>Run lasts 24 years w/supplementary comics
>Cancelled over fucking Twitter
>In part 3 of a 4-parter
>No final issue, no conclusion, no editor's notes, just gone in 5 minute
>The blood hadn't even splashed across the walls before IDW swooped in and stole the license
Has ANY comic gotten screwed this hard before?
don't forget how one of the best minis the series has ever had got cancelled 2/3 of the way in.
What, Knuckles?
He's talking about Mega Drive.
Mega Drive, you cuck.
>Has ANY comic gotten screwed this hard before?
Blue Betel?
It never really recovered from the new 52.
Did they make a new Blue Beetle which permanently erased every Blue Beetle character from existence on the penalty of law?
It ended on a retelling of the first milestone issue after wrapping up the reboot' s first big arc.
You couldn't have gotten a better ending if you tried. Even Mega Man got worse.
Yeah, it ended at the best possible time to be honest. I rather it be then than in the middle of some other arc.
I'm almost positive IDW will release Mega Drive #3 once they get things going. Considering the first two issues led to Tyson Hesse animating the Mania intro, I have a feeling Sega will want to get it out.
If they release all the Archie issues... all of them... Would Penders sue? Because he recently said "Just sold the last issue of Sonic 103. You won't find it anywhere else." You can still download it illegally but still...
No rereleases. Ever.
>>No final issue, no conclusion, no editor's notes, just gone in 5 minute
More like "gone in five months". Did you forget about the half-year hiatus where no comics were being published and Archie wouldn't make a statement about whether the book was cancelled or not (even though we all knew it was)?
>I have a feeling Sega will want to get it out.
Okay, try to comprehend this, please:
Sega.
Doesn't.
CARE.
>I have a feeling Sega will want to get it out.
I can guarantee you Sega does not give a single solitary fuck about completing a mini series from a publisher that screwed them over multiple times. More than that though, it probably doesn't benefit IDW. How would you even sell that? "Oh here kids, now you can complete the story from our competing publisher after they shitcanned it!" It's just not going to happen, m8. Let it go.
Best you can hope for is Hesse and Ian collaborating on a conclusion to the mini series some time in the future, if they even can, legally. I don't know how Mega Drive factors into the lawsuits, if it does at all.
Almost everything good pre-reboot got a trade paperback. The best arc of the reboot got one too, I believe. The only casualties here are a few minor stories, RtAI (STILL mad MXYL got reprinted but this didn't), the post-reboot and Universe. WAY better than most comics get it.
They could just sell Megadrive as a full book under IDW instead of just the last issue.
By selling all three issues together as an original graphic novel.
I mean, maybe? That's assuming contracts would allow it. I'm not woke on legal shit when it comes to comics.
>Sonic: Genesis/MegaDrive
>Collect GoaH and MD with their conclusions.
>Advertise the never-before-published material.
Right now, every issue of the main series and the first 21 issues of Knuckles can be purchased digitally on Comixology. I have no idea if they will stay there or not.
Any rereleases of the post reboot issues should be fine if Sega and IDW decide they want to but anything from before that is probably a no go.
If Sega doesn't care, we wouldn't still be getting a comic. They would've ended it with Archie and then say "never again".
>How would you even sell that? "Oh here kids, now you can complete the story from our competing publisher after they shitcanned it!"
Release part 3 as a one shot. Release a trade with all three parts a few months later. Copyright is not an issue because it all goes to Sega the instant their contract with Archie ended.
Archie doesn't own anything regarding the comics they put out. Sega had their stuff reprinted by Panini without even telling them.
>Copyright is not an issue because it all goes to Sega the instant their contract with Archie ended.
Just as an example on that. When IDW got the licenses to some Cartoon Network shows a few years ago, they released trades of older Cartoon Network comics from the 90s and early 2000s that were originally released by DC. The Pendering is a special case but typically, everything goes back to the licensor and can be handed off to someone else if they see fit.
They could even reprint the original miniseries if they wanted to. It's just Penders and Fulop's content they have to avoid.
>Sally is kill forever
Again nothing of value was lost
Archie fags where Sallyfags and i am glad they are DELETED.
>If Sega doesn't care, we wouldn't still be getting a comic.
I didn't say Sega doesn't care about having a Sonic comic period. That would be silly. The difference there is that IDW is a clean slate free of all the baggage from Archie. The point I was making is that Sega likely doesn't want to touch anything even remotely related to Archie again. I would love to be proven wrong, but knowing Sega I have my doubts. I feel like IDW is just going to be a clean break from Archie entirely, mini series included.
>Sega now owns everything Archie did
Well then that's different. If Sega gives enough of a shit to do it, or someone at IDW pushes for it, then sure, maybe we'll get Mega Drive completed. I just wouldn't hold my breath for the above reasons.
Yeah I was going to ask if anything similar happened before. That's good to know then.
>It's just Penders and Fulop's content they have to avoid.
...Until the next nobody from Archie's past comes out of obscurity and files a lawsuit, and whoops! No original copies of the contracts! And whoops! Already legal precedent due to past courtroom defeats! And whoops! Sega is right back where they started but now IDW has been dragged into the Archie shitstorm.
No, dude. Every single thing even remotely unique to Archie is going to be offlimits. The legal bullshit has essentially rendered that entire era toxic and untouchable because there's too much risk.
They're unlikely to touch anything pre-2005 again, but anything after that without Ken or Scott's characters is fair game. Possibly only stuff with no pre-2005 characters sans the adaptation characters depending on how safe they're going.
>Sega will want to get it out.
You gotta be fuckin kidding me. You think a Japanese business gives a shit about a comic that sold less than 10k units a month, with a cast that was 80% non-game characters, that didn't promote their products beyond the "Sonic" brand name being on the book, and was written in a language they can't even READ?
No, curb your autism for five fucking seconds and THING. Sega never gave a shit about the Archie comic, they only cared that the licensing check cleared and it was easy money for two and a half decades. As soon as Archie became a pain in the ass that lost them yen in lega fees, they kicked them to the curb.
They don't give a SHIT about some, quite honestly, low-quality gaijin comic only a few thousand people in another country even fucking read.
Mega Drive isn't explicitly tied to the Archie continuity in the same way a normal issue is. (There are zero references to anything that isn't from a game) Even if Sega wanted to move into something different, you could still release it as a one time thing and then just go from there.
>with a cast that was 80% non-game characters
I'm talking about Mega Drive specifically.
Good. Classic Sonic is the most overrated pile of dung ever created. I am tired of morons going "Sonic Mania totally saved the ENTIRE Sonic franchise globably FOREVER. We don't need anything more than Sonic Mania and Sonic Mania Cheapquels ala Megaman Classic Cheapquels." What an annoying mentality to have.
Anything that hurts the Sonic fantards and I don't mean the autists, but the so called "we appreciate quality" faggots like you find here on Sup Forums is a good thing. And Sonic Boom better end soon. So tired of that shitty show that Sup Forums sucks the cock out of. And just for a bit of blasphemy I never thought Eggman was a good villain. He's shitty regardless of era or medium. He is garbage. He's neither a good funny villain like Nefarious from Ratchet and Clank or a menacing one. At least Bowser is playing along because his schemes are a play so his defeats don't matter much. Eggman just gets his ass kicked all the time like a loser.
And I hope Sonic Forces brings Sonic back to being a laughingstock of the gaming industry. Fuck you guys and twats.
>IDW picks up cancelled Sonic Comic
Worst mistake they ever made. Have they checked Deviant Art to see what the fanbase is like.
Archie comics aborted this dumpster fire 24 years too late.
Sonic fans are the bad type of autists. I mean, all autists are bad people, but these are the DANGEROUS type of bad autism.
Sonic fans are the sort of people who would find out where a writer or artist they don't like lives and then stab them when they step outside to pick up their mail, just because they didn't support their KnucklesxRouge ship or whatever.
Chris Chan is pretty much a microcosm of the Sonic fandom.
It's the same publisher that's making comics of a particular series about multicolored horses. Just saying.
>...Until the next nobody from Archie's past comes out of obscurity and files a lawsuit
Apparently only the writers are a problem, as Scott Shaw's attempted suits went nowhere. And even then it only seems to be writers from before the 00's that they have a problem with, due to nocontractswhoops. Tania, Dawn, Ian, Tracy, etc have been very clear in the past that they do have extremely binding contracts. The only people who could possibly start shit are Mike Gallagher (who has refused to take part in this and wouldnt give Ken the rights to Athair), Karl Bollers (who has a decent career now and has been pretty upfront with the fact that he's way out of the loop and doesn't care), Angelo DeCesare (STILL working at Archie as of a few years ago) and...what, real writers like Dan Slott and Danny Fingeroth? You think they care?
>No original copies of the contracts!
Again, only applies to the above according to the people who worked there pretty unanimously. Everyone from 03 or so on says they have a iron clad contract and everyone from the 90s says they dont and there was a fire (aside from Ken).
>Already legal precedent due to past courtroom defeats!
Except they settled. Once. They literally did it to avoid a chance of a precedent.
>And whoops! Sega is right back where they started but now IDW has been dragged into the Archie shitstorm.
Not really. If they want to play safe they'll only use the 252-on material, but there's no risk in reprinting stuff like the 25th issue or Overdrive.
Three paragraphs just to say "stoplikingwhatIdon'tlike". Do yourself a favor, don't become a writer.
Every run has to stop eventually. Even Sonic's.
Satamfags like Sally. Archiefags hate her.
Well, Conan the Barbarian v1 and Savage Sword of Conan both lasted until the mid-90s, when they got unceremoniously cancelled and replaced with some miniseries of mid- to poor-quality until 2000, when Marvel quietly lost the license
Yeah, offhand I'd say that IDW will reprint it, just not right away. When Disney bought Marvel, my first thought was "Oh neat, now we'll get another reprint of Life & Times of Scrooge McDuck!" and we did... from Fantagraphics, five years after the buyout.
I hate SatAM but I'm ambivalent on her. Most of the problems felt more like writer sockpuppeting than anything, making it easier to dissociate.
Nobody likes Rotor.
>Rage autism: the poster.
Sally has played every possible role and she's always been everyone's least favorite. She's been the damsel in distress and she's been the action girl. She's been sweet, she's been harsh. Nothing ever makes her compelling.
At least rotor, bunnie and antoine had their moments.
If we're talking about Mega Drive specifically, IF they were to do it, I think Sega would want IDW to reprint it and complete the series sooner rather than later, because of Sonic Mania being fresh in people's minds and Hesse's distinctive style reminding them of said game. Also, nostalgia.
It would be nice though. Mega Drive was a really cute series that deserved an ending.
>No final issue, no conclusion
They finished on high note with the Unleashed arc
Battle cuck-u winning caught me off guard. Otherwise the arc was meh
>Sally has played every possible role and she's always been everyone's least favorite.
Citation needed.
Antoine and Dulcy were worse in SatAM while Bunnie, Rotor and Nicole barely existed. I think DeCesare actually made her kinda fun in a few issues.
>She's been the damsel in distress and she's been the action girl. She's been sweet, she's been harsh. Nothing ever makes her compelling.
That's your opinion, not a fact m8.
I wouldn't say compelling, but grumpy pink Sally was ok.
>At least rotor, bunnie and antoine had their moments.
I literally can't think of a single good Rotor story. Sally was overexposed and mediocre-to-bad with a few good moments while Rotor was just there and never had a damn thing to him worth caring about. She'd be the least favorite if Rotor didn't exist, for sure, but he does.
How do they fuck.
Her cooch is organic.
>>Cancelled over fucking Twitter
do tell.
Did you even read the comic? Pink sally was 25 years ago. Rotor's a fat guy with anger issues who everyone likes because he's the only one calling people out on their bullshit.
There's no way you know that.
I read that comic and Knuckles too, way the fuck back. I still have a small stack, including the first 'super special'.
Writer confirmed it.
>Did you even read the comic?
Considering I'm referencing the old writers specifically and a certain point in time as when there was a pretty good Sally rather than saying she's always like that...yes?
>Rotor's a fat guy with anger issues who everyone likes because he's the only one calling people out on their bullshit.
1, no, "everyone" does not like Rotor for talking shit and looking like Marmaduke a few times. 2, Rotor was only fat *and* angry for a very short period. Are you sure YOU read the comics?
>All the best characters are kill while the least interesting characters are the only ones with any hope of returning
Comicbooks should be exempt from legal matters.
Ehh, I think Ian went a little overboard with that kind of world building stuff. Wrote some story-checks he couldn't cash, figuratively and literally. I just didn't care about half of those characters. I think that the only remotely interesting one is Great Battle Kukku (I forget if he's called that in the comics or not) and that's not even an original character. Also, I'm almost 100% sure that the deer characters were designed specifically for waifu and porn purposes. Including Honey the Cat had a similar situation, I suspect. I like the guy well enough but let's not pretend Ian's above this kind of shit.
Less "for porn" and more "because cute struggling girls cause discussion and sales." Nicole became a fan fave when they made her a cute, troubled girl crying in a corner.
Easy about throwing stones in that glass house
>Also, I'm almost 100% sure that the deer characters were designed specifically for waifu and porn purposes. Including Honey the Cat had a similar situation, I suspect. I like the guy well enough but let's not pretend Ian's above this kind of shit.
I think you're just a pervert if that's where your line of thinking takes you
OP doesn't mean that it was cancelled because of twitter, just that the announcement came from a very unceremonious twitter post.
ouch. thanks for the answer.
>before IDW swooped in and stole the license
>Stole
Archie lost the license through their own incompetence. IDW did nothing wrong
>don't forget how one of the best minis the series has ever had
Really? Megadrive was alright but if that's the pinnacle of Archie Sonic then it deserved death
That all looks like over designed Donut Steel tier shit.
>Nothing ever makes her compelling.
Nicole made her compelling. They were perfect together.
Blergh, I am not happy with current state of IDW desu.
Couple of G.I.Joe and Transformers comics were absolute and complete crap lately.
I liked about half of them, and the ones I liked I really enjoyed.
The sisters were well done, Thunderbolt was a bit overplayed but enjoyable, Mordred and Storm are good archetypes, and Battle Kuku is fun. Axel, Tundra and Akhuly were boring and not handled well at all. Abyss and Maw could have been fun but they succumbed to Ian's "I'm FORESHADOWING, wait and see them actually do something later!" disease. Nepthys felt kinda poorly handled and Wendy sucks.
So what's IDW's first Sonic story? Tie in to Mania? Tie in to Forces? Complete retelling of Sonic 1 with more detail like Mega Man? Something Original? I don't think they can just keep going like nothing happened they have to reestablish some things.
Good. Archie not only made a shit comic, but they made fucked sega too. I doubt any company will lend their IP's to Archie after what happened to Sonic. I'm interested in what IDW will do. I hope it's light on plot and doesn't introduce half assed OCs like Archie loved to do.
Why is the sonic fan base such a honeypot for people with crippling autism?
NO OC NO DRAMA SONIC ONLY GREEN HILL ZONE
>Master of foreshadowing in a comic forced to reboot every year
Please kill yourself you fucking trash fire
There was literally only one reboot ever.
As far as characters introduced post-reboot go, I liked Relic, Eclipse, Breezie, Honey, Thunderbolt, Von Schlemmer and Wendy Naugus. Everyone else, I either didn't care for or was indifferent to and I felt that they had brought in too many by the time the Unleashed adaptation ended.
A big problem I had with the reboot is that they didn't start it with a clean slate. It was more like they just took the stuff they couldn't use anymore and threw a bunch of other shit in to replace it. Instead of being a fresh start, they just launched into something already in progress and a lot of the new characters just showed up with the implication that they've been around for a long time. I still don't get why they did it that way.
Anything after the original John Rogers run is pointless.
Probably played it safe a bit so fans of the old continuity wouldn't get scared off
furries attracts them, and then the establish autistic fan base attracts more autistic people. It creates a horrible circle of degeneracy.
There was a major overhaul when he first took over, then when the enchiladas were removed, then when the genesis wave happened, then when the reboot happened and now everything's fucked.
Ok? There was still only one reboot
>only a few thousand people in another country even fucking read.
Did it really sell that low?
Your mincing of words bore me.
The post reboot sales weren't doing so good.
Not as bad as Mega Man but still a noticeable drop from pre-reboot.
What mincing? There was, by definition, one reboot. If we go by your logic then #50 was a reboot too.
And by your logic, there was no reboot.
The only thing that happened was that they removing a large chunk of the cast, they didn't restart the story like a proper reboot. And as everyone but you understands, this happened before.
Holy shit you're retarded
Giving up so easily? Your humiliation is palpable.
>they didn't restart the story like a proper reboot
Everyone's origins were reset and given a new ones. All storylines prior to the reboot were gone and had zero influence from 252 onward. How is that not a story reset?
>he thinks everyone is on his side
>he thinks only one user is calling out his bullshit
If you're bored, then why stay? You do realize that no one is actually convinced of anything by arguments on the internet, right?
>user says there was only one reboot
>"by your logic there was NO reboot!"
Imagine being this retarded.
I've been convinced by internet arguments before.
>IDW stole the license
Wait what?
IDW has a license to make Sonic comics now?
I mean, I would've preferred them to pick up Mega Man. It's perhaps not surprising that they'd pick up Sonic since they could probably get away with selling it to the same audience. I'm wondering if IDW will try picking up any of the old writers and artists for their Sonic run, or if they're sticking with their own crew.
>Sonic fans are the sort of people who would find out where a writer or artist they don't like lives and then stab them when they step outside to pick up their mail
eh if that were true Penders would have been dead years ago
>typically, everything goes back to the licensor and can be handed off to someone else if they see fit.
Does that mean the egg-bosses belong to Sega now?
>Writer confirmed it.
I highly doubt that Sega will ever use it. Penders is still sue-happy and so Sega wouldn't be using any of the characters, even if they did have the rights. They might just re-use the ideas maybe have a chipmunk general, or a series of "Egg Bosses", but they aren't likely to be the same characters at all.
>Penders is still sue-happy and so Sega wouldn't be using any of the characters
But Penders didn't create any of those characters.
They were specifically created to fill gaps in the cast after all the characters Penders claimed he owned were removed.
He'll still find a way to make things miserable if he can, though.
Can you read? He says he's being illogical.
>All storylines prior to the reboot were gone and had zero influence from 252 onward
>Hasn't even read the comic
Ken Penders is 10 times worse then Chris Chan. Especially because his comics were actually published. I've never read sonic comics. Are they worth reading as a 22 year old relatively normal man? How screwed by Penders were they when he sued and got all his characters/recolors rights?
>But Penders didn't create any of those characters.
So?
Even after he settled his lawsuit with Archie, he was perfectly happy to open it back up and start another lawsuit. It was also encouraging other former Archie employees to begin their own lawsuits against Archie over the Sonic arcs they took part in. Sega most likely knew about all this, and it was highly likely a major factor in their decision to not re-license with Archie.
Sega will very certainly want to distance themselves from anything that Archie did with the Sonic comic, even if they did currently own the rights, in order to avoid any chance that a lawsuit might even come close to granting royalties to someone else. The IDW license will certainly have restrictions against using any Archie characters, so don't expect any continuation of storylines or any characters outside what is found in the video games.