SUPERMANFAGS BTFO

>Goku has mastered Self-Movement
>His body can now fight on its own
>Superman still needs to think and send pulses from his brain to his muscles

No he doesn't, he's Superman.

>This much denial

It’s over. Superman needs to think to be able to move just like every living thing in the universe. Goku doesn’t.

canon-wise:
- Superman always wins in the end
- Goku loses sometimes, so other characters (like Gohan) need to finish the job

ergo: Superman wins

Show me proof that Superman has to think in order to move.

I hate powerlevel faggots. Also Goku is a shitty character, and a shitty dad

Superman lost many times.

Wait, so he's like a Jojo vampire?

canon-wise
- Superman really doesn't win more than any other hero, and in fact loses more often than Captain America or Batman.

Burden of proof is on you. Prove to me he doesn’t. It’s basic biology. Brain sends pulses to the muscles to move them.

superman's most famous stories are the one where he loses

Nope, you were the first to make a claim
>Superman still needs to think and send pulses from his brain to his muscles
This means the burden of proof is on you. Show me Kryptonian physiology is the same as human and/or that Superman explicitly has to think about his actions in order to move.

>What is the Death of Superman?

Goku still got KO'ed by a lazer.

>Goku's body can fight on its own
>Doesn't matter cuz Supes still brushes off its attacks

Nope you show me. Every living thing needs to think to move. Nowhere in DC canon it states that Kryptonians are exempt from that. Do they move? Do they have brains? Then yes they have to think to move.

Superman has never stated that his body is always acting on its own with no direct input from him.

What the fuck is "self-movement"? Really?

You know what? Yes, Goku wins big time.

Why are weeaboos so obsessed with power-levels shit?

This.
THIS.

Superman didn't actually die you know.

Now with Self-Movement the laser won’t be able to touch him so that point is moot.

Yeah, he needs to think to move millions of times faster than Goku, and punch millions of times stronger.

No, user, he's Superman. With him it works the other way around. Unless you prove he can't do something then he can do it.

Nigga, that is a casual's understanding of Superman.

I've still yet to see any proof that he needs to think of his movements in order to move.

>Goku literally doesn't need to think in fights anymore
For fuck's sake are they even trying anymore? This isn't good or compelling writing. Nobody benefits from this garbage other than powerlevel spergs like OP

>What the fuck is "self-movement"? Really?

>Whis' body is capable of automatically reacting to any threat or attack without him having to acknowledge it. His immense reflexes can be used to attack and counter instead of just defensive purposes. Because his body moves without the use of his brain, he is free to strategize and with the correct judgment, can dodge a wider variety of attacks, even in a weakened condition. Since his body moves on reflex and not reaction, feints and illusionary techniques are useless against him. He can fight without having to think about the moves he makes, his reflexes automatically adapt perfectly to all factors achieving maximum efficiency in offense, defense, and strategy, ensuring optimal success. Alternatively Whis can decide to make movements involuntary and automatic in every way. He could not only make simple movements without needing to think, but can do tasks and use skills involuntarily with ease. Because he does not need to use his brain to make such movements, he can freely think on his own while making good judgement. He can perform movements no matter how complex.

what version of superman are you even trying to compare? kek there are so many that could ass rape goku thats not even funny even in his most powerful god transformation superboy prime alone could rape the shit out of him

>literally punches reality

Let Jose have this one user. He needs something positive to think about.

I don't see how thi is some kind of game changer. His body moving as a reflex doesn't make him any faster or stronger, it just means his actions are guided by neural pathways outside of the brain.

See

>Since his body moves on reflex and not reaction, feints and illusionary techniques are useless against him.

Superman has been shown to succumb to illusions and similar attacks. So yes he needs to use his brain to function.

Pure skill trumps raw strength and speed. Superman can't beat someone who naturally dodges all his attacks and can effortlessly strategize where to hit for maximum damage.

and again, what superman?

it means hes immune to sneak attacks. getting shot by a laser while his guard down, and any similar scenario, is no longer a thing that can happen

Why is this an advantage though?
Thats like being able to juggle and listing that as a skill during a fist fight. Good for you but how does a competition where both people are conscience benefit from being able to sleep fight?

>Implying this matters when he couldn't even beat AYYY LMAO who isn't even as OP as Supes.

Cocún-fags BTFO

Great, so Supes can't touch him.
What's Goku gonna do now?

>where to hit for maximum damage.
Such as?

Tell that to Olympic runners. And Gorillas who have to fight Grizzly bears in some autistic /an/ debate. Raw strength and speed will always trump pure skill. It's only when you start adding mechanisms of inventions to the equation that that changes.

I dont think Goku is gonna use the strategize part often. He's just gonna reap the benefits of really good reflexes, but he isnt a tactical genius. He punches and when that doesnt work he punches harder.

Ayy Lmao beat a guy who's specialty is fighting 1 second into the future.

That sounds like the flow-state described by most professional athletes and martial artists.

You get it too when you lose yourself in your work and stop consciously controlling your body. Only your work is lame, so you don't call it a 'flow-state'.

MAFUUBA

>fighting 1 second into the future.
I want to point out that this makes no sense.

Superman has to think to move, but in canon moves faster than thought. It doesn't actually matter.

Exactly, and Superman has been shown to be able to fuck with Flash unless Flash does go ALL OUT.

Goku means nothing now.

Still not enough to surpass the PURE POWER LEVEL of Superman

Goku might take on Carol Danvers now

goku has had flow state since his training with popo and kami. this is a flow state beyond that of a flow state. you can just call it flow state 2.

>he isnt a tactical genius

Where did you get that from? Goku has always been shown to be a great tactician. When Vegeta and Trunks thought it was a good idea to increase their raw strength to fight Cell, Goku realized it would be better to focus on maintaining SSJ since muscle mass would just slow him down.

So basically this new form is just Goku on Whis' level now?

>The Superman proxy btfo of Goku
>Hur Superman btfo

Time Skip. Hit stops time for 1 second and uses his super speed to attack.

yeah
the real crazy shit won't start happening until goku starts stacking it with his super saiyan states in a few episodes.

It's a martial arts concept that Dragon Ball, once again, goes out of it's way to butcher and make sound ridiculous. A good successful fighter shouldn't need to actively think about every movement of his body. It's more or less just the highest stage of muscle memory. The perfectly drilled fighter who is ready for anything without having to think about it with surface thought. Surface thought it slow, after all. Sub surface thought is fast and almost feels like instinct, but it can be honed with practice.

That's all it is. Though in the real world, being a professional fighter requires being able to do this. So it's not considered a super special technique. It's just something everyone who wants to fight professionally learns to do or they don't reach pro level. Dragon Ball has just been on the RAW POWER UP train for so fucking long that common things like predicting enemy actions or reflex reaction is now considered a special high level technique.

Superman knows self-movement too, you really think he puts thought into catching bullets?

Yes? He basically "see" so fast that he can determine when to catch/dodge/save someone before the bullet hit

He does.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

The inferiority complex of DB fans is pathetic

and funny

But what's the point of that? Whis is already better than Blue, so combining the two wouldn't be better than just vanilla Limit Breaker. Unless you mean he goes LB2 and what not

Goku is the Seinfeld of ANIMU protagonists. When he came out the retard with a heart of gold was a newish niche. Now everyone does it, many better, and he's a shit character.

He is a terrible father though. It's basically a meme in universe now.

Mostly because Superman fans don't like him because of how powerful he is but what he stands for

>Pure skill trumps raw strength and speed
But that's wrong

This. When was the last time Goku saved a bunch of abducted children?

>Pure skill trumps raw strength and speed.

I bet you think Bruce Lee could have beaten Tyson