Is this the darkest moment Disney ever made?

Is this the darkest moment Disney ever made?

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uhhh

what is it?

Maybe not dark, but it was heavy as fuck

what is it though

Pete was far darker in the movie than was allowed in Goof Troop. No wonder it's implied that the wife and daughter left him and PJ.

Nice job with the link, OP

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Bitch, please.

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>Deleted Scene

The hot tub scene in A Goofy Movie. Basically Pete overheard Goofy's son Max tell Pete's son PJ that he'd changed the directions on the map that Goofy was using to go on a father/son bonding trip. The whole trip was so that Goofy could prevent Max from turning into a rotten kid. Pete sees Max's changing of the map as the point of no return and tries to tell Goofy in no uncertain terms that Max is now a bad child and lowkey saying that Goofy's refusal to understand this as a mark of Goofy being a failure as a father. Goofy retorts that Max loving him is enough and lowkey implies that PJ doesn't love Pete, to which Pete says that respect is all he needs out of his kid.

A Goofy Movie is pretty heavy.

Pete's one of those guys that can't just be wrong, or can't not leave without feeling better than something. The issue isn't him telling Goofy, but the fact that he did it entirely out of spite to the idea that Goof thinks he's wrong.

hey i just realized

how come there's no virgin goof and chad pete mem

>mem
*meme

Yeah, dark isn't the right word for it

they have opposing parenting styles.
In his overbearing way, Pete is trying to keep Goofy from allowing his son to turn into a straight up criminal because he believes in discipline over love. Pete simply doesn't think you can just hug it out and turn a shit kid good again.

I dunno, Pete's a lot more mellow in the movie than he was on the show and seems genuinely chummy with Goofy. I think there is some spite and a lot of wanting to be right and having a chance to rub it in Goofy's face when he turned out to be right, but there's probably a part of Pete that is concerned that Goofy's getting played.

Glad they didn't go this route. It would've completely hurt the film's tone.

Also OP is wrong.
m.youtube.com/watch?v=R-XONxvdq4Y

>Kills woman
>Was going to drown baby in a well
>Only lets the child live because Arch Deacon threatens him with damnation

goofy and donald probably make really good drinking buddies since one killed japs while the other has parenting issues and social disability

>ey, my son RESPECTS me

This line hits like a fucking brick

Pete's a father that demands obedience and respect. He's tough but he loves his kid and spoils him rotten. All PJ has to do is whatever his father says.

Pete's not perfect but he's not a bad person.

He doesn't need to be antagonistic to have that personality. A piece of him may genuinely care for Goofy, but he also really needs to be in the right.

now you made me want a pope francis disney movie

I dunno, when I watched the movie and recalled Goof Troops, it feels less like Pete's parenting style is that he cares about his kid(s) and more about controlling them for his own ego.

Because Pete's the cuck, his son is ultimately happier to be away from him, his wife and daughter vanished, Goofy and Max are clearly the better and stronger father-son pair.

Yeah, if this was Goof Troop Pete, he'd just be straight up saying this because he wants it to be true and he wants Goofy to feel humiliated.

Goofy Movie Pete seems like he's trying to watch out for Goofy in his own gruff, misguided way. There's a bit of "I told you see!" lurking there but there's also some legit concern.

The best part about the Era right before Pixar was how much of the budget and effort went into sound design.
There's something really satisfying about the line recordings in these movies.

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BOOM

There was a lot darker stuff in general in the Disney films (Clayton’s Death, Claude Frollo murdering a mother, Mufasa's Death, The god damn fate of the boys in Pinocchio) however that scene is the closest you get to them tackling heavy issues such as parenthood and what a good father is suppose to be past the safe catch all shit like "love your kid"

was pete supposed to be abusive?

DA BOOM

BOOM BOOM DA BOOM

I think it has to do with the voice actors too. There's efficient pacing but every word stacks like a brick, nowadays there might be better efficiency but no weight. Partly blame getting celeb actors who really can't act worth a damn.

>buy box of pizza
>throw the slices around the motel room
he's a bad kid

Can someone please link it, I've heard about it but have never been able to actually find it.

Dark.

No, it was suppose to reflect that if push came to shove he rather have PJ hate him but turn out right, than PJ loved him but turn out rotten.

That's what the whole exchange was about. Pete thinks Goofy is to soft out of love and it's not a good thing.

Nah; the idea was that Pete doesn't give a shit about his kid loving him, so long as he does what he's told. Pete's the kind of dad that believes that good kids are the ones who know how to behave at home due to having a strong authority figure in their life.

both max and pj turned out fine anyways

Not abusive, but definitely overbearing and controlling. He thought Goofy was wrong for believing that love was the most important part of a father-son relationship, and implied that he didn't need his son's love as long as he had his respect.

BOOM DA BOOM

BOOM BOOM DA BOOM

Don't the boys just turn into donkeys?

I don't know, in An Extremely Goofy Movie PJ kind of comes off as a fat, useless fuck. Who wants to be like that? At least Max seems to have some ambition.

I wonder how Walt would have felt about his oldest character existing long enough to have such a nuanced conversation like this?

true, we are walking into those random axioms of life.
A child was beaten by his father so he shall beat his kids
A child was beaten by his father so he will never beat his kids

It's almost insane how radically humans can react even in exact same situations.

A son SHOULD respect his father. Hate to admit it but Pete was in the right on this issue

He was fat, but he didn't seem like an useless fuck

Besides, you can be fat and still fine in the Disney universe

You say that like it's no big deal.

likely he hate it since he never saw these characters past their core identity.

He's right, but not entirely. A son should respect his father, but that shouldn't be the only bond between them.

and that's when it confirm my faggotry

tfw first saw petes eyes as spikes and wondered what the fuck i was looking at

Really? Donald was very much his go-to average joe character, with Goofy being the stand-in for the everyman. Even Mickey went from being another Felix the Cat knock-off to a stand-up guy.

like all things it balance that humans have a hard time dealing with so it's always easier to just tilt one way or the other. A hard ass father wanting respect over all usually ensures either a rebel kid or one that will gladly end their fathers life if given the chance, while a father than pushes love as a core with no demand of structure gets spoiled brats that will reach their 30s and have done nothing with their lives and spiral into self hate.

WHAT HAPPENED TO PEG AND PISTOL, PETE?

WHERE DID YOU HIDE THEIR BODIES?

>Disney's "A Goofy Movie" has one of the heaviest depictions of a relationship between father in son in Animation history

So did Goofy end up with that librarian qt from the sequel or did she never show up anywhere again?

He was kind of emotionally abusive. PJ is more afraid of his father than respectful of him.

Except a lack of any form of respect or discipline usually guarantees that the kid is going to be a rude fucker. Respect is more valuable than love.

Yes but the idea they could branch into these dynamics of Goofy being a single father while talking to Pete is something that would get to him, there were ideas the team had about a Donald jr that Walt wasn't for because it aged the characters and would create two versions of them (one with the child, one without) Goof troop would have made him melt since it has create two Goofy's with Goof Troop one having 3 decades of material.

a father looks for both things, love and respect but even if there is no love, the least they ask for is respect

that second movie tho..

Popular theory is divorce or the show and movie aren't canon to each other.

They got divorced

Every Goofy Movie thread. Without fail.

>Except a lack of any form of respect or discipline usually guarantees that the kid is going to be a rude fucker.
Correct. And a lack of any form of love or nurturer usually guarantees that the kid is going to be a monster that will want to inflect pain and will likely take great joy in torturing their aged parents when they are at the mercy of them late in life.

To see either as more valuable than the other can be a bad end for the child. They need both and to diminish one is to confess where your fears and weakness lay.

ive been thinking about a fanfiction idea for a while now,

a bit older max takes a vacation back in his home town. gets buzzed and hits up a bar. meets an older woman down to fuck.
wakes up in his old neighborhood.
turns out it was a divorced peg who didnt recognized little maxie has become BIG maxie now

awkwardness ensues.
and then more sex

A mother's job is to love and nurture the kid. A father's job is to push him to success and to be respectful.

You sound thirsty

Pete defined what I am into, they were definitely some chubby chasers behind this movie because the way he was drawn is quite arousing

Thing is, Goofy is a single father

That's cringy

There's porn of that. Look up Aeolus, he did some pics involving them.

Haven't you heard? Mem is the new meme.

A single father can still be stern.

Depends on the culture actually. In a lot of Asian Culture's it's the flip. It's why a lot of kids that have an Asian mother and a western Father tend to spiral out of control and either start shooting people, kill themselves or get into porn, they got double whammed with two high pushing, low love parents.

user, is there something you like to share?

where are you even going with this? It's like you are aware your original stance was poor and you are trying to turn it into something else. Issue is, no one is debating or talking about what you are bring up now.

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shall we begin the summoning ceremony?

no this is
youtube.com/watch?v=uVNoybnB-Ew

No, fuck off.

was clara just one of goof's casual one night pump-n-dumps?

FEAR IS RESPECT

wtf I hate Goofy now

That was in the musketeers universe

i never paid so much attention how both goofy and pete have dad bodies

Are you okay user?
My pops wasnt around either, but it ain't all bad, all you gotta do is be a better man, not make the same mistakes. Succeed where you were let down.

then theres goofy's original human wife.

she was young and he was charismatic. she fell for his debonair attitude and style. but after marriage and giving birth to max, she just couldnt handle it. the responsibility. the lifestyle of a housewife. she realized her parents were right. theyd rather have her marry one of them negroes than those cartoon dogs. it was wrong in the eyes of god. so she began cheating on him. with the postman. with the milkman. she was basically fucking every human male or female in the neighborhood behind goofys back. then she just had enough and left him and their child

>Goofy hates the Niggers

Goofy gets better and better.

gawrsh...

god I hope one day it becomes legal to kill cuck fetishist

Do not bring that evil here.

lol Peg is a jerk to only take Pistol and leave PJ.

>grow up as a kid watching goofy cartoons
>most of them are set in the 50s
>they interacted with humans instead of being in an exclusive cartoon world

still curious on the finer details about how they interacted with humans

Umm. No.

Haha that's not real. Max's VA voiced a character from the Static Shock cartoon. The character is a white nerd who is SS's friend who is black. White nerd kid's dad is racist. So they took the voice clip from Static Shock and put it into that Goofy Movie 2 scene.

is that the gay best friend?

also, what do you guys think if this totally innocuous and innocent piece of early fanart?

I was just memeing

>A son SHOULD respect his father
Why?

because its part of the great circle, simba

It's Pete time.