All rebelled against catholicism, both rejected the catholic tradition and have given into ideologies, state is itself a church there and people there seem to be very subservient to the state. Britain might be somewhat an exception here and there because of its empiricism but is still quite similar. Also multiculturalism and PC censorship is most developed there
So what is it about germanic culture that makes histories of those countries so similar? What kinds of cultural patterns of the old Germanics contributed to this?
Tyler Walker
Ah, of course you can count Austria out unless we understand josephinism as anticatholicism
Charles Moore
>state itself is a church Pretty sure that only applies to germany and the majority of dutch people are catholic btw
Tyler Wright
flanders is catholic btw
Hunter Collins
>austria >protestant otherwise its just geography. in the 16th century the popes power was greatly diminished by distance. Germany was separated from rome by hundreds of miles and the alps. Papal emissaries could take weeks to arrive. Furthermore the fragmented, decentralized politics of these countries really encouraged sovereigns to convert so they could keep more of their meager tax revenues and gain an advantage over their neighbors. England was somewhat of an exception that happened because of random circumstance surrounding the succession of Henry VIII
Nicholas Howard
netherlands in particular - how is it even a country?
kanker hollander!
Asher Mitchell
I've read Netherlands were calvinist?
Zachary Walker
Jak tam praca w Polsce?
Austin Roberts
OK but the pope didn't have control over Slavs as well. It has to do with germanic culture
Parker Allen
If you want a more in-depth explanation I'd be happy to provide that as well. I'm a European history major so I know more than the average polack although I'm certainly no expert
Owen Ortiz
Yeah most of them in the bible belt are hardcore calvanists some villages and towns aren't
Source: Living in the south-western part of the Dutch bible belt
Daniel Davis
this isnt reddit, post what u have or shut the fuck up
Adrian Brooks
Large parts were, yea They were the first to drop religion too
Benjamin Bennett
this, but with the protestant work ethic
Elijah Jenkins
Well I can tell you protestants are much less subservient to institutions and governments. Americans are probably the most extreme in that respect. They do submit to morals though, which is why protestant countries had a ban on alcohol in the past and now a ban on hate speech.
Though Poland is only catholic because Prussia was protestant and Russia orthodox. It doesn't have much to do with dogma but much more to separate yourself from your neighbor.
Anthony Hall
>What kinds of cultural patterns of the old Germanics contributed to this? Probably none because traits you mention shaped in the last 500 years. Also, aren't French and Italians basically ethnically germanic? Even though they adopted latin.
Hunter Ward
Fuck da pope, wimmin aint nothing but trikz n hoez.
t. Henry (Big Tittay Luver) VIII
Liam Lewis
The main factors are distance and centralization. At the time the commonwealth was the largest state in Europe and needed the stability of the catholic church to bind its vast, diverse territories together. Furthermore it gains no real advantage by keeping tithes for itself rather than sending them to Rome. the commonwealth also controlled a great number of seats in the curia which were a great asset. In the north of Germany and Scandinavia, political power was vastly decentralized and each sovereign controlled very few seats in the curia. Converting to Protestantism allowed the dukes and counts and to seize church wealth and collect church taxes for themselves which gave them a great advantage over their catholic neighbors. Because the pope was so far away he couldn't feasibly do anything about the heresy so petty lords felt relatively safe in this decision. Basically, in northern Germany and Scandinavian lords had nothing to lose and everything to gain from converting. Outside of these regions, where states were larger and more centralized the sovereigns had less to gain and more to lose from conversion, especially since they typically bordered at least one other large catholic state. Again England is the exception. A large, wealthy decently centralized state with a monarch that wrote a 500pg book about how much he loved the church and was named defender of the faith. If not for syphilis England would be catholic
Caleb Ward
>protestants >more resistant to government than Americans
Are you genuinely retarded? Or just really autistic?
Your government quite literally owns you lol. You are a well paid Slave and you pay to hand your country to invaders.
Absolutely pathetic
Anthony Hill
>Patriot Act >Other laws that allow the state to fuck you three ways from Sunday Bitch pls, go check some privileges.
Sebastian Sanchez
And my amazing digits of truth and justice.
Aiden Cox
ancient swedes ruled poland.
Isaac Mitchell
are you unable to read?
Isaac Walker
>bong talking about government surveillance >has to ask the queen's permission to watch porn kek
Wyatt Gray
Nice trips you've got but it doesn't change the fact that you can't own a knife. All 3 of them were catholic.
Gabriel Nguyen
>He has to ask Sheikh Abdullah bin Barrack ibn Obama for permission to watch porn instead kek
I know, but at least we can own Polish sex workers, dirty Catholic whores. They don't pray when they're on their knees. Only when they're on all fours.
Carter Carter
because we're rich as fuck.
did you forget we discovered your shitty island as well?
Jonathan Reyes
>I know, but at least we can own Polish sex workers, dirty Catholic whores. They don't pray when they're on their knees. Only when they're on all fours. uncalled for you dirty anglo
Ethan Cook
>I know, but at least we can own Polish sex workers, dirty Catholic whores. Good thing that I only fuck Slovak and Ukrainian girls(they're just as slutty tho, if not more).
Luke Bennett
>What kinds of cultural patterns of the old Germanics contributed to this? Not being conquered by rome, mostly. (That actually includes britain - the danes conquered it for themselves long after the romans)
It's rather - those that were conquered, are very similiar, be it commonly loaned words, concepts and other things.
Ethan Gray
>Though Poland is only catholic because Prussia was protestant and Russia orthodox horseshit. Poland is catholic because, well, it is catholic. It's not only catholic but also latin. Northern nations have rejected latin culture. And P-L has dominated over Moscow and Prussia for a long time, so why couldn't it join their faith anyway
Michael Wilson
>Ireland >rebelled against Catholicism
Liam Taylor
amazing picture
Jason Thompson
>Also multiculturalism and PC censorship is most developed there
Nigga you also have Sweden highlighted right there, c'mon
Brayden Young
how and where do i pick up slovak/ukrainian girls? give protips
Blake Hill
Ah, crap. Except Ireland ofc
Jason Sanders
maybe its because theyre germanic?
Blake Martinez
ukrainian girls are mostly in factories in Wrocław, Poznań Warszawa itp
but they usually married and have kids
Mason Smith
Germanic speaking.
Lucas Evans
You should probably add the Baltic Finnics (Finland/Estonia) and Latvia to that. Although admittedly their spark for 'rebelling' towards catholicism came from the West, it's not like your average countryman even noticed any real change or cared for it for that matter.
The power of catholicism - bending over to the original religions - was lost with that reformation though. Protestantism was adopted from the top down because the rulers wanted to seize the churches wealth, but the nature of protestantism made some of the pagan stuff heresy which meant the religion wouldn't last without enforcing. Normal people just wanted to continue the traditions they had always practiced, and of course they kept doing them but with the autistic protestantism with everything heresy that isn't in the bible.
As example, one tradition around here is going on Christmas to the graveyards and light candles on the graves of your relatives. True protestants won't accept that because muh bible. Tons of similar stuff, nothing in our culture simply is accepted by protestantism, and that's why protestantism is dying.
Wyatt Johnson
>All rebelled against catholicism, both rejected the catholic tradition
Eh? You've included famously Catholic southern Ireland as well as Bavaria and Austria.
The primary reason the Republic of Ireland exists is that (for some bizarre reason) most of the Irish remained insanely loyal to the Catholic Church which had sold them to the English rather than accepting the Reformation.
Ryan James
>Germanic speaking.
You might be onto something there. The Reformation never took hold in Ireland which was majority Celtic speaking at the time. Scotland was also initially split between Protestant Germanic speakers in the Lowlands and Catholic Celtic speakers in the Highlands - although the military defeat and subjugation of the Highland Gaels following the Jacobite Rebellions led to their conversion to Protestantism (with some exceptions like the southern half of the Outer Hebrides) though they mostly kept - until the 20th century - their native Gaelic language.