Is depression real or just a meme invented by

the pharma industry to have millions of sad sacks of shit buy their useless medicine every 2 months?

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Meme.

Meme

May-May to sell more pills.

It's real, but the notion that you have to toxically retard your brain with SSRIs to cure it is indeed a dysgenics meme

feels pretty real senpai

meme

It can be, but often overdiagnosed, and medication should be a last resort or otherwise strictly temporary. The bast majority would benefit more from quality therapy, exercise, and assistance with issues in their life. But that would take more money, more staff, more appointments and training, and more caring.

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everyone gets sad, some even sad enough to wanna an hero because of chemical imbalances in the brain and shit.

One thing to remember is no matter how bad it gets, you gotta keep living to spite any and all motherfuckers that hate you

(((hormone disrupting chemicals)))

>buy their useless medicine every 2 months?
It's also a nice way to make people passive, and see how well people cope with eating their opinions and thoughts.

That's why lifting is always the cure, fuck drugs

Have you seriously never had something really bad happen to you and get depressed?

>chemical imbalances in the brain
What do you mean, imbalance? By what standards are they in the false?

>because of chemical imbalances in the brain and shit.

There is literally, LITERALLY no evidence that depression is caused by a chemical imbalance in the brain. There isn't even an accepted model as to what a 'chemically balanced' brain would look like.

This

On phone but I agree

Is real. Depression is not a hocus pocus bullshit, it is about chemicals and malfuction in your brain.

Meme.
I am SEVERELY depressed since I was a very young child. I'm literally 100% fine, as long as I kill myself slowly with cigarettes and alcohol instead of jumping.

This helped me more than any medication.

There is a legitimate disease, that strikes regardless of what one's mood should be in a reasonable situation and has been a recorded phenomenon even in the age of magic and demons (e.g. the sloth demon).
Then there is the bulk of the attention-seeking "I was sad because no gf or my bf broke up with me" depression that are prescribed pills to make pharma and doctor more money.
It's important to create a dichotomy between the two.
Unfortunately, I suffer from the former. By all reasonable measures, I shouldn't want to kill myself all of the time or lay in bed when I'm meant to be somewhere but I do. It's an positive feed back loop of despair that will kill you if you don't seek some type of help.

That's the thing. Modern (((society))) has led you to believe this is depression. It's works like a placebo.

That's not depression, it's sadness.

It's not a meme no way in hell is it a meme

It's a meme disease. Depression is a natural state/condition. I am very depressed and I can still function in the world just fine, if not better because of it. People that complain about it are pussies and or retards

>it is about chemicals and malfuction in your brain.
Malfunction implies there is a supposed function for the brain. Now do tell me, dear modernist, what could it possibly be?

It is real. Just because it is overdiagnosed and used as a convenient excuse by lots of sad and/or weak people, you shouldn't go full retard and brush off scientific research and evidence.

Brain scans also show significant differences in the activity across different regions in depressed and non-depressed people.

Read Prozac Nation and The Antidepressant Era if you want a real hardcore fucking red pill

Have whatever stance you want on conspiracy theories about fluoride, but big pharma is absolutely enslaving our entire civilisation

Once you realise just how malleable the drug and diagnosis categories are, how things that are antidepressants today were something completely different when it was convenient to classify them differently, and how fucking SIMPLE it is to get people hooked on them, how EASILY pharma controls the diagnostic and prescriptive processes, on the medical AND the academic side, you will shit your fucking pants

Think about it: What's the purest form of consumer capitalism you can imagine? Take any substance, and then manipulate people's minds, society, and culture to make it so that 90% of the society "needs" that substance.

The pharmaceutical industry has us by the fucking balls, and it can't be stopped because it's not any one big conspiracy. It just "happens" collectively, because it's the most natural, capitalistic thing to do: you control both supply and demand, so manufacture demand and sell sell sell. They all collectively know what they are doing, but it's not a conspiracy. It's just like "why the fuck wouldn't you?"

Think about what this does to a civilization. On a systematic scale you are reducing the population to pill-fed docile cattle, completely dependent on elite structures to dictate their very state of mind, their brain chemistry, what qualifies as "good thoughts."

Naa man, naa

A person's life and interdependencies can totally be reduced to a single chemical reaction.

Don't you believe in SCIENCE?

This. Depression is real, but treatments are often meme-tier.

An addendum: for the people that truly qualify for medication, modern ECT would be more effective and with fewer side effects.

>big pharma is absolutely enslaving our entire civilisation

Antidepressants are still pretty uncommon here, especially in kids.. But autism and concentration pills are spiralling out of control.

Can you please post some new deer? I've made a folder documenting german deerposting few weeks ago yet you keep posting the same shit over and over again.

This.

yes and no

the right names are 'demoralization' and 'apathy' and these are pretty real

for normals its just an alias for "sad" i think, fuck normals anyway

>sad sacks of shit

But depression is a medical term for being sad sack of shit. If depression isnt real than being sad isnt real either

It's sort of real. We just have such a poor language and definitions to describe it. Nevermind that we know virtually nothing about the mind.

I sort of went through it in my early twenties but i thought of it more as alienation. It all depends on the persons mental capacity and trying to understand what is happening to them aswell.

I smoked weed for about 4 years straight, read Jung and did a lot of self reflecting. This may not work for other people but i think most of it has to do with understanding things correctly. I have no sympathy for people who go straight to their doctor for pills or reach for the bottle. They deserve to be miserable from their ignorance, especially in the age of the internet.

Useless?
>100% of mass shooters are on them
>Vets commiting Sudoku
>Dumbing down of our nation
>Addiction
>Death
Etc
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Yes, it's real and has been written about by philosophers since the dawn of civilisation.
Only edgy autists on the internet believe otherwise.

>modern ECT would be more effective and with fewer side effects.

This guy knows what's up. Campaign for demonization of ECT treatments is so fucking obvious it hurts

Its real and only a retard would claim such a well documented and prevalent disease is a hoax, however it is possible to cure it through sheer will instead of giving shekels to the pharma industry

That's a weird dog

>it is possible to cure it through sheer will

That depends on whether depression is reached philosophically or chemically.
You can't will your body into producing chemicals that you need.

depression is real, antidepressants aren't.

also, where can i acquire that special dog?

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>the pharma industry to have millions of sad sacks of shit buy their useless medicine every 2 months?

Depression is real.

But antidepressants are not as useful as they are advertised, and they are overprescribed.

>however it is possible to cure it through sheer will

Don't be a fucking machismno retard with these things. Just go to a legit non-shill therapist who specialises in ego-states therapy or will run you through some ECT treatments.

You'll "sheer will" yourself into a noose

I used anti-depressants for 9 months (very low dose) after trying to cure it through martial arts and weight training for years. Cured it philosophically to the extent that I found a purpose in existence, but I still felt like shit all the time. SSRI's worked perfectly.

Depression is real. Anxiety is a meme though.

If it ain't real then I don't know what is.

>anxiety is a meme
t. someone without it

Depression is an umbrella term for a variety of diseases and dysfunctions in the body and mnd. For example, low dopamine causes a different type of depression than low serotonin. A depression as a result to trauma is diferent too.

Why not just admit that you don't know what you're talking about? We're all anons here, there's no shame involved.

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Anything can make you anxious. Claiming it's disabling you is absolutely a meme.

sadness is not depression

It's as real as alcoholism. The brain builds a habit and then repeats it because that's what brains do

>Claiming it's disabling you is absolutely a meme.

I can do if it's completely irrational and experienced to a profound level.
Happens to soldiers in wars all the time.
Including ruthless killers from special forces teams.

Depression is the gateway between the bluepill and the redpill. You realize the world is full of shit and can't help you. The redpill is realizing power and happiness come from within.

I had a lot of good things happen to me this year, and got really fucking depressed still. That's how you know it for real.

It's a feeling of hollowness and frustrated rigidity difficult to put into language

It's a bona fide meme perpetuated by terrible nutrition and modern technology.

DEPRESSION ITS REAL NOW GO AND BUY SOME PILLS

>The redpill is realizing power and happiness come from within.

>reaching stoicism independently

Based surenderer.

yeah, even animals in farms are on drugs..

le massmedication face

I wish I could be high on opiates all the time. Since doctors are so jewish and won't give me happy pills I have to steal from my dad and live with constant worry that he will find out that I'm taking his pain medicine.

That's called being a slav, brate

Meme started by drug-seeking attention whores in the 60s who were guilty about enjoying sex.

so you think people kill themselves for the luls?

axaxax cyka blyad

It's real when you start taking medication and feel like a human again.

I think its mainly a result of our disconnection from nature including from our own natures

We have built up the mythology of modernity and deep down we begin to suspect its not real but we have nothing to replace it with and feel stuck living in a world without a conceivable future since we no longer have fith in the old predictive model

It's real.
But depending on the country, it can be over-diagnosed and over-treated.
Even countries like Germany are starting to go American-shit-tier in terms of diagnosis.
The boss of a big insurance company recently went public, telling everyone it is common practice for insurance companies to convince doctors to make the diagnosis worse.
A mild depression turns into full blown MDD with heavy meds.

Also some forms of therapies are meme tier. i.e.: Psychoanalysis

Mild meds like most SSRIs can be a useful crutch for the first months of therapy. It just shortens the time for the therapy to take effect.
But only if necessary.
As for stronger stuff: It will be quite obvious, when people need them.
Either way: Antidepressants do not "heal" depression. They alleviate the symptoms, so you can deal with the problem more effectively (or at all).


All that being said: I'm fucking sick and tired of self-diagnosing dicks. Especially the kind who run to their doctor to get the meds and pop them like candy.

>have fith
faith

You have to be a special kind of retard to think it's only situational. It is disabling and fucking hard as hell to deal with. Anxiety is a real disorder you retard.

I was "depressed", but then I realized it's just fucking emotions. Get over it. If somethings annoying you/making you depressed do something about it fag. Happiness doesn't come running.

Cut out xenoestregens and soy. Get some sun and you will be fine.

I saw a meme the other day about how millenials bond over wanting to kill themselves (the joke was that it pointed to an article about scientists being able to extend lifespan and nobody actually wants that anymore).

Practically everyone you speak to under the age of 30 ""has"" ""anxiety"" and/or ""depression"".

Almost everybody in my department at work has taken time off because they're depressed.

If you ask me we're just bored. The internet is an addictive stimulant. Maybe we would be more fulfilled if we created stuff with our friends, new inventions, whatever, but what the fuck hasn't been done yet and besides everyone else ""online"" has done it ten times better because we saw it in that one YouTube video so what's the point, it's not gonna make me any money.

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It's real. I played this game called "Depression Quest" and it really hit home.

I honestly think alcohol becoming less and less socially acceptable is also a major factor.
Try getting anxious about your job, if you are buzzed half the time.

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No. You can force positive thought though.

You can think dude. You think happy thoughts and it gets easier. You are still going to be very depressed up until you start repairing the damage dealt to the hippocampus. You need to try and force new neural paths just like learning anything new.

The pills try and over saturate the brain and honestly end up ruining the natural ability of the brain to feel pleasure in the long run, further compounding the disease in the brain while attempting to treat a symptom.

Like chemotherapy, all drugs target every cell. You might not blow your brains out but you might once you can't feel sex or remember nothing has actually changed.

>Ludwig Wittgenstein
>His teacher Bertrand Russell described Wittgenstein as "the most perfect example I have ever known of genius as traditionally conceived; passionate, profound, intense, and dominating."
>Born in Vienna into one of Europe's richest families
>Three of his brothers committed suicide, with Wittgenstein contemplating it too.

Yea, it's definitely not real

it's real
was known back in history as "melancholy"

It's real, but the way it is treated is completely wrong. There are too many factors that can come into play as to why you are suffering with those symptoms, from an undiagnosed sleep disorder, to a thyroid condition.

The majority is simply because of a high consumption of sugar and lack of minerals in the diet. Sadly most of us consume too much sugar without realizing it and most of us do not get such minerals as magnesium, which serves over 300 biological functions within the body and white sugar acts to deplete this. Is it ever wonder why people feel so dull and shitty?

Being crushed because your mother died, or because you just lost your job is a normal reaction and nothing to do with clinical depression.

I do not buy into the theory as to it just randomly appearing and has to be treated with pills without any actual in depth investigation as to what your serotonin levels are in the first place. Throwing pills at you till something sticks is just quackery and nonsense. SSRI's also depletes folic acid, which causes depression in the first place.

As someone who's dealt with depression I can tell you that it's a feeling of inescapable sadness and emptiness (imagine any feeling you want then imagine that feeling never going away and then you start to consciously believe it will never go away and your mindset follows along)

The only problem with depression is that it, along with any other mental illness, is built off of a resistance to emotional suffering. Once I realized this I was able to get it and now I'm feeling fine and moving on with my life.

tl;dr its real but at meme status because normies are dumb and it fucks them hard

Of course he was contemplating suicide, that was philosophers do. They contemplate things.

>Its real and only a retard would claim such a well documented and prevalent disease is a hoax

This.

Severe and prolonged depression has several noticeable structural impacts on the brain, such as hippocampal and frontal lobe atrophy, possibly explaining why many depression patients also have impaired memory function.

>however it is possible to cure it through sheer will

It really depends on the severity and longevity. Left untreated, it gradually worsens and there comes a point when no amount of willpower will save you. At that point, it really is just about managing the disease and symptoms, because you'll most likely never be cured.

Ignore all the falseflaggers in this thread, Depression is 100% real.

>b-but the jews and the money!

Yeah yeah yeah we all know Jews control the outlet of pricing and meds, but nigga my depression meds cost me 10 bucks with my fucking grocery store insurance.

Go out and get help, believe me, its not worth the suffering.

retards. consider yourselves lucky you never experienced it.

You probably never felt real fear in your life.

>It's a feeling of hollowness and frustrated rigidity difficult to put into language
For me, it was easier to put into words: Imagine feeling everything normally, but you yourself don't feel it.
Like, you are in a good mood and behave as if you were in a good mood, but the good mood is not actually felt by you.
You eat something you like but there's no good emotion associated even though you know that you like the food.
You meet up with people and feel nothing even though your behavior clearly shows that you do.

The end result is something like de-conditioning. Your life is a constant feedback loop of positive and negative reinforcement and depressions remove those reinforcements.
It causes an erosion of the self, until you are just an empty husk that still clings to its old identity but isn't even a person anymore.

And once you are healthy again, good luck relearning being human.

No, it's proof that depression is hereditary. Hence I mentioned his three brothers all committed suicide.

When I Was 16 I told my mum I was depressed because of reasons x y and z.

After going to a psychologist I realised I was just sad because of the reasons and got through them by talking to my psychologist about anxiety managmenet and other shit like that.

It's wrong to associate sadness with a real medical disorder.

tldr; it's overdiagnosed.

Yeah. Great game. I gave it a 10/10

>You can force positive thought though.
That's called positive affirmation and is a sure fire way to make a depressed patient worse.
It only makes them feel like hypocrites.
(Works for everyone else, though.)

>The pills try and over saturate the brain and honestly end up ruining the natural ability of the brain to feel pleasure in the long run, further compounding the disease in the brain while attempting to treat a symptom.
[Citation Needed]
Look dude. There are a lot of very different ADs. Some are hard-core and some are barely "worse" than nutritional supplements. And frankly: For some we aren't even 100% sure as to what they do. That is fine, however, as long as they work. Which most do, if used appropriately.

MDD is "crippling" in the sense that it makes you numb. Any motivation out of the window and any neural rewards ("This is good, do it again") is also out the window. So "forging new neural pathways" become a very grueling process.
This is when it is appropriate to use ADs. So that the patient can do something about their problem and have their actions actually change something.
And on a more intellectual level: It's a good idea for a patient to get a sense of how they would feel "normally". So when they ever have an episode again, they know to just ride the wave and deal with it, instead of indulging in the rumination.

The amount of people in this thread that claim to have depression is enough to make me think it's meme-tier.

Also, at my college, I probably have around 10 people in each class who claim to be clinically depressed. Oddly, the only seem to be depressed when it's convineant for them, i.e., when they've forgotten to do their homework, when they don't want to do their part on group projects, etc.

>tldr; it's overdiagnosed.

This.

The brain is the most complex, and the least understood, organ in our body. Of course thing are going to go wrong with a certain amount of people. It does for all other organs.

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The redpill is the cure to depression

It's real but you'd be a fucking retard to take drugs for it. Prozac is LITERALLY a fucking mind-control drug.

Meme

Modern life isn't structured well for mental health. There's too much access to information and over socializing. Our society praises people for being worthless cucks but deep down they know themselves they are worthless cucks.

That said there are a minority of cases that I think are actually real and god help those poor bastards.