IDW Sonic

So how should the comic start?
As a continuation of the Archie comic?
As a tie-in to Sonic Mania?
As a tie-in to Sonic Forces?
As a detailed retelling of the games starting from Sonic 1?
Should it be its own little thing like the Boom comic?
Should it include the SatAM cast or should it only feature game characters? What about OCs?

It sure as hell ain't going to continue from Archie. At this point, it's tainted goods that SEGA wants no part of anymore.

>As a continuation of the Archie comic?
>Should it include the SatAM cast or should it only feature game characters? What about OCs?

I don't think it'd be too weird for the Freedom Fighters to come back. I think they're decently tied to what makes Western Sonic unique and SEGA owns them fully.

I also could see IDW making use of some aspects of the the rebooted Archie canon. According to Ian, Archie learned from the Penders disaster and got paperwork for everything he created. I don't imagine SEGA would be pushing for them to pick that up, but I think they probably could, legally and without any trouble.

>I don't think it'd be too weird for the Freedom Fighters to come back. I think they're decently tied to what makes Western Sonic unique and SEGA owns them fully.
They're not coming back. SEGA's been wanting them gone for years and the only thing that kept them alive was Archie's long-standing contract for their use in the comic (which Archie was always expecting to be broken at any time). Now that Archie's done, the Freedom Fighters and Snively will be fully purged from the franchise.

This.

Considering that even if it went at a snail's pace sometimes, Game/Sega Sonic canon was slowly taking over in the west, especially ever since Sonic Adventure 1. Sega since then always wanted Sonic's world to be as uniform as possible and they just killed the single biggest thing keeping them from making it that way for good.

How about making it like the Genesis Games. Y'know, the only games that were good. The only Sonic media that people liked.

How about that mmmmkay?

>Sega since then always wanted Sonic's world to be as uniform as possible and they just killed the single biggest thing keeping them from making it that way for good.

Sonic BOOM exists.

I get what you're both saying and I've seen that here alot but whats the source on this? I know Ian mentioned they had to negotiate it with SEGA but I think what SEGA wanted gone were the old designs since they were all over the place. BOOM is allowed to exist and create its own characters, but you'll notice they all follow the SEGA design style. I'm still not ready to call time of death on everything specific to the west just yet.

IDW already said they're starting fresh

enjoy your 10 issues

>IDW already said they're starting fresh

Can I get your source?

They should make sonic autistic so he be more relatable to his fans.

>implying it'll reach 10 issues

Sonic sells well because it was a 20 year old series with 20 years of fanbase. And followed Archie's super market shelf sales model.

IDW Sonic is going to flop super hard and be canceled.

>And followed Archie's super market shelf sales model.

Finding Sonic in supermarkets was a recent development.

whatever megadrive was hopefully, with whatever arbitrary design they have to use

Don't care so long as they invent new hot female characters.....whoa I forgot it's IDW. So that means they're going to do shitty unattractive twats for characters and transsexuals (at least going by their TMNT series).

Meh, Sonic is not worth reading. Who cares about a Sonic Comic that has no right to do anything fun? Even without the Sega mandates they would never say, kill off Eggman in the finale. In fact Archie's run ended and they NEVER wanted to kill off Eggman (giving him the new Sonci Adventure design doesn't count as killing off anyone FYI).

As they should. They were never good.

I can't find it, but it was in a twitter post. And it makes sense since Archie got dragged into two lawsuits and starting fresh would stop any bullshit that could happen by bringing back Archie characters.

>Even without the Sega mandates they would never say, kill off Eggman in the finale.
Issue 50

My ass, #41 was in a Winn Dixie when I was a kid.

And they struggled with replacement villains until Sonic Adventure's impending release forced them to bite the bullet and bring back Robotnik via alt-dimension shenanigans.

Yeah, but they still killed him off. Archie just didn't expect the comic to go on for so long. Whining about killing off Eggman permanently is dumb anyway. It would be like Mario taking out Bowser. Never gonna happen

WTF is a Winn Dixie? Some kinda casino on a boat? Theoretically, anyone could carry the book but I hadn't seen it anywhere but comic shops for at least a decade until they started the digests.

The problem is that Eggman has become a Villain Sue. The comics are not the videogames and because of that the idea of killing him off as is expected of a villain is impossible. A villain in a kid's franchise is expected to pay for his crimes, usually by being killed off.

But Eggman in the comics has an immunity thanks to Sega's mandates so he can get away with being the most annoying Gary Stu who does anything and simply because it's not the original medium (the games) he will win out overall. Anyone remember that horrible issue with Sally and everyone beating Eggman and she decides his punishment is to kick him out of her home kingdom? Bitch, this bastard has done so many hideous things in the Archie series that he deserves to be castrated, and then just in case his body is robotic get uploaded with a horrible brain cell killing virus and then deleted and then burned to ensure he stays dead.

Videogame Eggman is a funny goofy fucker and even when he's serious he gets his ass kicked by whatever super being he enlists in his plans. The only time that didn't happen was in Sonic Generations but in those games they had the Saturday Morning style Sonic so in those games Eggman is a big goofball anyway.

Anyway, games Eggman is harmless. Comic Eggman is both immune to all consequences while also being written as doing edgy horrifying things so he's obnoxious.

Your anecdotes are nice, but they sold the comic in several grocers in the early years. Knuckles getting pulled from grocery stores is what Ken blames its death on, even.

Perhaps, and I don't disagree that is WAS sold in general stores in the early days, but had you seen it in a grocery store in the last decade? My point is it seemed to have survived, nay, thrived for about 10 years without those sales until the digests arrived.

>Anyway, games Eggman is harmless
>captures harmless animals to power his machines
>tried to nuke a city because fuck 'em
>blew up part of the moon as a show of force
>fractured the planet
>unleashed several world ending monsters
That's just off the top of my head

>nay, thrived
Ian's run accounted for an uptick in sales compared to his immediate predecessors (ignoring 2005, where they spammed Shadow) before an eventual slow decline that segued into a rather swift drop towards the end.

Ian seems to only be responsible for a slow build in the early years of his run. Otherwise it seems like the sales had a consistent path regardless of writer. To say it "thrived" under him because he temporarily staunched the bleeding is a bit silly.

All I know is many of the creatives said it was doing very well and I'd see people on forums pulling in sales data who agreed and my own LCS said it was a title that sold well.

Nobody said it sold poorly.

It had bigass sales in the 90's. These sales deteriorated over time, especially after they dropped out of supermarkets. Ian correlates to a short sales increase, but overall the book slooooowly bled since they pulled it from grocers: they were the reason it was able to grow/retain readers so fast in the first place.

Archie Sonic sold pretty good for a non-major book, but most of its sales always came from outside the direct market, like bookstores and news stands. It had a DRAMATIC ass drop in 2016 after the early year hiatus lead to tons of book stores to stop carrying it.

The supermarket model is what lead to its initial success and it was always boosted by its accessibility outside of comic shops. Hell, even when they stopped putting the comic in grocers they eventually started doing reprint mags and digests instead.

>As a continuation of the Archie comic?
NO

Winn Dixie is/was a southern based grocery chain. It had sonic as early as issue 4 from what I remember.

In more recent years I saw the books in some drug stores. It may have still been going in wal-marts but never bothered to look at their magazine racks. Bookstores with a comic section always had issues as well.

When I was growing up there used to be a grocery chain called Farmer Jack.

Something like Mega Drive.

Don't bother adapting anything, just jump into some original stories. Like what Mega Man should have done.

Art should closely resemble what the Archie comics established in recent years, or used in the Sonic Mania intro. No more Penders' influence or something experimentally loose.

If it does start from Archie, it should start from where Mega Drive left off. In any case, it should start from the classic adventures. the Sonic Adventure design/stories would be coming of age for coming of age readers

If they have access to the SatAM characters, the main freedom fighters can be a separate spin-off team that joins the actual main characters. An incentive mini-spin-off series could also be a thing

Filler stories and original the characters should be kept to a minimum. If possible, something creatively relevant to the games themselves.

There's just one issue.

If Sega keeps the mandate that game charactwrs have to be static, then that's just the kiss of death to a serialized narrative.

They done it with Boom and it gone along great.

Then it obviously won't be serialized. It'll just be silly one-off stories ala Boom, AoStH, and Archie's earliest issues under Mike Gallagher.

SEGA just wants the comics to advertise their games, really.

>"I WANT IAN BACK ON THE IDW SONIC COMIC, I WANT TRACY BACK, I WANT HERMS BACK"
>"Hey guys great news, we have all your old Sonic favorites on a whole new book!"
>"EW WHY ARE YOU TALKING TO ME GO AWAY"

Can we please stop pretending that people like Ian as a writer? He's written a ton of other stuff that nobody gives a shit about because it isn't Sonic.

I don't gonna lie I enjoyed Ian's megaman and sonic so much than I will check this one
i liked him more in stories cartoony than serious

He is good in fanservice and characterisation at least whit sonic anb mega man

It still puzzles me how the archie book ran as long as it did. By all rights you'd figure it wouldn't last two years let alone two decades. There are marvel books that don't last a quarter of that lengths

>you can't make a good story out of the game characters only

Loving this meme.

>but muh mandates

First off the mandates aren't even THAT restrictive. So Sonic can't "lose" and he can't bawl his eyes out. So what? You get an actually talented writer on board and suddenly those big scary mandates don't matter anymore. Besides, I'm sure tons of writers deal with this arbitrary IP mandate shit all the time and we still get solid stories out of it anyway.

You faggots just need to face the fact that Ian Flynn just wasn't a great writer and he couldn't deal with the hand he was dealt. We can do better. Whether we do or not is up in the air.

What if it's a gag comic with no redeeming values like the mangas?

>As a detailed retelling of the games starting from Sonic 1?

It should be this. All the Archie stuff is dead. Sega took the license because of all the lawsuits. They wont ever go near that shit again

>Start at ground zero. Do a brief arc of Tails meeting Sonic, then immediately go from there like normal.
>Have Eggman rule a majority of the planet like usual, and keep his "silly but threatening and dangerous" personality
>Keep Snively and some of his generals
>Take cues from the recent miniseries by keeping things simple
>Have Metal Sonic be a big event, one of Eggman's major endgame plans
>NO HUMANS
>Limit the fuck out of later characters and stories. For the most part make Shadow and Biolizard the furthest it goes.
>Try introducing some OCs, but nothing obnoxious
>Fuck Orbot and Cubot, have Eggman's bodyguards by updated and powered up versions of Scratch and Grounder

I gotta be honest, if the Freedom Fighters are gone I don't see any benefit to continuing the comic. Unless they go super heavy on Shadamy and I doubt that's gonna happen. But if they do I'm totally in.

>>Keep Snively and some of his generals

No

>Have Eggman rule a majority of the planet like usual
That's not really the "usual" format. Only SatAM and Archie pulled that.

>Take cues from the recent miniseries by keeping things simple
This only works if you don't believe in the comic's future. "Back to basics" is a nice promotional thing once in a while, but the Mega Drive comics would not carry things forever.

Okay, even if the FF and Snively and all preexisting Sonic comic characters are gone, you do realize they'll eventually end up introducing original secondary characters of some kind, right?

They should say they're bringing the Freedom Fighters back and then use the Fleetway guys. So many people would be angry. It would be great

>remove orbot and cubot but keep scratch and grounder
What the diffrense?

Scratch and Grounder are both idiots who try to one-up one another, while only Cubot is the idiot of their group.

But I'd say S&C are much more visually appealing, and keep with the badnik designs instead of modern Sonic's featureless egg-pawn designs.

I suppose I would be crestfallen, but the irony would be quite delicious.
Not nearly as many waifus though.

S&G*
I don't know how Coconuts slipped in there.

Why do people keep pretending this needs to happen. Do you idiots realize how many Sonic characters have been introduced over the years? There's more than enough to work with for a long lasting comic.
>b-but eventually they'll run out--
No they won't. There's a new fucking Sonic game every year or two that introduces a new character or sometimes even multiple.

I wish I could appreciate the joke, but I fucking hate Johnny and Porker.

What if the comic features some new friends created by Sonic Team just for the comic?

Why wouldn't you want Snively?

I dunno. I always like the cyborg Squirrel girl

If you're going to depend on fresh Sonic character introductions, you're going to only get 1 or 2 per year tops. And that's not counting all the years they try to go back to basics like with Generations.

I don't know why you'd trust Sonic Team over anybody else. What was the last character design of theirs that really appealed to you?

>This only works if you don't believe in the comic's future. "Back to basics" is a nice promotional thing once in a while, but the Mega Drive comics would not carry things forever.

Man, I disagree with everything in that paragraph.
Bringing the story back to its most basic structure is the best way to build a coherent world without overloading the stories with too many characters and plot lines. It allows everything to feel important again once they are introduced over time. The difference is that Mega Drive was never striving to build itself up, but it certainly would've been a great building block to do it on.

But if you don't have a giant world with lots of stories, what is there to be invested in? If you want Sonic, Tails, Knuckles and Eggman, then just playing the games is your best bet. If you want to read comics, they need to raise the stakes once in a while. They need to twist the plot around. They need to tell NEW STORIES.

Mega drive is a good promotion. But it is not compelling for a comic to go 10-20 years doing this same format. Page after page of running around a "zone" does not captivate for long.

That was a dude.

I'm not saying never make a large world, I'm saying to start it simple. Introduce new things over time instead of shoving all in at once. One massive issue with Archie's Sonic was how over complicated it would get at random times.

I'm not even saying to do Mega Drive, I'm saying Mega Drive had the right idea to start off simple. It's a good cue to take from, because you can build and make new stories from such a low scale beginning.

Alright, I guess I can agree to that much. Starting from a base of Mega Drive isn't a bad idea.

...Well I have some issues I need to work through now

It's gonna happen because it has happened every damn time, dumbass

Who is your favorite characters from adaptations?

IDW Sonic should be a completely new experience that is not tied to any of the cartoons like Archie was.

It should start like War and Piece.

Before we get to Sonic games adaptations, we must know backstories of Sonic's parents and how Sonic was born in all the details.

Blue arms.

Go back to your ugly drawings, Pendurrs

>NO HUMANS
>But keep Eggman, Snively and the generals
Satamfag, pls.

The generals aren't human. Also Snively works with Eggman well. I mean no humans like in the later Sonic games.

>Implying I like SATAM
I liked Snively's relationship to Eggman in the comics, you faggot. He was the equivalent to Starscream.