Did romance really ruin Homestuck?

Did romance really ruin Homestuck?

What was the fucking point of the "oh nooo" when that ship never happened anyway?

was that not just saying that nepeta's autistic self was worried about vriska stealing karkat from her or something

Because Nepeta is autistic enough to believe that another autistic girl will steal her autistic love interest.

Romance is fine but too much focus on it is a bad thing

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Lord English ruined Homestuck.
>B-b-b-but he's so cool and Caliborn is so funny and right about everything!!!!
No. Fuck you. Listen.
Everything was about Sburb up until Hussie decided to turn the Intermission only villain into the actual story's villain. Yeah, that's right. Lord English was supposed to be killed in the Intermission and then stop being relevant. That was his role, at first. But then Hussie decided to be all experimental and English became the villain and a number of things happened-
>Sburb stopped being the source of conflict, it had to be something EVEN BIGGER to encompass Lord English
>Hussie had to find some in-universe explanation for the Felt's stupid time travel shit that didn't otherwise fit in Sburb's otherwise neat and tidy system resulting in the biggest asspull of the comic, jujus
>Because things became BIGGER THAN SBURB, a new system that happens to include Sburb had to be made and memorized to the audience. But the audience already had to remember so much just for Sburb. Well, too bad, here's a bunch of new rules, some of them contradicting or ignoring the old rules, and even making them irrelevant. Looking forward to the Denizens helping the player complete their planet's quest? Well too bad now they're Juju makers or whatever with a bigger purpose or whatever and whatever here's an asspull to solve the conflict and also sometimes you don't even need to visit the denizen at all because like fuck it who cares about the game anymore, why do you care, not even the Denizens care oh and Denizens are why Lord English was allowed to exist because juju, I mean, as long as Denizens don't care about the game it's cool for them to basically be capable of granting universe destroying power or whatever right? Ok? Cool now Lord English has some sort of backstory made out of the smashed remains of the Sburb-colored square in the circular Lord English hole.

It was more about Hussie killing the wrong characters and lost potential.

Dream Bubbles ruined Homestuck

They made death meaningless, and the Vriska's death specifically meaningless, and it paved the way to the ultimate self bullshit

Romance on the whole is fine, but ending 99% of them all in an anticlimactic breakup tends to ruin everything.

The post-scratch kids and trolls, the overt focus on Vriska, the afterlife stuff, and the author trolling readers, is what ruined Homestuck.

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I hate this "ultimate self" shit so much. Especially because some characters didn't even have that, so it's not even a valid point.

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Who was most responsible for the downfall of Homestuck:

Kanaya, Vriska, or Terezi?

Homocuck was bad from the beginning my friend

Homestuck was fine until post-scratch.
Hussie should have killed himself after releasing Cascade aka the pinnacle of HS.

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Kanaya barely did anything worth noting besides sawing people in half those three times, so I'd say Terezi for using Vriska as a means to an end.

Meta-narrative wise?
Trolls and Hussie overrating the Lord English concept

Storywise?
Terezi and John for retconning everything into a shelby/tumblr-approved fuckfest

Of course it's fucking Vriska.
Bonus answer is Karkat.

>Terezi and John for retconning everything into a shelby/tumblr-approved fuckfest
Fucking Shelby

Nice Kanayas

Reminder that the Intermission is still one of the best parts and Hussie should feel ashamed for not making a Midnight Crew comic instead of Homestuck.

>there are people who dislike the midnight crew intermission because the characters are "shallow"

ye

Nah, the moment they started to shift away from Sburb and its mechanics was the moment it started to go down hill

Funnily enough, the only reasons anyone still cares about Homestuck are three:
1. the SBURB-game and how to translate it into RPGs and such,
2. the porn,
3. the shipping.

God, I wish I was there when Homestuck was active. I might have conviced someone to draw and/or write a piece with one of my ships... There's absolutely nothing for it.

jew harley!

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Vriska is not autistic.

>We’re very much looking forward to publishing these deluxe compilations of HOMESTUCK. These books are not replacements for the web comic (unfortunately, we couldn’t devise a way to embed the music in paper) but rather companions to it. We hope that they’ll provide both existing fans with an opportunity to re-appreciate the work—especially guided by Andrew’s commentary—and new readers with another gateway to enter this rich universe,” says Leyla Aker, Executive Vice President and Publisher.

Not a cause of decline, more a symptom. Caring more about fandom drama than where the story was going.

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Better ship.

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>Jake and Dirk never actually had a modern conversation with each other in the entire comic outside of the Trickster incident


Wait did this really happen

The writing quality went down, so did the quality of the romance.

From a group of kids developing crushes for each other, to abruptly dating and breaking up with each other.

And Jade and Rose really only have four conversations yet keeps pushing them together

Just stop!

This is just gonna encourage the whatevership-poster.

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What is with these people and shipping things that have zero actual interaction

>the author just didn't give the ship enough attention
>I'm bringing out the true potential that was there!
Although never having Jake directly talk to Dirk Prime onscreen was obviously an intentional (if dumb) literary device.

Shelby doesn't give a fucking shit about the alpha kids except for her trophy Roxy.

Why should she care about DirkJake drama?

I wish the Homestuck cosplayers were still this cute. Now they're all fuckable but with ugly personalities that make you just want to pump and dump rather than cuddle in the afterglow.

Cause of gay?
Eh, whatever, I just post ships.

Jade, and jade cosplayers, are only good for pump and dump

Would've Kanaya been more popular if she had long hair?

its hard to pinpoint to a single thing as its rather a cascade effect of poor choices, bad ideas and shit writing.
by themselves many ideas would only qualify as unorthodox or risque decisions.
its more about how poorly these concepts were implemented.
>the whole dancestor thing could have been great, but most of them were single trait characters that were around for a single joke.
>Dead vriska competing with meenah to make a ghost army to fight Lord English should have lasted longer or at the very least make a more compelling point to them working together.
>Vriska slowly replacing aranea as meenah best friend/lover could been better if there were more than a minimum interaction between the three.
>Aranea going full villaing instead of misguided hero was bullshit, she should have tried to help.
>the beta kids just siting with a thumb up their asses doing nothing during the three year trip was stupid.
>Rose going through alcoholism and having relationship troubles with kanaya was under played, they should have at the very least broken up once.
>Dave being a little bitch and becoming nothing more than a pivot for troll romance drama was also bullshit, he should have played the cool kid part and either step out of the quadrant bullshit or bitten the bullet and get official with terezi.
>john having crisis over con-air should have been the trigger to him mourning over his father or he putting up a even stronger facade and hinting at his inner turmoil, slowly but steadily becoming a stone cold warrior.
>jade abandoning her gun tooting science girl ways in favor of a witch plot device persona was a huge waste of potential.
>the fact that the whole mystic quest part of the alpha session was skipped in favor of teen drama was probably the biggest offense.
>the retcon power was a can of worms that should not have been opened to begin with.

>Jade, and jade cosplayers, are only good for pump and dump
I choose to protest in some cases, but I have a good example of somebody who fits your post. Pic Related; her name is Haru and she's a bitch but I'd hit it.

maybe

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The four kids never got to have a chat together either. Or meet at the same time in one place.

You can probably find some sort of Jade cosplayer that ISN'T a bitch though.

I'm sure you can. But they're rare nowadays, since Homestuck isn't the trending topic of the day anymore.

Do you think we'll ever get another Homestuck? Not necessarily a webcomic or video game, but something so all-encompassing that even celebrities get in on the game?

>Jade
>not a bitch
literally impossible

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>its hard to pinpoint to a single thing
Hussie's ego.

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Guy, I want to reread, but at the same time I really don't want to, help me

Go ahead and do it. But this time, you know to stop reading after [S] Cascade.

at some point hussie's ego fueled many of the comic fun quirks

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>Terezi and John for retconning everything into a shelby/tumblr-approved fuckfest
Yeah when reading it I really felt Davekat came completely out of left field. There was almost nothing alluding to it and that whole relationship just seemed shoehorned in.

>seemed
You mean it was.

>four conversations
Where they're not too friendly, at least on Rose's side. There was a good analysis of it I saw, and it's pretty clear Rose doesn't like Jade too much.

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No, Homestuck ruined Homestuck.

Except that peeling back the layers to see how SBURB wasn't actually all encompassing, and rather that everyone was just pawns for a larger conflict was the compelling aspect of the setting. The problem wasn't introducing an antagonist that operated outside of the rules of SBURB, it's that they never once interacted with that facet of English. Had English been used as a tool to draw our viewpoint even further out and get greater insight into Skaia and the Horrorterrors, the plot would have had a much more cohesive progression, and likely a more satisfying conclusion.

I like that the sburb session was flipped with the whole jack getting the ring thing, and even though I despise the trolls and all of that shit, having bec noir retroactively fuck over the trolls via intersession portals (something we already saw with the exiles) was kinda' neat. I don't mind the baseline story of killing the black king being subverted by causal timefuckery.

But I do agree. Lord English was a mistake, beyond 'it just werks' and 'muh solo session lord of time powers' his creation really doesn't hold up. he was seeded in multiple timelines + multiple universes, by a session that wanted him to fail, but through those causal loops in the many universes/timelines, he is allowed to gain the juju. skaia should have prevented this. what makes this even worse is that lord english has no alternate selves, he broke his clock during the period in which he gains his powers, disallowing dead selves, cool. This makes it even more of a headscratcher as to how skaia allowed it to happen.

homestuck handled the 'alternate selves' thing pretty well with how skaia can determine what timeline is 'doomed' and how it chooses whether or not to allow doomed selves to make an impact on the alpha via time travelling backwards. this allows you to have alternate selves popping in and out of the story without the nagging question of 'shouldn't there be like 100000s of doomed daves popping up?', it's because skaia accounts for this and chooses what timelines alt selves are useful in.

what this doesn't account for is how the one singular lord english isn't handled by skaia in any way. it literally just lets him be created in the alpha timeline through timefuckery without dooming his creation the same way it does to doomed selves. the only saving grace I can think of is that the alpha timeline as created by john is also the one in which LE is stopped. only problem being skaia does this through another fucking juju, the same thing that made this mess in the first place.