Leave X-men to me

Leave X-men to me

His run sucked though.

ok mr pitbull, DALE am i right hahhaaha

Sadly this.

He started with some great ideas, the execution though was disappointing.

He finally gave us the reason why humanity hates mutant: Sublime

>It was me, SUBLIME!
really great wrtiting there

also his magneto sucked

Wasnt it on purpose?

Professor X, you can walk!

>he's ready

That was Xorn pretendimg to be Magneto.

>ITT: wah why did you make a terrorist a terrorist after 9/11
His run was incredible and Marvel giving X-Fags what they wanted after it was the reason X-Men sucks now

Stop with the forced Zidaneposting already

In Morrison we trust.

This. His run was the last time we had a good mutant book.

Luthor finally defeated a super-group, I see.

Morrison was great and only character fags hate him

x statix came after tho

we had good mutants books as recently as 2012. Gillen's Uncanny X-Men and Spurrier's X-Men Legacy.

The 2000s were the best decade for the X-Men after the 80s.
Now books are bad because:
-Marvel never figured out what to do with the X-Men once the plot that started with House of M was over.
-Marvel doesnt care for the X-Men as much as they used too. Actively tried to damage the brand and replace them with the Inhumans, and only stopped because it failed, while damaging their sales, which scared them into being less petty.
-Marvel doesnt have the talent it used to have in writers, artists, and editors.

>Gillen
>Spurrier

>name character after Fantomas
>Character is actually based on Diabolik

I love Morrison to death but I still don't know what he was thinking there

I don't even like Morrison, but his run was good. It had two big flaws, though:

1. The introduction of wide-scale 'damaging' mutations that are basically just disfigurements. This harms the core concept of the X-Men, because the X-Men is supposed to be about people who are hated for being gifted and special. It also makes the X-Men look like creepy cult when writers who don't acknowledge this have them prevent 'cures'.

2. Magneto at the end.

Despite this stuff, it was still a good run.

>I love Morrison to death but I still don't know what he was thinking there
>I don't even like Morrison, but his run was good

X-Static was a gift.
I kind of liked Kyle/Yost run. Necrosha was fun.

Absolute horseshit.

The entire 2000's period was mostly great. Tight, focused stories with consistent character arcs and tons of charming characters all interwoven into a greater plotline. That's something you rarely see in capes.

Morrison wasn't the last time X-Men were good. He and Whedon paved the way for its best period since the 80's.

Also X-Factor and Uncanny X-Force

>Gillen's Uncanny X-Men and Spurrier's X-Men Legacy
No.

The Morlocks were a thing for decades.

Morrison just made mutants numerous enough to actually work as a minority population.

>PAD and Grimderp X-Force

Even Morlocks for the most part had powers that were actual powers. Like, they did something. Morrison introduced mutants who simply disfigured/crippled with no upside whatsoever.

How is that a bad thing?

X-Force/X-Statix was during and ran slightly longer.

Excuse me?

That's because Morrison based FantoMEX on the MEXican comic version of FANTOmas

An anarcho-socialist anti-hero

There's a copypasta about this.

I don't fully agree, in that I don't agree that Morrison was a 100% negative influence. But I do agree with this specific point about mutations that are absolutely, no upsides, a complete horrible curse.

We have had some good X-Shit since, as other people in this thread have mentioned (Spurrier's Legacy, Milligan's X-Statix and PAD's X-Factor being personal favorites of mine), but the status quo and overall story of New X-Men has yet to be reached.

It was just such a major step forward for the franchise. The hated & feared minority stand-in message had been run for decades, there wasn't much more room to play with there, as seen in how the return to that has been almost entirely retreading old storylines.

Turning the Mutant Metaphor to one based on cultural evolution, with the birth of a subculture that gains traction in the mainstream and starts to change the world was brilliant. It excited the young and the new who were 'with it', and scared the old and established who were terrified of being wiped out. This is something seen often in real life, and G-Money did a strong job of conveying it in a cape comic.

What Marvel did after he left was almost criminal. The nigh decade of extinction storyline was painfully repetitive and regressive. Marvel was simply afraid to have actual growth and development of their franchise, yet constantly returns to the well of creations Morrison added into the series during his tenure. They know what they had was too good, the writers know, but god dammit if they didn't squander it.

Remind me, did Morrison do a 'cure' storyline in his run? I don't recall that being the case. It would have been really interesting reading to see this tackled head-on.

So the infinitely less interesting version of the character?

No, but there was a cure storyline right after his run, while it was fresh in everyone's memories.

Whedon? How did he address this issue?

no, you dropped the ball, hard

>I don't read comics

I'd say that was literally every writer to follow him.

Doing the whole "Xorn pretending to be Magneto pretending to be Xorn" thing instead of going with Kick and Sublime that Morrison wrote in there for everyone.

Immediately returning the X-Men to spandex right after they had more or less graduated from that.

A full decade of OH WOE IS US WE'RE EXTINCT.

And on and on

The Gentleman Thief is just a false persona he creates to ease the people around him; in reality he is a living weapon that has skinned a mutant and used its skin as bullets. He is the master of misdirection after all.

A good example is in his first appearence Fantomex’s base was an immense glass structure crammed with exotic curios and encompassing a small house where lived an aged blind woman – supposedly his mother.This was all misdirection. My hypothesis is that the structure and the old woman were actually the house and mother of an extremely wealthy Frenchman.

Fantomex presumably mimicked this man’s voice to trick the old blind woman into thinking that he was her son.Since Charlie-Cluster 7 knew various details about the layout of the place, there was presumably extensive intelligence on the owner of the house in the Weapon Plus databases.

The first name “Jean-Philippe” that Fantomex often uses appeared at this point, since it was the name of the old woman’s son.Whether he further impersonated this Jean-Philippe man is unknown.

He is Fantomas pretending to be Diabolik

But Morrison didn't invent Morlocks. Quit giving Morrison credit for having some mutant powers being very bad for you, this was established very early in Claremont's run

Maybe you should read that post, it addresses that. Morlocks, when introduced, were not made ugly by their powers. They were mutilated in order to make sure they were too afraid to leave.

Also, Morlocks always had powers that at least did something. Morrison introduced mutants that had no powers, just crippling disfigurements.

Mutations that were a horrible curse were the path to even more change and interesting stories, though. Like pointing out how retarded Xavier's school is since nobody seems to be learning anything other than how to be superheroes.
Realizing how many more mutants there were and how some of them just needed help to live in a society that was terrified of them for being the next humanity, without any real "power" to defend themselves with.

It was a good story seed.

That was established almost entirely by retcon and telling, not showing. Suddenly there is an entire "ethnic" enclave of mutants living in NYC with lifetime residents that has never before been seen or mentioned and was completely unaffected by the numerous anti-mutant activities over the years. Suddenly there is a singular mutant subculture that is popular enough to have immediate, lasting effects on mainstream culture despite the fact that not only, using the numbers given by Morrison himself, are mutants less common than transsexuals, their also only defining characteristic is an X-gene - which has no shared or defining expression. The whole cultural evolution metaphor doesn't even make any sense in light of the fact that literally everyone in the world is controlled by a telepathic bacteria from the beginning of life that makes people hate mutants. The whole idea of mutant culture was simplistic, Disney ride bullshit. It's the height of laziness from him. If he wanted mutants to have a subculture he should have put the work into it. He had Genosha to work with, a canonically mutant majority nation made up of almost entirely immigrants, to develop an actual mutant culture; instead he razed it. He could have actually explored the nuances of bigotry, hatred, envy, adoration, and fear instead of the afterschool special message they typically get; instead we got hate germs. X-Men is Morrison being a giant disappointment and looking at his other work during this period it really feels like what Moz actually wanted to do was write gozno sci-fi stuff like Marvel Boy instead of the X-Men.

Permanently shirtless Wolverine, booty shorts Emma, and leather for days isn't any better than spandex, just different.

The number of actually disfigured, harmful, or useless mutations was a handful of cases pre-Morrison. Most of the original Morlocks were ugly because they were mutilated by Masque, not because of their powers.

Morrison is a faggot and his run was so retarded Marvel needed to hire Austen to fix shit

Fuck off Chuck nobody likes you.

Better Grant than Austen. Or 2000s Claremont.

I really like Xtreme X-Men, it was sexy as fuck

>names book after the 3 musketeers
>the story is about the 4th one

he was just pulling a dumas

Fucker ruined Exiles.

Just further proof that you do better work at DC...

The story is about the Three Musketeers, the viewpoint character is the fourth.

X-Treme was easily better than Uncanny and some arcs were on par with New.

that's a thing that exists in the real world as well. They aren't mutants, they're just disabled. Mutants should have something that brings them beyond humanity.

>Mutations that were a horrible curse were the path to even more change and interesting stories, though
no, it just limited the scope of the series and removed the heroism from the x-men actions making them just tyrannical dicks bent on preserving their own power, rahter than heroes ready to sacrifice themselves to protect those weaker than them.

>Like pointing out how retarded Xavier's school is since nobody seems to be learning anything other than how to be superheroes.

this could have been addressed without ruining the ethics of the x-men, by simply addressing how the xavier school was just a school for super heroes.
Or by addressing that xavier was in fact building his own military force while using good diplomacy to gain political power, and so he was doing the same thing that magneto wanted to do, but being smarter about it.
You don't need to have disfigured powerless mutants to have raise the point that Xavier may be raising how own personalized fanatical superpowered military force, but you do need good writers.

Morrison run wasn't bad by itself, but it didn't fit into the x-men mythos and changed it for the worse afterwards.
As a standalone it was a good story, but it introduced things that made the franchise worse off in the long run, aside for marvel's attepmt to kill it.

>>Spurrier
>he didn't read spurrier's stuff lmao

He's samefagging, thinking he's clever.

If I had my chance; there wouldn't be a dry eye for any soul that reads my headcanon.

>maximumscottfag.exe is running

Do powerlevel fags also visit X-Men threads?

Why would you want those cancerous shitters here?

I dont think we have people like the crazy CBR Storm fans.

X-men aren't on teams because they have powers all the time. Some are just there cause they are mutants and are part of the family. So powerlevels are kinda silly to talk about when you have people like Leech and Artie on a team. Or Cypher

magneto was always a hypocrite.