Is it possible to be pro-capitalism and anti-immigration?

Is it possible to be pro-capitalism and anti-immigration?

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Yes. See how right wing political parties are in general against immigration (at least in theory) compared to left wing and socialist parties.

Literally trump

No, if you support capitalism you support white genocide

Except Trump is pro-legal immigration
>Trumpets don't even know his own policies
>b-build a wall

Eh.. All the immigrants in our country (Pakis and Albanians) came under right-wing governments.
Since you brought up KKE (Communist Party of Greece) I don't remember Stalin taking in many immigrants.
That's irrelevant though, since you didn't even explain your point, you just said "the left wing does it more".

Of course! Free market and mass third world immigration have nothing in common.

I'm student of economics, very capitalistic, but also very far right.

Cheers

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How?

> Is it possible to be pro-capitalism and anti-immigration?

Is it possible to fuck that girl in the ass and get a blow job before you cum?

To both questions, yes

>I don't remember Stalin taking in many immigrants

Because large scale immigration wasn't taking place when that georgian shitskin ruled Russia.

>you just said "the left wing does it more".

But it does leftcucks have the ideological foundation to justify open borders.

A real capitalist society doesnt have free welfare or healthcare. Thus no freeloading immigrants.

The same way the US did it before we started importing brown people.

It has to be a restricted, national form of capitalism, and politicians who control the border need to work in the interest of the native population instead of listening to lobbyists. Even Nazi Germany was a mix of capitalist and socialist policies.

But realize that capital recognizes no border. Unrestricted capital will always lead to globalization, and free trade. It will lead to corporations and banks importing foreigners for cheap labor and to get more bank accounts. It will lead to wars for profit that destroy national sovereignty.

Is it possible to receive a package delivery without the courier moving into your house?

Yup, only massive amounts of crime due to an influx of unemployable immigrants foolishly thinking they are employable off the boat.

>thinking free movement of labor will boost the economy
>not figuring in the inherent inefficiency of illiterates and xenos in a post-industrial economy due to poor social and language skills
>not figuring in the costs of increased policing and welfare taxes
>not figuring in the costs of decreased social trust and higher inherent risk

I do, but people who supposedly know economics say it's wrong. Even in the US they say you "need" illegals to pick your fruit.

(((Economists))) don't know shit. They're horrendous oversimplifiers and base their thought entirely on a Lockean understanding of human nature. Something as complex as a national or global economy is impossible to predict with any real accuracy. Don't believe anything an economist without at least one other advanced degree says

>people who supposedly know economics say it's wrong

It's bullshit to justify their agenda and benefiting from slave labor, that's all. A few people benefit from hiring illegal immigrants, but the average taxpayer and state suffer.

If it was true, which it isn't, it would still be illegal.

Yes, Greece. Sell us olive oil but stay the fuck out of my country. See how simple it is.

Nigga Stalin moved entire nations around, out of Central Asia and into Eastern Europe and vice versa. The USSR was the first globalist construct who came up with the "all nations are brothers" shyte and the proto-PC politics of "illegal hate speech that leads to inter-ethnic discordance".

The USSR also invited a gorillion of Africans and Arabs to come and study at their universities.

Yes, there's nothing contradicting that. a controlled flow of labour is better than free flow.
Trump is not anti-immigration, he's anti illegal immigration, which makes sense because it is hollowing out your economy by forcing wages down.

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washingtontimes.com/news/2014/sep/8/cost-educate-young-illegal-immigrants-over-761-mil/
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The Fiscal Burden of Illegal Immigration on United States Taxpayers (2013) $113b/yr
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Taxes:
The Fiscal Cost of Unlawful Immigrants and Amnesty to the U.S. Taxpayer $54.3b/yr
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Education:
Educating illegal immigrants costs $44.5b Annually
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The cost to educate unaccompanied minor illegal immigrants over $761 million
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How Illegal Immigrants Can Pay for College $32m Federal Scholarships, In State Tuitions
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Scholarships for Undocumented Students
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$4.3b/yr Care Costs for Undocumented Immigrants Absorbed by Hospitals
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Illegal Immigrants Account for $10.7 Billion of Nation’s Health Care Costs, Data Show
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Immigrant Labor:
Mass Migration Driving Down Wages
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Increasing the Supply of Labor Through Immigration: Measuring the Impact on Native-born Workers -4%wages/yr
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All Employment Growth Since 2000 Went to Immigrants
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How is that even connected?

Absolutely. Can you prove theory in the contra; that it's not possible to be pro-capitalism and anti-immigration?

Because like everything in life, most political and economic decisions are made on a whim, with a personal bias/hopes behind it, instead of following the logical path.

how?
Capitalism is just the idea that every person is allowed to make profit with small gov interference.

Are you sure, that you dont mean globalism?
2 different things.

Not paying tax into the system while taking resources from the system (even something as simple as using the infrastructure) leads to impoverishment of those who do pay tax. Stop the presses.

The bread is retarded anyways because saying you're "pro-capitalist" is like saying you're "pro-science". It will exist independent of you whether or not you make use of it. the USSR and China were forced to rely on capitalist principles to have some semblance of an economy. The one big difference was that they did so poorly and in ways that allowed corruption to flourish.

If you support our capitalist system you're supporting the rights of business to sway governments into bringing in more migrants for cheap labour.

Your country ASKS for immigrants. Not now, under Cuckdo, but for ages. That's how wops like me ended up there. Can you explain that?

Yes, capitalism is the ability to freely associate and make transactions free of any coercion. Having immigrants brought into your country that you don't want isn't freedom of association, being forced to house and feed immigrants is coercion.

Capitalism doesn't mean you can break state law. A lobbyist can't sway the government to say, go and kill all people in area XY because it would make him Shekels. The same principle applies.

It seems that the people in charge aren't sticking to capitalist principles then.

No, but the lobby can sway the government to decriminalise that.

I am.

>A lobbyist can't sway the government to say, go and kill all people in area XY because it would make him Shekels.
Eh.. It's happened before. After all, government and business aren't two foreign entities. They depend on one another.

No, that's why constitutions exist. You cannot advocate for a crime, it's an illegal act in itself.
Crossing the border illegally is a crime btw.

So, if your company would need to pay a 50$ wage when you can lobby the government to import people who do it for 30$ what would you do?

> it's happened before
So?

Sup Forums mainly supports capitalism, but claims to be redpilled hahahahahahhaha

We see how well constitutions work in Germany. Come on, let's not be idealistic here. Politicians depend on businessmen to get elected.

Help turn my country into a 2nd world shithole of course. So I can make money to send my children away to a comfy 1st world country where the government was smarter than me.

Migrants don't have to be illegal to lower wages. It's wrong for you to assume that the forces of governance will act in accordance with the law.

You said it can't happen. Iraq war cost the American people 6 trillion dollars, but it made money for private corporations. It also made the world more unsafe.

Fuck this company. 50$ wage gives more tax to budget and result multiplication effect for economy.

Not in Germany. the parties don't run lavish election campaigns there.

> You said it can't happen
What?
You realize that the comfy modern era has been around for less than 0.00000000000001% of human history right?

Of course, its called "Capitalism when it suits me, but socialism when it doesn't" or in ancient greek ὑπόkρισις

>implying capitalists care for abstract sentimental notions of the 19th century such as country
Most rich people don't desu
Look at the American elections
The rich and famous side with Hillary almost exclusively

This nigga

Your kids will pay trice for every $ you saved on cheap migrants.

Stop LARPing as White Greece, you're not White and never will be!

Nah, they'll be in a safe enclave for rich kids in Switzerland. Meanwhile I'll tax the poor at 50% to pay for the mess I created.

No, to be anti immigration one has to accept the fact that Wealth will simply be lower in countries with little immigration, which isn't relatively a bad thing. A purer, happier society, is better than a globalised one

As long as Switzerland doesn't decide to do the same.

Globalism is a way to undermine the labor force that drives capitalism.
under globalism, its basically send your factories to 3rd world shit holes where you can pay workers 4 cents a day, and completely disregard environmental protection agency laws.
OR if you cant afford to move all operations over seas, bring the 3rd world labor to you at the cost of still paying 40% of what you currently do for your employees.

this
I study finance and in the behavioural finance classes we took the female professor droped the hugest redpills because we looked in depth in financial culture of not only countries but also of their ethnic compositions and we found out that the browner the country the worse their finances and public policies are.
you dont need slave labour to grow your economy if you arent mainly a resource exporter. Because complex machinery and oil refineries dont run themselves you know.
Also programming, for some reason niggers cannot into tech

People already explained to you that open borders are an ideological project of the left. Socialists and commies provide the ideological foundation for mass immigration and White genocide.

You still haven't explained if capitalists want mass immigration how come right wing parties are in general more hostile to immigration than left wing parties?

holy shit, quality post over here.

This.

Well, if Switzerland does it, they'll find another country to prop up. Its easy when you can move billions around the world. In fact, people already talk about the future of cities, not countries. Implying that even Switzerland might turn to shit except some cities for the elite.

See It's not about sentimentalism, it's the fact that you will fairly soon run out of liveable countries.
Then, you and your family will be forced behind a fenced enclave, South Africa style, which will severely limit your quality of life. Any step outside will lead to them being torn apart by a rabid impoverished mob. (Don't start on military high tech either, because digital weapons are the most vulnerable in human history, as any neckbeard with enough autism can hack into them).

Let me explain it to you in simple terms. Nations are like people. The most prosperous and successful ones are those that can into delayed gratification and long-term planning.

You can be anti-immigration and still capitalize on trade with other countries. You can also be capitalist inside a country completely closed off to the rest of the world. How exactly did you become so confused?

Until that country decides to do the same.

Also, the cities tend to be the most economically weak and crime-ridden areas in the West.

What the fuck is this LARP. I don't care about left and right, I'm talking about the technocrats who are in charge. Who cares about commie LARPers in the street lol. I'm talking billionaires.

>I don't remember Stalin taking in many immigrants.

Lel what? He literally took in millions.

How uneducated can you be?

You're not wrong, I'm just making an observation. Cities indeed are going bad. However there are still privileged neighbourhoods. Also I imagine the top tier people have many vacation homes. That's the benefit of globalism. You have no real home, but a bunch of them.

>"smal gov interference"
>somehow forcefully prevent the global migration of goods and labor

Globalization is the legacy of capitalism. It's race and color blindness, it's cold pursuit for profit, which essentially destroys traditional hierarchical societies and turns members of a collective tribe to "rational" individuals pursuing their interest. How can you not see this? Having a free market without the free movement of labor is like wanting to have a cake and eat it at the same fucking time.

No

You can't be pro-capitalism when you have massive taxation and a welfare state, including public schools, healthcare and wage regulations. I doubt there are many countries that have a problem with immigration without having massive wealth redistribution.

I believe that socialists trying to plunder the rich to benefit the working class etc. totally turned the upperclass against their fellow countrymen.

the privileged neighborhoods tend to be in the suburbs, but Ahmed and Jamal are slowly but surely closing in on them as well.

I imagine you don't know how you needed a passport to move from one Soviet region to another. Ask a Russki. They didn't have as many Asiatics/Caucasians in Moscow as now.

Give a fuctioning alternative to capitalism.

People are greedy. Everyone wants a piece of the pie and their neighbor's.

At this point in time its impossible to have anything other than capitalism and if you had actually experienced the retarded soviet 'socialism', you would know that it was terrible.

My parents have countless stories of standing in long lines just to get simple good like cheese. Piss off

But why would your people (German pensioners for example) give those things up? These are the benefits of the system supposedly.

Russians and Slavs couldn't move anywhere except to Siberia but Central Asians were mass transported into the European parts of the USSR via various "programs". Not so much Moscow because it was where the elites and their families resided.

America has open borders and is 55% White because of jewish lobbying in the 60s not because business owners wanted to pay their workers 1$ an hour less.

It's amazing how leftist neckbeards try to blame capitalism for jewish marxist cosmopolitan depravity and ideology

The best combination is nationalism, protectionism, and traditionalism.

I don't have any, I just don't think you can be 14/88 and "free market yay" at the same time.

This guy gets it. Capitalism advocates for the right of everybody to move wherever they have the most profitable opportunity, and for businessmen to bring in whoever they want from abroad without the state interfering

What are you talking about? Having a 'passport' has nothing to do with this.

Stalin literally took in millions of non-slavs. Get your basic facts together before you make shitty threads like this, fucking feta.

The judeobolsheviks imported thousands of africans from socialist regimes to study in Russia and enrich Russian women

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afro-Russian

You don't mean those Jewish capitalists, do you?

(Enforcing borders is state interference)

Yes, because not every strand of capitalism is neoliberalism.
But obviously you can't be a capitalist in the vein of Rothbard or Hoppe, because their bullshit is just a pointless mental exercise that works only if you detach reality from it.

172 out of the top 400 billionaires are Jewish
How come Capitalism isn't Jewish but Communism is?

are you mentally retarded?

No, globalism is the natural evolution of capitalism.

The Soviet union was socialist and it was great.

>Stalin literally took in millions of non-slavs.
Source?

No it was jewish polititians and socialist activists such as Emmanuel Cellar, Norbert Schlei, Julius Edelson, Harry Rosenfield, Maxwell Rabb, Myer Feldman, Abba Schwartz, Senator Jacob Javits etc Their motives were purely ideological.


en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_and_Nationality_Act_of_1965

>Having a free market without the free movement of labor is like wanting to have a cake and eat it at the same fucking time.
This isn't a binary problem. Anti-immigration people still sleep at home and drive to work every day. You've simply transposed country with world.

I am not going to defend capitalism. I am a Fascist. But I guess under the fake democracy of today at the very least a jewish comissar cannot execute me for being a Christian male with reactionary political views.

>the most capitalist society on earth (America) runs on pure ideology
Well meme'd. Who do you think funds the Universities where these people may have tought? Who funded their campaigns to run for Senate? Oh yeah, capitalists.

So, in your view, this "commie neckbeard" control all the big media outlets and big private universities who push liberal propaganda. He also controls all the big corporation like Facebook, Reddit, Twitter who promote social justice. I see. He's very powerful for being a random neckbeard on the street.

Just ignore the idiot. This board would be nice if idiots who reduce everything to Jews were ignored.
I'm not even saying Jews are great or something but only dumb uneducated underclass reduces complex human and ideological interactions to Jews. They can't really offer you any good arguments besides repetition and then insults when you don't agree with them.

I think the reality that transcends history is that people will pick ANY ideology that suits them at that time.

That's true for the most people, not for everyone of course.
Ideology is a powerful drug. Many people are surprised when they learn many of commies in USSR were really fanatic communists, not just thieves and murderers who used ideology to gain more power.