HOLY SHIT

How can Sup Forums ever recover? They can't.

>listing both capitalism and socialism as "good"

What? It's one or the other. How would seizing the means of production and a free market happen at the same time?

>socialism
>good thing
opinion discarded

In what order? Ascending, descending?

I hate Bob but to be fair, you can prefer one economic (or really any) ideology whilst respect and acknowledge another ideology has its own advantages.

>capitalism
>good thing
opinion discarded

I think he means under perfect conditions each can be viable as the other.

Except humans are naturally imperfect and will either fuck up a system, or find a way to game it so only they benefit.

Before I start laying into you, you American bro?

I think some socialist ideas, like universal healthcare, are good.

I think some capitalist ideas, like free enterprise, are also good.

>Capitalism
>Socialism.
....Bob does know these two are polar opposites, right?

I believe he is stating that both have merits despite whatever people have done in their names. It's an almost reasonable stance from a fat man who revolves his life around nintendo.

Seizing the means of production is communism, not socialism.

Also, a free market doesn't mean capitalism.
You can have many carpenters each owning their tools and selling their service at different price. You can have many factories owned by their workers and selling their product.

>Steven Universe
>Good thing
opinion discarded

this list is dumb but i think you might be dumber

Don't you have to celebrate 50 years without Che you Commie Fuck?

>socialism is when the government does stuff

They /are/ polar opposites dipshit.

You can have your cake and eat it when it comes to capitalism and socialism.

Capitalism is the private ownership of industry. Socialism is industry controlled by the community.

Most European countries strike a balance between the two. A man can own his own company and run it how he likes, within the confines of the law. But the government, acting in the interests of the community, will bring the hammer down on unfair and unscrupulous practices like cartels.

>gubmint programs and taxes are soshulizim

Why do americans believe this?

Do you know what "polar" means dumbass?

Hint: it's not "contradictory"

I mean

yeah

It's easy, you just have to not fall for the utopian communism and unapologetic corporatism memes.
The supremum society is one that can fluidly and without cost transition between plan and freedom, public and private. It's like a Carnot engine, and just like a Carnot it is not perfect but as good as attainable for the job it does.

SM3 is not on this list, Bobbly, and I'm offended.

He should put >nintendrones
at the top

>socialism is when the government does stuff

>socialism = government intervention

>Neo-Classicalism
>Good

Shit's locked us into this horrible design sterility for over two thousand years. Fuck the Greeks and fuck the Romans for copying them and pushing that crap on everyone they conquered.

Because the generation that currently run the country were the generation that had the fear and hatred of communism drilled in to them from, oh say, the late 40s up until the 80s or 90s at some point.

They're the sort of people who think that a government should stay the fuck out of business because of Muh Red Terror, and now we're reaping what those pricks sowed.

>implying postmodernism isn't just sophism that got BTFO 200 years ago and we're just on the brink of repeating history because of predilect human ignorance

>It's a Chipman thread
Because it's beneficial for big business to frame the insane, fatalistic prophechy-cult of communism as the only alternative for society governed for their benefit.

Enjoy the cyberpunk future mate (if you can)

Are you retarded?

Socialism is a society controlled by the community. The community elects a government. Ergo, the government is the community. The government takes actions based on the will of the community.

If you yankee faggots didn't have such an archaic system of government with an entrenched "You can be a fag-loving abortionist liberal or a fag-hating Jesus freak conservative" maybe you'd see a government as what it's supposed to be.

>Japan
>Good

>Because it's beneficial for big business to frame the insane, fatalistic prophechy-cult of communism as the only alternative for society governed for their benefit.

How is America so good at this? They did the same damn thing with their two political parties. A person will think one is the shining light that will cleanse the world of evil, and be firmly assured the second choice is the devil.

Why can Americans not into compromise and middle-ground? Is it, dare I say it, because they're fucking morons?

Shut up Sven.

>Neo-Classicalism
>good thing
opinion discarded

Socialism...
You do you bob, just don't bring that shit into my house

But all those are bad things

calling things bad implies that good things exist

fool

>2017
>Blob Chipman

ISHYGDDT

>organized religion
>good thing
opinion discarded

Well he is the resident authority on being an awful fan.

>criticizing the SU fanbase
>criticizing internet socialists

Nice knowing him.

>It was illogical to fear a political faction that was literally taking over the world by force
>and is backed by a major superpower, with nuclear weapons to spare
>And which subscribes to insane fatalistic worldwiev where history has already been explained by german philosopher living in the middle of industrial revolution.
>And which is trying to fully force this vision to come to pass, despite the horrible dichtomony of Marx not envisioning how to build communist society after revolution because he thought it would just naturally start existing at some point without anything to enforce it.
Sure it is stupid right now, but USA had it right when USSR was still around.

Modern architecture is only slightly better than communists building grey bricks. Give me design sterility any day.

>organized religion
>good thing
>capitalism
>good thing

What?

why would anyone pay attention to what this sad, poorly excuse of a man fat fuck says?

I mean

no

It's because he's a wh*te male

And a tip of the fedora to you, good sir.
>le tips

I want government to stay out of business because as soon as government gets involved in business business gets involved in government you retard commie fuck

Socialism is the collective ownership of the means of production. "Society controlled by the community" is a fucking retarded statement in itself even when you don't try to claim it as the definition of socialism.

A National Health Service is the government using the national burget to provide universal healthcare as a social safety net. It's not the same thing though commies love to claim it is.

Sorry -- who is Bob Chipman and why am I awful for liking Batman?

Neo-classicalism has fans?

Feel free to stop complaining about things that you do not understand.

The US constitution literally came about because of compromise guided by principle. The structure of their government is what it is because they had to compromise in the beginning and the lawmakers found a middle-ground.

Learn history, Eurotrash faggot.

Add Voltron to that list every thread devolves into shipping faggotry.

>Seizing the means of production is communism, not socialism.
It's Marxist socialism, not communism, which is the final end-goal of Marxist socialism.

>Bob thread leads to a more interesting back and forth out of topic discussion compared to the usual shitposting thread that makes up a quarter of this site
Odd.

Because I don't want to pay higher taxes so someone can get free shit

Any true Steven Universe fan will tell you the show was only good when we were under the assumption that the series was amounting to something meaningful.

What do you mean you don't want to give half of your paycheck to LaQueefa and her 8 children

Shut the fuck up you fucking retard. Go to China and be a slave.

You can have socialist programs within a capitalist economy.
Ever hear of social security?
US has had that for over 80 years and everyone seems to ignore that its a filthy commie pinko scam, thats really helped out millions of people after a lifetime of work.

>china
>communist
L-0-L

>batman

...am I missing something here? I've never seen a batman fan base congregate and do anything, let alone be autistic.

>collective ownership of the means of production
in practice it means you dont get to vote, you dont get free speech or a fair trail, the state regulates what the media is allowed to talk about, whats is ok for artists to do and if you dont like them there is a big chance you end up starving or in jail or dead
and if you think you are fighting the evil 1% i have news for you, they fucking love communism and they keep pushing for it, you think that once the revolution happens you will end up at the top but you have a nasty surprise waiting for you

yup, user really IS dumber than this list

>organized religion
>awful fans

The hardcore fans are literally saints.

You talk about social security as if it's a good thing when at this point it's basically a Ponzi scheme that won't have the money to pay the people it owes in a few years because the government used the surplus as a slush fund for stupid shit and there's more retirees taking out money than there are workers putting money in. There's no such thing as a functional socialist program because it always goes to shit either due to corruption or incompetence. Not to mention I don't want to pay more taxes for someone else's ben fit. They need to fuck off and take care of themselves

Socialism works on a low level of society.
Anything larger than a hamlet or village AKA walking distance and it falls apart.

>Japan
>Not anime, the country itself
But bullet trains are sweet.

B-but user, nobody's done it right!

bing bing wahoo! it's a me, mario! listen to me what I have to say about politics and society!

because doing it right involves world domination, thats how autistic commies are

>Japan
>Anything but a backwards hellhole of society

Will the meme never end?

I didn't mean to imply the original founding fathers were idiots. Only the modern generation. People like you!

You vilify the people on the other side of the fence because the people already doing it says that it's the way things work. There's no middle ground. Every election season your whole fucking country turns into a circus were fair play and common sense are thrown out the window in favour of snappy little soundbites, witty comebacks and empty promises regarding shit that isn't even important

"I solemnly swear to honour our troops! Wooo, go troops! Fuck the other side!"

you never seen
>batman can beat beat anyone
>muh preptime
>becuz he's batman XD
Thank HISHE for that one
>He's better because he's "realistic" and "human"
>he's the only one who has"flaws"
can we get a animated movie not focuses on Batman?
>why would they do that Batman is awesome
>No other heroes sell

I like the dude but his fans are cancer

Japan, awful fans what the fuck is he talking about?

>Good things w/ awful fans
>In order
opinion discarded

>give half of your paycheck to LaQueefa and her 8 children

That there, that's EXACTLY the sort of shit the powers that be are trying to cultivate. Blame the poor for finding themselves in a situation that was created for the rich.

I'm not here to defend niggers leeching off the state, because yeah, people like that don't deserve it. But once you've internalized a hatred of welfare, it soon spreads to other things. Medical care for example. "Why should I pay for some obese fag's third heart transplant?"

But if you look past the lazy niggers and fat old people abusing the system, you'll see that there's people who genuinely need it but can't get it.

Trade existed even then, you're not likely to find an example of an economy free society that's not a primitive tribe

Of course, since it demands the negation of freedom of property, which itself comes about because of the principle of self-ownership. The ultimate conclusion of socialism is that you do not own yourself, which is why socialists demand opt-out laws and presumed consent for organ donation.

He forgot

>social justice

>capitalist fanbase

Also, was your last sentence aimed at me or to socialists in general?

No, that's a stupid idea because the people receiving equity will always demand more.

Aka, people with a working brain and respect for individual rights.

I don't blame poor people for being poor, I blame them for using their poverty as an excuse to take what doesn't belong to them. If you want to support JaQueesha and her ten kids, use your own money, don't use mine. That's the problem with your side, you talk the talk but want to dig into someone else's pocket

>muh slippery slope

socialism = democratic comunism and if you didnt know this then its time to get informed buddy

That's literally what's happening now you deluded fuck. People are never satisfied, it's human nature

what is the alternative? should we have just let people lynched niggers?

stating a fallacy and not backing it up with an actual counter argument is a fallacy in itself.

Sup Forums would never exist in a capitalist society, and no I'm not just talking about net neutrality.

Therefore anyone posting against socialism right here on Sup Forums is a filthy hypocrite.

So what about schools? Firefighters? Roads?

>Slippery slope

They can get a fucking job for starters and then they can stop blowing $200 on a pair of fucking gym shoes

You pay to use them.

>I don't blame poor people for being poor, I blame them for using their poverty as an excuse to take what doesn't belong to them.
You can't dismiss the whole system just because it can potentially be abused, especially when the system benefits people who would need it. We'd never have anything if we dismissed anything that CAN be abused. I mean how far do you want to take that? What's stopping you from applying that logic to things like the police, or finances? Or does it not count when rich people do it?

What do you mean slippery slope? Are you not aware of things like segregation?

>Socialism
>Is a disgusting Jabba

Like poetry.