Sup Forums is going to vote for Trump

>Sup Forums is going to vote for Trump
>Trump is going to repeal Obamacare
>Trump will allow insurance to go private
>It will be next to impossible to get insurance for preexisting conditions
>My parents have never been overweight, drink maybe 5 times a year, and eat well
>Mom has MS, Dad type 1 Diabetic
>They wont be able to get coverage
>Obese people will end up taxing the country more because when they finally have their heart attacks they wont have insurance and wont be able to pay

Just remember when you vote for Trump you are walking my parents (and millions more) and our economy to the gallows since it will be impossible to get coverage for the sick or fats that will still use healthcare

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no one gives a shit about you or your shitty parents, you fat cunt.

off with your heads, bye bye USA


HAHAHHAHAHAHHHA

Good.
The obese and others with severe illnesses need to be culled.

>Just remember when you vote for Trump you are walking my parents (and millions more) and our economy to the gallows since it will be impossible to get coverage for the sick or fats that will still use healthcare
Good, fuck you faggot. My insurance rates might go back down to normal.

Till you get sick

>not having plans with a company that doesn't require medical examinations

>It will be next to impossible to get insurance for preexisting conditions
If your house already has flooding damage and a termite hive can you get it insured? Insurance is for if a problem comes up. Insurance is betting against an issue happening. If the issue already exists no bet can be made.

Good death to all you unhealthy fat pieces of shit, I am not obligated to pay for your shit lifestyles.

So what they deserve to die even though they are all healthy otherwise?

No one is fat in my family except one of my Aunts who no one is concerned with

Insurance for pre-existing conditions is like getting car insurance after you total your car or house insurance after your house burns down.

So everyone with a pre-existing condition deserves to be unable to afford medicine and die a slow death?

What the fuck is wrong with you people?!

I have epilepsy and ms. That is my weight to bear alone not the rest of the citizens of America.

So how do you plan to afford your medications once you dont have insurance and are "uninsurable" thanks to Obamacare being disbanded

He's going to replace it with Medicare for all, screenshot this

This is my big gripe with Trump.

I'm a huge fan for many reasons but the laws Obamacare put in place are good.

>Muh premiums!

I pay $300 for full coverage of myself and my wife through my employer.

Denying people medical care because of "preexisting conditions" is fucking retarded.

Capping the amount you can help someone who has been paying into your system for years is fucking bullshit.

Working out of coverage for shady reasons is fucking scummy.

I'd rather have Universal Health Care like every other normal country in the world but the Health Insurance Lobby is too goddamn strong.

Your son gets cancer at age five.

Congrats it's now impossible for him to get health insurance.

ontheissues.org/2016/Donald_Trump_Health_Care.htm

Q: Senator Rubio, you said that Mr. Trump thinks part of ObamaCare is pretty good. Which part?
RUBIO: The individual mandate. He said he likes the individual mandate portion of it; I don't believe that should remain there. We need to repeal ObamaCare completely and replace it with a system that puts Americans in charge of their health care money again.
TRUMP: I agree with that 100%, except pre-existing conditions, I would absolutely get rid of ObamaCare. I want to keep pre- existing conditions. It's a modern age, and I think we have to have it.

Remember, it's Repeal AND Replace

>imblying there arent ways to care for it
>imblying a natsoc like trump would let americans die
>imblying i owe your ugly family anything
>imblying imblications

I recently got a 50k policy that will last me until I'm 120 for 12 dollars a month.
Insurance exists

Pay for it yourself then, if you really give a shit about the kid at least.

>Trump will allow insurance to go private
Was private before. Worked pretty fucking good until the government forced doctors to start bailing on the whole thing.

>Mom has MS, Dad type 1 Diabetic
Disability/Medicare will fix that problem for you. I have had 4 family members living off the government for 40+ years.

So, your last point is a toughie to address. The real problem here is there's no way for hospitals to recoup non-payment for indigent care. This is the "tax" you are trying to talk about, but apparently do not understand very well.

Indigent care extends to the VERY poor (that do not realize they qualify for benefits from the gov't, or cannot get them because they are too white in a black area), and immigrants.

Illegal immigrants DO NOT and WILL NOT carry insurance. They declare 9 on income tax forms, and change SSN every year. Obamacare will never get them because it cannot.

These people get free healthcare because they can't speak a word of English, and Hospitals cannot turn them away. The pay ZERO into a system that cares for them, and the hospitals have no recourse for repayment.

You're damn right I'm voting Trump because it will help clean up 70% of the problems with our medical system (that were working just fine before NAFTA became a reality).

Thats life insurance

>Just pay $25k per week!

He literally says he wants to keep pre existing conditions right there. Doesnt that mean that they can still deny based on it?

What if your just fat but dont have any existing conditions

So I'm gonna pay my kids insurance for his entire life?

Plot twist: people die

Double plot twist: How much do you make a year? How long could you afford payments for?

Pence said that people with pre-existing conditions wouldn't be cut loose. I mean, hours ago.

Insurance is private now you imbecile.

Your parents do not have a right to demand the money or services of other people. If you believe otherwise, you're evil by literally every moral system other than modern leftism (which is hypocritical, anyway).

You're an idiot.

Kids are covered under your policy. Unless youre a retard and got the bare minimum

Oh so when he turns 26 he is fucked then

I've had diabetes for 25 years and got my insurance by attaching to my parents. Then got my job to give me it. Fuck you and get a job you piece of shit.

>boo hoo hoo, my genetically unfit parents are dying!
fuck off and die, allow natural selection to happen

>my parents are genetically flawed!
>wahh pay for them to live long lives and waste resources!

>things will cost less if we give money to insurance companies

this

I'm not paying for your crippled mother and fat ass father. Every single person doesn't have a right to live to an old age. If your dumbass mother was born 100 years ago she would have die by this point in her life.

Survival of the fittest

>literally gibs-me-dat, the thread

Fuck off lad
Sucks for your family, but what you are talking about is entirely unreasonable.
And you know it is, considering you can't actually deflect any of the points others are making, you just go "REEE so my family deserves to die!?"

You got utterly BTFO. I'd say the biggest problem your parents have is the disappointment that is their son

if your parents make more than 11,000 dollars a year then obamacare does nothing to help them

The purpose of insurance is to mitigate risk.

If the government forces insurance companies to accept new customers with pre-existing conditions then there is no reason to buy health insurance when you're healthy, you would just wait until you get sick.

It's like getting auto insurance after you get in an accident, or setting up a house insurance policy while your home is in flames.

ie. You're a retarded person who doesn't understand what insurance is.

What about your wife's son?

Lets them half health coverage with preexisting conditions

Also so fine, no insurance, leave anyone who has ANYTHING wrong with them to die since prescriptions cost 1000's a week (My dads meds would be 20k a month) and then fuck ya if you need the hospital thats 100k

Seems like a great world we are building here in America!

If you get sick, well get in the grave!!!!!!!!!!

I know hard to believe but non fat American here and i hate you and your fucking fat parents i hope they die most likely didnt leave you any money because they spent it on jugs of lard to eat i hate fat people kill em all

>So everyone with a pre-existing condition deserves to be unable to afford medicine and die a slow death?

No, but if they cannot afford insurance, they DO NOT have an inherent right to it... and to claim they do is saying they have an INHERENT RIGHT to somebody else's time and/or money, which is absolutely ridiculous.

See above, you selfish cunt.

t. insurance fag here that's not how insurance works idiot. as long as your parents had continuous prior coverage for x amount of time based on condition they cannot be denied for a pre ex. Also just to shove my dick down your throat even more obesity qualifies as a pre ex as well

Dammit I really want to vote for Trump because I agree with him EXCEPT for repealing and replacing Obamacare. For fuck's sake, keep the good parts (i.e. can't be denied for pre-existing conditions and stay on parent's till 26). and mold your plan into those two points.

I thought Sup Forums was a bunch of nazi-ubermenschen who would welcome the death of the sick, infirm and genetically inferior.

You are all chiseled white gods with impeccable physiques and +125 IQs, charismatic enough to lead men and swoon women,, are you not Sup Forums?

Surely you're not a bunch of fat cowards who dare not even speak their political beliefs in public.

He'll reintroduce a lot of the good reforms. The main thing he's going to remove is the mandate requiring you to opt in (or rather fining you for not opting in.)

We need population controll more than ever now because of beans and nignogs over reproducing but as fat people you deserve to die just for the fact you do not have self control

>millions die off
>those millions are also the ones who drain the system
>life for the remaining improves drastically

It's like that's the point.

Better you than the world.

boomers and the obese should just fucking die already

Yeah, ok, so what happens is
>Parents need to get new plan (They lost job or whatever)
>Oh yeah we can accept you into our coverage, just pay $5000/m? Why? Well its just cause thats the price not due to illness ;^)

Good.

>(They lost job or whatever)
what is fucking cobra you stupid fuck

Till trump takes that away too

Wow great argument!

>not being in the military and getting free healthcare

Good goys!

CYA FAGGOTS

Shut up you cry baby bitch just die on pig fat with your parents i used to have great health insurance till obama and fat fucks like your family ruined it for me ever think maybe your the problem if everyone lived healthy lives the medical expenses wouldnt be so high but because you fat fuck parents are on the 3rd tripple bypass this week my rates are through the clouds they are so high

>He still didnt read the part where no one but one Aunt in my family is fat

lmao

Good grammar btw

They deserve to face the consequences of a very real and possible situation they didn't adequately prepare for (by getting insured). I'm insured because I want to be prepared. I shouldn't have to be held responsible for others' inaction or lack of preparation.

Except it wont because insurance only costs so much because it has to pay so much. If all the sick die off they will start charging hundreds of dollars for an advil. The drug companies will screw you over one way or another.

Insurance wouldn't be so needed if things weren't so expensive in america. I need $2k per month in drugs not to die. It used to be $1k but they doubled the price because they could. The cost to make these drugs is probably under $100. Its not like they are specialty drugs or anything either theres a huge market for them, but they can charge whatever they want because insurance/government will pay for it (and you can bet if i did not have insurance the government would pay for it - they cant have people just dying all over the place)

>Just remember when you vote for Trump you are walking my parents (and millions more) and our economy to the gallows since it will be impossible to get coverage for the sick or fats that will still use healthcare
Good to know.

I look forward to your parents being killed on November 9th because they can't do anything for themselves and you're a whiny little bitch.

alot of edge in this thread.
disability medicare is your answer

Yeah. So parents die of we vote Trump? This is powerful shit.

Vote Hillary and we all die in WW3?

Or vote Trump and ass blankets like this guy worry about muh programs for muh diabetis.

Trump isn't going to murder your parents fag hat.

I currently work 2 jobs and am working towards my masters in engineering. Answer to your question is I will work if not with my body with my brain.

>he thinks Obamacare actually did something other than force everyone to buy insurance

Haha holy fuck man.

>Implying the old have anything to offer
Let them die naturally

My assumption is that it was part of a destabilizing effort to result in us going single payer. Which we will inevitably anyway sooner or later.

Your parents need access to actual government healthcare, which is not out of the question.

However, we also need incentives for people not to be fat fucks and incentives for doctors not to over-prescribe and over test just to get paid a fuckton of money.

Anyone who disagrees with caring for our ill American population is an absolute retard and here's why:

>Person A is sick
>Person B is healthy
>These are the only two people in our fictional society
>When A and B are working (both healthy) they are able to accomplish more
>But because A is sick, B has to do more to achieve less
>Oh I know let's be a good neighbor and see to it that our society takes care of an ill member to they can return to work
>Hey wow would ya look it that, we helped A get better now they can return to being productive, putting more money into the economy, leading to surpluses, booms, etc.

Anyone who disagrees with this is an absolute fucktard. You wonder why America suffers in all aspects? It's because we lost our commitment to each other, to make life good for our communities.

>inb4 "fuck you I got mine"
Go jump off a cliff with that attitude you edgy teen

>If you get sick, well get in the grave!!!!!!!!!!

Make sure to dig your grave before you get sick.

You still don't understand that Obamacare forced things upon people that didn't want it. Understand that people are in shitty health conditions and insurances don't want to cover some but it's their fucking choice to a certain extent. Can't expect the government to continue to create socialist programs or expand on them just cause it would help a minority of citizens while hurting the majority. Removing and replacing is the best option for the nation as a whole because less people suffer

good, fuck old people

'How's it working out, ignoring every argument and twisting it to "so you think my parents should just die!?" every time.

If he gets cancer at 5 and makes it to 26, he'll be fine

Ok when I get home I will tell my parents with diseases that you cannot cause yourself to have that its their faults

That's too bad. Shouldn't have chosen to get MS and diabetes. Work hard and pay for their healthcare chum, or your dead parents are on you.

>Fictional society

And that's why your plan works

>hes for funding a border patrol to keep foreign aliens from invading the body of the country
>hes against funding healthcare to keep foreign viruses form invading the body of the population

Both are socialist programs.

I don't think you understand the gravity of what's happened. Obamacare will be disbanded either at the hands of Trump or by the hands of the American people leaving in droves becasue it's cost is fucking absurd.

Obamacare has failed. The ONLY question is what comes next.

Good? We need less people, and doubly so less expensive people.

>>Mom has MS, Dad type 1 Diabetic
>>They wont be able to get coverage

The defective will be purged slowly but surely

It's how the world is it's not fair. Fucking hate how Americans are so entitled they believe everything should be fair that's why you see immigrants in all graduate schools and taking jobs. It's cause we don't expect things to be fair and when adversity comes we don't expect the govt to help out

why do you think

appeal to emotion
anecdotal evidence

are approaching anything resembling arguments?

>These are the only two people in our fictional society
Yeah man, see this plan totally works if we look at a setting that's completely different from reality!

Now let's apply it to reality.
Oh look, person A is actually one guy amongst millions and he's constantly draining a shitton of resources and never gets healthy and never returns from work.

removing state boundaries so health insurance companies compete in a completely open market.

expanded medicare for the poors.

Refer to once again

Well if Amercans leave we will def have the ability not to discriminate over pre existing conditions cause everyone seems to be sick in usa

Probably is if they dont have covera they cant afford their meds

They dont qualify for disability because they both work

Prescriptions are 5000% more expensive then they should be

Its screwed

They should have had insurance before they were diagnosed.

Sorry my dad didnt sign up for insurance when he was 10

well excuse us non-retarded Americans for thinking that the well being of a citizen is based on health, not $$$

>Prescriptions are 5000% more expensive then they should be

So why aren't you complaining about that, rather than complaining about how other people don't want to pay for you and your parents?


>hey man buy me this $50000 bread, I'm so hungry, help a poor homeless person out!
>wtf man I can't afford $50000
>WOOOOOOW do you WANT me to starve?

>They dont qualify for disability because they both work
Theres the problem. They need to stop working and get on full wellfare. Thats actually better than continuing to work.

t. NEET whos NEET because its the only way to afford my medications :^)

Now, if we had universal healthcare or something i could go get a job at a gas station or something

Prescriptions are so expensive in part because of all the hoops they have to jump through and the cost of getting fda approved. Also because of the cost of r&d.

your parents should die for shitting out such a dumb fuck as you. Seriously kys.

That is his parents fault for not having insurance. Blame your grandparents not me for not wanting to pay for him.

A few years ago, someone won the nobel prize for economics by proving the health insurance doesn't make sense in a free market economy. The rationale distilled into layman speak? In short: In order for the free market to work, consumers need to be able to choose between competitors to fit their needs, or choose not to buy the product if none are good enough. But in healthcare, no one wants to die, everyone is willing to spend everything they have to survive, there is often no time to choose between competitors after an injury occurs yet before treatment starts, and even if there was, the field is so complex consumers rarely have any idea which doctor / hospital / etc is actually the best buy.

Should have exercised more. Fat acceptance btfo.

he doesn't want to repeal it, he wants to replace it

Sorry for generalizing you guys but I'm in NOVA and we have a huge crowd of libtards that expect the government to provide everything. First generation American but it's insane how people up here have no ambition and expect hand outs. Only the conservatives here are the rational minded people and it's either professional minirities or older white folk

>in part
But mostly because they can be.

There is a great example of this: pet insurance.

Some years back pet health insurance became a popular thing and a lot of people started insuring their pets. The result? The cost of pet medications and vet services went up by several times.

The problem is medical costs are too high. They are as high as they are for no reason other than they can charge that much for them.

its to the point that people who cant pay arent even asked to for many things, because the companies know if enough people started not being able to receive basic services and medication there would be public outrage and they would be investigated and looked at.

Its more profitable for them to overcharge dramatically where they can and then just give it away where they cant, than to have a fair price for everyone.