How can Marvel heroes be more relatable when the majority of them don't even have to work to pay the bills?

How can Marvel heroes be more relatable when the majority of them don't even have to work to pay the bills?

Cap used to be a cop and then a freelance artist.

Look at all those gross cis white men in that picture. How could that ever be relatable? I'm disgusted just looking at it!

>freelance artist.
This shit doesn't pay the bills.

...

Not with that attitude. Cap didn't bitch when the only work he could get was for ads and sports magazines.

That makes him relatable.

Or when he had to do all those online commissions of vore.

so it's relatable?

That's the thing. They don't have to be relatable. Not every character you read needs to be "This is me". In fact, that is when all the problems start, when readers start inserting as characters because when one of these readers become writers, they start fucking everything up.

Make them character firstly. They don't have to be immediately relatable, however you can make them interesting to read. Kinda like what Duggan's done with Deadpool. No way in hell is he relatable in any shape or form. However, he is interesting and he does have some good stories revolving around him and his desire to be a good dad.

And at this point a LOT of them have been villains at one point or another.

I ain't saying they HAVE to be relatable, I'm asking why do people consider them relatable.

For example: Scarlet Witch. What does he fucking do to pay her bills? Is she actually qualified to do anything?

Pretty much. Not everything has to be slice of life bullshit with an inexperienced hero. Its half the reason why Marvel is shit today

Honestly this is a good point, Spider-Man 2 starting off with Peter combining a normal job with being a hero was a great way to start off the movie

>This shit doesn't pay the bills.

Cap once said he could have, if he had wanted to do so.

If the DCEU and Rick and Morty have shown anything it's that when people say "relatable" what they really mean is "asshole".

Every failed artist says that, though.

Cap used to be a commercial/comic book artist, Thor used to be a Doctor, and Havok used to be I think a Geologist.

Damion Hellstrom was a college professor

"Used to" being the key words here.

>Not every character you read needs to be "This is me"

Fuck you, cishet white shitlord. Your kind has been "Is Me" for too long and now is the time of ambiguously brown gender studies major protagonists!

Yeah, they're bad at that now.

Contruction Worker Thor. Architect Thor, and Paramedic Thor were also all acceptable.

I've heard drawing furry shit gets you the big bucks

>Captain America
>Leading the Avengers every day
>Drawing "Big Futa Dick" every night

To be fair, he is his own fursona

Because at least Marvel heroes *have* bills to pay.

The major DC ones really don't. Except Bruce and Clark.

Which DC heroes don't have bills to pay?

Diana's held down a few jobs herself. Though her resume is a bit absurd compared to say, Clark or Barry's.

She provides advice to various people on supernatural and extra-dimensional problems, perhaps.

He worked for an advertising agency, and then was hired by Marvel Comics to draw the in-universe Captain America comic, and it paid the bills just fine.

Hal got evicted from his apartment because he couldn't pay his rent.

Anyone sad we never got a "Cap quits Marvel in a huff over creator's rights and starts his own comic book company! With blackjack! And hookers!" arc?

in 1961 they were more human than dc counterparts

That was a life ago.

Back then it didn't.
But now it does.

All you need to do is open a patreon and start drawing porn.
If you're good enough, you'll make thousands of dollars a month.
If >Shadman can do it, any halfway decent artist can.

Yep. But that wasn't because they had jobs, although that certainly helped. It was mainly the fact that their alter agos had personality and lives of their own and there was not always a clear divide between the alter ego and the hero.

Would have been pretty ironic considering Gruenwald was one of the only people who stayed at Marvel through all of the shit in the mid-90's.

Except this is actually what I was thinking

Do Avengers even get paid?
In the original Ultimates it was a big plotpoint that government spends billions on superheroes and not everyone is happy about it

>Image
>Bringing a writer/editor with them.

He was their natural enemy.

>Bunch of white guys

the fact that they parade around with the title "relatable" makes me want to read DC instead

>That's the thing. They don't have to be relatable. Not every character you read needs to be "This is me"

no user, you just want it to read "This is not you, faggot"

It has nothing to do with you and you know it

There was an 80's story where Spiderman wanted to be on the Avengers because the paycheck was great.

But that's essentially Marvel Comics user

I really think that Hal as a flake when he's on Earth should be brought back.

I've always been surprised that he didn't go over to DC since he was a huge Justice League fanboy

Yes. That's what I was implying.

He was a bigger Captain America fanboy.

Dude read everything every published with Captain America in it.

Hank Pym is one of the only Marvel characters who's even flawed or relatable anymore
So of course he gets fucked over

He was offered an editorial position, but he felt too loyal to Marvel to leave while he thought they needed him.

>Spiderman used to have a day job
>spiderman used to have a family
>spiderman used to balance the every day nonsense of life with being a superhero
>spiderman used to be fun and relatable
>then spiderman had a midlife crisis
>spiderman ran a multimillion dollar science company
>spiderman became a german man living inside his brain
>spiderman is dumb now

To be honest the "can't balance heroing and high-school, college, girlfriend, etc" shtick is kind of overdone

it is a bit, but it was still relate-able, because people feel like they can't balance that shit as it is, because their lives are unhappy and devoid of meaning

>relatable
who cares?

you could argue that about costumes and superpowers in general. it's only overdone by people copying it.

Yes, that's right. But I can't help but cringe when I see another one "can't be on date in time, because he was fighting supervillains" plot