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What taxes do you pay for social healthcare?

Bbubububut but butt capitalism is great, right guys?

>right wing "libertarians" roll in
but it's crony capitalism, not true true capitalism!!111o1neonewonrwg

PAY DEBNTS

No, just do what the picture says. What's the problem?
Fucking crybabies

>get infection and/or your organs stolen
>die
Choose both :)

I dont know why its like that? Its cheaper to get medical help overseas then in 1st world countries

>expenses in a foreign country

Yeah, capitalism is all about finding a cheaper competitor

>why does medicine cost more in the USA

Really makes you hmmmmmm...

They left out the part where you fucking die from infection because Spanish doctors are trash.

How long do you have to wait to get your hip replaced?
What is failure ratio of hip replacement?
How much do you pay for your healthcare?
What are the odds of you needing a hip replacement compared to US?
What is your average household income compared to US?
How does your price level compare to the US?

Cringing at you sheep

Get your shitty Liberal Facebook propaganda outta here, Gallego. What's your median income and tax rate?

So... why don't you?

stay mad yuropoor

No sign of intelligence here.

>anonymus leejun shitposting

Why don't you go get run over by a bull Pablo? You can't have anything better to do in that shithole.

Yeah try getting a job to make that money in Spain.

You pay for what you get. Id rather pay 40k for something thats gonna last the rest of my life instead of some pile of beaner made shit thats gonna rust and require replacing before i even make it home.

Also, That goes for everything. Im a musician, if i want to buy a fender strat, i dont buy a cheap ass $300 clone made in taiwan or mexico, i buy the made in usa one for a couple grand.

Then go live in Spain?

I've been in a Spanish hospital, it ain't pretty

>Ahahahahahahahahahaha
Spain is not some south American third world shithole
Typical uneducated burger.
Wtf are you talking about?
Whenever you hear about implants of bad quality or pacemakers that kill people it's from the US.
I'd rather get a new hip in Spain than in burgerland.
There may be some insanely good hospitals for rich people in the US, but the average is probably not better than Spanish ones and the implants are probably the same or even better in Spain since in Spain you're more likely to get a European implant
Admit it retard, your health system a shit

>it's cheaper for a foreigner to do the intervention in Spain where Spaniards pay for healthcare and the foreigner doesn't

REALLY PUT ME ON THINKING MODE

>Abdullah shitposts violently

You only ever hear about the US ones because even if they're defective they still last long enough for people not to die within weeks of them failing.

this

Not a argument burgertard

>after insurance pays for it
>$0

End yourself spic.

>Muhammad joins in on shitpoating

Did you have to pay up front?
I think we're supposed to have a deal with the EU that means we all treat each others citizens and respect medical insurance from within the EU and shit, but I've heard of several cases where the Spanish hospital demanded payment up front from UK citizens anyway.

>shitposting

>US has some of the worst taxes on Earth
>often missed by foreigners because they don't add in state/county/city
>"hurr durr us pay less taxes"

I'm not for socialism anything, but if we're not going to enforce a truly free and competitive market for healthcare then we might as well go single payer. Because right now we have the absolute worst aspects of capitalism and socialism when it comes to healthcare.

American top end healthcare and medical research is obviously #1, but when it comes to "regular daily procedures" and not new advanced stuff I'd rather pay 10 times less for it in a country like Spain.

our healthcare system was designed by cucks in hopes of getting cucked, and we do get cucked

Im fairly certain that those are the prices when you pay the procedure yourself.

Like in our shitty country. If you have any serious health problems and need EKG or Magnetic resonance be prepared to wait for months if you are a serious case or years if not serious.

Oh if you pay yourself? Come in next week.

Its because insurance companies and the country are running a scam/mafia like approach to healthcare. And a bunch of people especially old people are exploiting the system as well making waiting times even longer.

I'd rather have insurance pay for all of it like 90% of Americans who have it.

Gotta love the uberdank meme about paying less, or getting it "free", they sure wont mention the severe taxes they're subjected to...

THE MISLEADING CLAIM:
“The average hip replacement in the USA costs $40,364. In Spain, it costs $7,371."

The Reality:

First, note that Spain has a single-payer health care system run by the government. Their system requires, by law, that the state provide healthcare at "no out-of-pocket" cost to the individual. (except for prescription drugs.) Thus, costs are incurred by taxpayers.

One reason the cost of surgery is different between the two countries? Incomes are lower in Spain than they are in the U.S. This means the labor component that factors into your hip replacement is severely reduced.

The Median salary of an Orthopedic surgeon in Spain, for instance, is only $64,152 a year. The same position pays about $432,552 a year in the U.S.

The labor component for surgery in America is therefore roughly 6.75 times greater than it is in Spain. If one were to adjust the cost of a hip replacement surgery in Spain by accounting for what the surgeon SHOULD be getting paid, we’d see a final price much closer to what’s charged in America.

WHAT’S THE COST RELATIVE TO MEDIAN INCOME?

Spain’s Median Household Annual Income, adjusted for purchasing parity, was $17,191 in 2011.
The United States’ Median Household Annual Income, on the other hand, was $50,054 in 2011.

>Part II next

If the average cost of a hip replacement in Spain is $7,371, that's roughly 43% of that country’s median household income. Note, that price is billed to the taxpayer. As we'll demonstrate however, in America, the cost is less burdensome.

Now, there is no such thing as an “un-insured” price for medical care in Spain, since everyone is insured via the government. Therefore, Spain’s cost must be compared to what INSURED individuals are charged in America. The Average Cost of the same hip replacement surgery in the U.S. is $39,299 (per our sources). This would represent a whopping 78% of median household income IF - and only if - people actually paid it, but they don’t. Most of the cost is billed to private insurance companies, which sustain themselves via profitable investments mitigating the need to profit directly off of consumers. Only about $3,000 is ever billed to an insured individual. That's around 6% of median household income.

One might point out that while the costs are mostly incurred by private insurers in America, those insurers merely disperse such costs amongst their customers not unlike the Spanish government passing costs onto taxpayers. This is a fair critique, and for the sake of argument, we can attempt to adjust for that.

>Part III next

For 2011, premiums for employer-sponsored family-health coverage were roughly $15,500. (Paid largely by the employer) On average, workers, however, only paid about $4300 of that. For single (non-family) coverage, workers paid even less, with an average contribution of only about $950. [x] If we were to include one year's worth of insurance premium contributions with the cost of this surgery, the cost in America would still only range from $3950 - $7300. That only represents 7.9% - 14.5% of our 2011 median household income, which is significantly less than Spain's 43%. In fact, for the burden of a U.S. family to match that of Spain, we'd have to include, not only the out-of-pocket expense from the surgery, but also over 4 years of health insurance contributions. For individual coverage, we'd have to include 19.5 years of health insurance contributions! Luckily, our burden isn't 43% of our median household income.

WHAT’S THE CONCLUSION?
Yes, the absolute cost is lower in Spain than it is in America, but that cost represents a burden far greater than what we experience in the U.S. Meanwhile, in the United States, depending on how you count it, people only pay an amount equivalent to about 6%, 7.9%, or 14.5% what they earn annually. When Spain's burden is 43%, which system sounds less burdensome to YOU?

>sources next

> average american
> poor eyesight, will need glasses 300$ exam + glasses
> fucked teeth, will need braces 5k$
> diagnosed with some bullshit mental disease, will need pills $200/month

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It's ok op, I'll take your suicide with a rare steak and potato's with broccoli.

Trust me, our medics and implants are top tier. We don't even deserve them.
Giving free healthcare for everybody is one of the reasons our econony was destroyed too.

with all I pay in taxes I could replace my hip twice a year

sage

>insurance pays for all fo it

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dis nigga

Lol, do you really believe this?

>Go to Spain to accomplish this
>Get put on a waitlist for 4 years because free healthcare.
>Eventually die falling down stairs because of bad hip

Wow, that didn't take long at all!

>decides to leave out all the variables that afect the price

What are the prosthetic materials used?
Is the surgery technique the same?
What are the salaries of the surgery team and nurses?
Are there follow-up programs included?
What is the cheapest and highest price in both countries? (thats an average)
etc etc

no "our" economy is fucked cause here we get low skilled immigration and lot of elders and since the 80's no industry at all thanks to our political leaders that's why we got now emigration to the northen of Europe just like in the 60's vente a Alemania, Pepe. and now the chavs that go there r our skilled labor, wich is a shame 4 the country

Our healthcare is one of the best in the world, our doctors are great and the hospitals a model in Europe. Dying of infection or bad praxis? What the fuck do you think is this country, Nigeria? Fuck off. If you hear something bad about it is just the politicians and their stupid administration, the rest is great which is the most important thing.

>waitlist for 4 years
This is prohibited by law.

What is a McDonnalds employee doing talking about Medicine quality?
I've been in Spain, Germany, and UK in orthopaedic congresses. You have absolutely no clue wtf you are talking about.

American Hospitals are cleaner and better staffed and actually open all the time.

Spanish hospitals are shit. I know was in a car wreck in Madrid and the ambulance finally showed up took us to two hospitals before finding one that was open.

our economy is fucked because our politics revolve around socialism

Serious question:
If procedure "costs" 50k in America but 95% (if not more) of that cost is paid for by the insurance companies how are insurance companies still in business?

>finding one that was open
are you that retarded? hospitals are always open

People should just do this all the time, I don't see a problem with that.

You gotta forgive my patriot brother. He was most likely in Mexico and has the Spanish language confused with the Spanish nationality

is part of the industrial reconversion, get rid of factories and put more Hotels, this + the elders + low skilled inmigration = Spain today
hospitals r allways open, don't know if u can go to one if u have an accident in a car being a foreigner, if they put u in a private, they usually close. other thing is the abandonment of some of the oldest hotspitals here like 12 de octubre 4 lack of maintenance

And this is just part of the overlaying problem that tax funded heathcare means people abuse the system.

...

you actually have to pay for insurance every month, sometimes it's just 100$ sometimes 500$ or more depending on your coverage

>know was in a car wreck in Madrid and the ambulance finally showed up took us to two hospitals before finding one that was open.

You are so full of shit. Hospitals are always open and the accept everyone. Fuck you and your jewish lies, scum.

>spain
>third world
Nice try luigi

Average USA citizen makes twice as much as the average citizen of Spain.
Also fuck your commie tax. I'd rather pay for my health insurance than dish out 33% of my income every month so some granny who's been on pension since USSR can get her hip replacement at age 88.

You can thank people like the Clintons for purposefully keeping the price of shit expensive for their big business overlords.

>----------------->the point
>your head

>don't know if u can go to one if u have an accident in a car being a foreigner, if

Everyone is accepted, the costs usually are paid by their countries but if they are immigrants or there is no deal with their country then we pay it. For example, if a british has an accident is their healthcare who pay for it or part of it, dont remember exactly how it is.

All it shows is that Spain uses taxpayer money to help foreigners.

There is no fucking reason why any country should allow non-citizens to receive benefits paid for by citizens.

if he was with some insurance company they usually put u in a private adeslas clinic or some shit like that wich usually close and keep 1 open 4 emergency in the nigth

So if a brit or american comes to my country on vacations and he broke his leg, we should let him suffer from pain and die of infection? What are you, a jew?

>look up spanish unemployment
>look up spanish debt
>laugh

nice job you swarthy fucks

>nation consists of a bunch of fatties
>hip replacement costs skyrocket

>Implying you are not also paying for that hip replacement through your taxes

The cost is always somewhere. No such thing as a free lunch

were not happy with the commie tax either

This is what INSURANCE is for. My Mom only had to pay $500 out of pocket for her hip replacement, insurance covered the rest

>poorer countries have cheaper services

Amazing news. Austrians come to Ödenburg to Hungarian dentists because their euros worth way more here and our dentists are better off living in cheap Hungary than moving to Wien.

because they dont pay that much, it's all jewish inflation and posturing. Think like a filthy terrorist merchant, never pay asking price.

Prices reflect the desire to live there.

Just like supply and demand - no one is going to pay top rate for shitty quality, and sloppy seconds.

So if a google jumps over the border in Ceuta we should care for his injuries with taxpayer money

Chupiprogres pa twitter

This is mostly because US doctors earn more.

So if you want prices to drop, tell dr. Schlomo to stop raking twice the money his German or British counterexample wants.

the main diference is the MIR system, here if u want to be doctor u have to give 2-5 years of your work to the state before work 4 them and since all the healthcare is public all the work is there

>because there are niggers we should let people die and suffer

>progre
my sides

Don't forget about building into every single piece of land because lol whatever

What happened to you Spain? You used to be cool.

So shouldnt i just put that money in a medical emergency savings account or some shit?

yes, we get lots of low skilled inmigration thanks to that

>live 2 years in Spain
fuck off, we are full

We should do something like that, but with the EU. The niggers don't deserve treatment. They know they get free shit when they come.

>Luigi

Kek that's not Luigi, that's Shamus O'Sullivan

>abortion illegal
>therefore it didn't happen at all

Also reminder that DJ Franco was the greatest rapemixer Spain had.

Wow really made me think....
I can live whole year in India with just month's pay.
Better move to India where pooing is great again...

we could get even nukes if Franco last 5 years more

boi learn english

No, not only low skilled immigration, low skilled youth. The school absentism in those times was fucking traumatic for the whole country.

Kek. Burguers always mistake Italy and Ireland.

nevar google translate is my frend

>flying to and living in Madrid for 2 years on $25622
Good luck with that