Wirt was meant to die had it not been for a studio mandate" theory. I never got the impression that Wirt ever wanted to stay other than when he is tempted to escape from his real world problems. Relying on extra comics to fill that gap in character motivation is sloppy, to boot. What about Sara and Funderberker, who are constantly referred to throughout the series? Especially when it later turns out it's just Wirt freaking out, and almost every human is surpirisingly laid back; leaving that thread loose by having Wirt escape from his issues into the Unknown doesn't feel as satisfying as bringing it to a close.

Either way, this is like those "Zootopia shock collars" discussions. Sure, it sounds more mature and profound at first glance, but sometimes a lighter ending makes for a better experience.

>people tend to think that Wirt staying in the uknown is a "bad end"
Well I can see why networks and parents may not like it. Nobody wants to be accused of encouraging runaways.

>you have to make something meanspirited to affect people emotionally

>I never got the impression that Wirt ever wanted to stay

That's because the series cut the episodes where we can see that (because the comics that McHale wrote was supposed to be episodes, only 2016 edition is canon), then it makes it seems like he dislike the unknown. But Wirt in the comics is completely IC because McHale wrote it. For Sara makes a positive reference to the uknown too.

Well when we talk about Sara... she is not that important to Wirt's plot, even McHale substract importance to her, she is just a highschool crush that he doesn't know and that can be easily replaced even for Lorna (Wirt develop a crush for her in just one day), she is probably inspired in a character of the Divine Comedy, a girl to whom Dante writes poetry "to deny his feelings for Beatrice", Wirt real problems are more like a family matter, his father is dead, he doesn't like his stepfather and he dislike Greg (probably because he feels displaced by him).

How I said before the series show us Wirt like an insecure boy, but McHale show him like a person who is probably right about being suspicious, probably their classmates are not that good since they are all in "Fraud". (The funny thing is that I think that Jason is not wearing a halloween disguise)

Are saying that you prefer the "fight for your dreams" plot of Zootopia over the "Shock Collars" plot? Anyway like McHale said "it's a thing of preference" he prefers the original ending (Wirt staying in the uknown) and the Network prefer the ending with Wirt returning home.

Second comment: Now that we are talking about Sara... it seems like McHale doesn't really like her too much, at least not like Wirt ship, even "For Sara" has more references to Beatrice that her (romantic thing in middle) and how Sara is just a highschool crush is hard to think that McHale wanted make her important in this aspect or any aspect.

Am I talking with a tumblr guy?

>he asks in a thread about a tumblr nose show full of reddit spacing

what is reddit spacing?

>original Zootopia

We were going to have such amazing emotional rollercoaster, that polar bear scene alone gives you so many feels you can't even count them:

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But nooo, Disney can't scare children anymore. That would be bad for their reputation. We got some cute cuddly movie about animal puns and "muh stereotypes".

Fuck Disney and their lack of balls which prevented them from finishing this movie.

>Are animators and writers too scared to make mean spirited cartoons?
why would you want to?
those are often the most absolutely hated episodes of all time, to say nothing of a series dedicated solely to sadism

literally nobody wants a "bendy: the TV show"
they arent scared to make it, they are smart enough to realize it is dumb

It could have been the best Disney movie in, huh, I don't know, twenty years? But now it's another "fight for your dreams" movie with another "women can do it!" message.

PS: Do you know what is "reddit space"?

>If true (highly doubtful), it just means he didn't understand the point of his own fucking show.
Imagine actually writing this shit down.

I think the reason is because in the west there's not as much animation that targets adults and nowadays most people think kids don't want feel upset. If there were more adult animation I think things would definitely be different.

I generally judge media based on what is actually in it, not what the people who worked on it say is supposed to be in it. I suggest you adopt that too.

it's when you space your lines

like this

if you're not a retard it shouldn't bother you

A better question would be: Why Sup Forums thinks mature = mean spirited ?
"The secret of Nimh" was very mature and not mean-pirited at all.

Yeah but actually saying that the creator doesn't understand his own shows how fucking out of hand this Death of an Author mentality is

>Sup Forums not having the same emotional effect as Sup Forums
IT'S LIKE WE'RE DIFFERENT FUCKING BOARDS OR SOMETHING

The West has a population of like a billion people, Japan has a tenth of that.

>Sup Forums not having the same emotional effect as Sup Forums
Stop reading exclusively superhero garbage. There is plenty of emotional attachment is Sup Forums media. It just isn't very common in the most cheaply produced cartoons, much like how Kira Kira Precure of Baruto don't exactly provide deep emotional attachment to anything. They're made to sell junk, not for good writing.

Good example

>What is it with Sup Forums not having the same emotional effect as Sup Forums.
How far up your own ass is your head?
>Hur duh the west has never made an emotional animated cartoon/movie before.
Fuck off.

Oh. thank you very much. It's dumb.

>reddit spacing
this is a new level of stupid paranoia.

You got a point here.

I don't know man, it seems like authors understand or the networks understand for animation for adults stories with high sexual content or really obscene situations more than a show with a complex story.

>How I said before the series show us Wirt like an insecure boy, but McHale show him like a person who is probably right about being suspicious, probably their classmates are not that good since they are all in "Fraud".
Why should we take them disguising parts of themselves as a sign that they're 'not good'.
Dealing with people, every one having multiple aspects to a personality, is just an important part of life, and can often be rewarding as it is saddening.

Staying in the unknown might be the fanciful ending but facing reality is still the good one.

>"The secret of Nimh" was very mature

A children's book though. Let's not confuse a serious story for kids as real adult animation.

The difference is, anime are made to entertain and move you, cartoons are made to instill liberal values in children/reinforce liberal values in adults.

>Why should we take them disguising parts of themselves as a sign that they're 'not good'.
Because Wirt says that people who show themselves like very good persons usually hide their real intentions. Then "good people" in disguises are clearly liars or people who don't wanna show how they really are specially because and their place in the floor of the hell "Fraud" give them a negative connotation. In McHale version Wirt is talking something with sense since the point of view of the story not being paranoid about it.

It's not a thing of differents personalities, it's about being honest, people in the real world aren't honest and that's because Wirt doesn't like interact with them. He is lonely but it's not exactly a problem to him since he don't want have relationships with them. He literally says "I don't wanna be part of the life of others persons".

It seems like Wirt is only disposed to be friends with people like Fred who is unnable to lie (He is calle "The Honest Fred") and Beatrice whom he likes because she always express her opinion about the people even if this is a bad opinion (ironically she is shy when it comes to express her good opinion of him). "I have never feel uncomfortable around you" -Wirt

Both of them are supposed to be happy endings and good endings, but the original one seems to be where Wirt stays in the unknown and the author prefers it.

The USA is where art goes to die.

That is actually Canada.

>Death of the Author is just the critic community trying to give everyone a participation award.
That's how I always felt about racial pride groups of any kind.

An author not knowing shit about his own material happens all the time - just look at Paul Verhoeven and his adaptation of Starship Troopers.

Paul Verhoeven knew exactly what he was doing you knob.

>makes fascist regime a utopia
>"it's a parody of fascist ideals"
Sure he did.

>utopia
>shitloads of troops killed on Klendathu by bad intel
>whole war fabricated for no reason other than to conquer bug territory and take the heat off the government for not being able to stop the meteor strike
>Dougie Houser dressed up in a fucking SS uniform in the end and rejoicing that the enemy has learned to fear them rather than using his psychic powers to see if there is a way to communicate and maybe end the war without more human casualties

It's not my fault people were too fucking dumb to see how shit their world was, the thing was intentionally shot like a propaganda movie.

The war against the bugs was a good thing, user. To make an omelette, you have to crack a few eggs
>brings the people together
>fixes overpopulation
>provides jobs for guys like Rico with no idea what to do with their lives
>defeat a menace
>show prime Dina Meyer tiddies

They cracked millions of eggs on the first drop on Klendathu and wasted god knows how much money on innefective hardware to outfit their troops instead of colonizing planets outside of already known bug territory.

If your space faring world government society still has an overpopulation problem that just means that your society was shit to begin with for not solving that crap ages ago.

No money was wasted outfitting troops, they got standard issue weaponry from before the bug menace was engaged. Also, it was efficient - Houser showed how to easily take down a bug with an assault rifle.
As for the overpopulation thing, that's why you need to squish potential enemies like the bugs, or they'll take your real estate around space.

>anti-war allegory by veerhoven
>ridiculous over the top violence and pointless hollywood tactics slaughtering millions for superficial gains
>all of it dressed up patriotically and heroically
i refuse to believe that there exist people who can somehow justify a war in a setting touched by paul verhoveen

Its space fucker. You can go literally any direction.

You ever read the Forever War? You gotta go out of your way to actually have a space battle. That shit has to be scheduled.

>no goy, you shouldn't attempt to fight a people who have caused major destruction and death to a city of your people!

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>Another ending was… to leave Wirt in the Unknown and only Greg gets back. But… it just seemed cruel and uncomfortable to split them up in the end - plus it didn’t really show Wirt’s full arc of learning to accept his responsibility of being a brother.

The "bug" meteor that annihilated Buenos Aires was apparently launched from the other side of the galaxy from the bug homeworld, which would have required it to move through all of the galaxy and somehow hit earth from with pinpoint accuracy at speeds impossible to calculate.

It was a false flag from the beginning you poor deluded tool.

Arachnids can't melt steel beams.

>he sides with a species that can't evem think independently
How embarrassing!

But user, I'm arguing against the fascist drones of Starship Troopers earth.

How hard did you tip your fedora when you wrote this?

Family guy is pretty mean spirited cartoon now, it not good one though since the writers do not know how to write main characters who are horrible people .

Didn't see a lot of arguing against the evidence presented in the movie showing that earth is a shithole, mostly just weakass personal attacks directed at a bunch of lines of text on a screen.

>defending your way of life against an aggressor makes you a fascist drone

>tfw actually teared up watching this

>aggressor
The meteor only crashed into earth because Carmen was an idiot and smashed into it, throwing it off course. The bugs never launched a chunk of rock all the way from across the friggin galaxy to hit a tinyass planet like earth.

If they had that kind of accuracy and firepower they would have wiped out mankind ages ago.

The only initial instances of bug on human violences was the slaughter on Fort Joseph Smith, and that was cause some idiot religious zealots decided to build their new outpost in well known Bug territory.