A bunch of ragtag underpaid nips manage to animate an american cartoon 10x better than americans themselves

>a bunch of ragtag underpaid nips manage to animate an american cartoon 10x better than americans themselves
>not just this show but several others as well

How come?

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They have no socialism, no trade unions and no worker's rights.
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Tiny toons is anime?

Cherry picking, that's from the movie.

Every other episode done by this specific studio looks just as good.

Tbh, most 90's cartoons were made with people who knew what they were doing, today's standards are just random people picked up from tumblr and other shitty places.

How come nips make great animation for Americans but most of their own productions look like static images?

Japan sounds like heaven

TMS is hardly a ragtag bunch. They've been around since the 60's and are a major player in anime.

if you're not a grunt
but honestly, I'd rather have a job as an artist/animator at all on minimum wage (as long art school isn't 30k a semester) than having protected rights

>How come nips make great animation for Americans but most of their own productions look like static images?
American foot the bill for good animation for a world audience
when they're making for themselves they need to pander to niche audiences and take A LOT of shortcuts to stay even

laziness

This is why most of their protagonists in their media are school children.
While hard on it's own, it reminds them of the best time of their life.

I really like how crisp Japanese line work is. Even effects like motion blur are simulated with clean but distorted line drawings. The style is perfectly suited for cel animation.

try again

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>today's standards are just random people picked up from tumblr and other shitty places.
t. person with no ambition

Because animation is very labor intensive and time consuming.

It depends on who is making it. The best series come from small, dedicated teams who just really want to produce the best stuff they can.
The worst stuff comes from endless series (shounen jump adaptions) and from soulless made-by-committee crap.

he's not wrong, though.

Nice of you to cherry pick from a movie. Also TMS had quite a bit of reused animation

>Nice of you to cherry pick from a movie.
How is this cherrypicking?

All of the japanese animated episodes of Tiny Toons and Animaniacs looked like this. The animators were always on their shit. Have you not watched either of these shows or something?

>a bunch of newfags fall for a Famicom thread
Take your Hamtaro-loving ass out of here

Nice try, Abe, but no American will apply to work in Japan just to do some shitty inbetweening.
Go ask South East Asians to do that instead.
The rest of the world is working on inbetweening software.

seems like a lot of the japs actually learn how to art when they go to art schools. they have far superior grasps of perspective and movement while Americans are busy discussing whether everyone's nose should be red

Higher levels of discipline and being less lazy in general.

Not as bad as Kennedy.

Seriously, what WAS with all those dance cycles?

And Americans are lazy and have no passion but Japs do?

YES IT'S HAPPENING

das cute yo

>They have no socialism, no trade unions and no worker's rights.

First off, the OP is basically cherry picking, and ignoring a lot of good western animation.

Secondly, that would be a living hell for most workers, and the economy would be fucked if wealth was just allowed to collect at the top like that.

>Animator: "Boss, we need to deliver the episode in hours and we still haven't finished it"
>Boss: "Don't worry, just put the dancing animation to fill whatever gasp there is"
>Animator "You sure boss? We still have to fill 3 minutes worth to complete the episode"
>Boss: "It's OK, is just a cartoon, kids will never notice"

>literal slavery

Is how

>implying Abe wants more gaijins in his country
Just see how Japan's attitude changes after the Olympics.

I bet it's heaven for you, mr goldberg

They really don't, loads of anime are horrendous at this

Fuck off, TMS Fag.

Japanese are famous for their Zaibatsus.
It goes so far as these Megacorps having their own doctors. So if you are sick, you need to visit the corporate doctor to get a sick note, a regular doctor won't cut it.
They also have their own kindergarten where you can park your children while you work your ass off to the point, where most Japanese don't even bother to have them in the first place (and not because animu makes them impotent or whatever the hipster mags try to sell of as the real reason why Japanese are dying out).
Also their unquestionable obedience to authority is jarring. It's almost as bad as in South Korea. It becomes a problem, when there is a problem and you want to know what the problem is, and they keep pussyfooting around it, which I found the most irritating. The whole world could witness it when Fukushima blew up and Tepco, the company running that thing, did the exact same thing.
Also outside the box thinking is heavily discouraged in their culture. This is prevalent in the most of East Asia.
That said, we all tend to make fun of North Korea and the bizarre things surrounding it. But once you are familiar with South Korean culture, you realise that what happens in the North is a typically Korean thing to do.

How come the japs can animate western shows good, but they completely suck dick at animating their japanese cartoons?

Less budget (means no opportunity for the staff to take holidays), and most importantly, less time to actually work on their own shows.
The better-looking anime shows tend to have one and half year to work out the kinds and get it ready.
Most have 6 months at most to finish production (after the sponsors have met up and signed the contracts and hired the animation studio to work on it) and get the episodes ready for TV release.
The Japanese are very bad at time management. But nobody wants to talk about it, because after all, the animation studio got the contract for working on a show by promising to the sponsors and rights holder that they could finish it cheaper, earlier and still good enough to fulfill its purpose of promoting the source material.

The main reason being that there's actually an abundance of anime studios and animators in Japan, keeping prices down. For the producers in Japan as well as the West, it's a veritable goldmine. Easy to exploit, because the studios in Japan are so dumb and incapable in handling their finances that they must take every job they can.

2600 yen a hour is not underpaid, thats a good salary.
JAniCA will like to have a word with you.

Granted they did not show up until 2007, but still.
Bigger budgets and bigger pay checks.
Bingo.
No. Not at 2600 yen a hour.
JAniCA says hi.
Eric does not ditch his animation overseas, he's a ex-Disney animator for Pete sakes.
Only higher end anime takes 5/6 months to finnish, most only take 2 months to complete.

That is if you're talking about 1 cour shows.

Three words:

Money.

Money.

Money.

Space Dandy will not get budgets of 1 million dollar per episode.

>ignoring a lot of good western animation

Name a western TV cartoon movie that has better animation.

Some of the episodes already did, mostly episodes 2 and 17 due to to how much more money TMS (Telecom) pays their staff over Bones.

Ed Edd n Eddy Big Picture Show

youtu.be/ewROjqb1N20

Famicom, stop living in your own fantasy lalaland.

That''s a good movie too

No.

Fuck off, TMS Fag.

Okay, first off, that 2500-5000 yen per cut, depending on how complex it is and who's animating. And that usually translates out to $23-$45 in US money, and with anime episodes having more and more animators working on them thanks to crappy deadlines and having to share only a few hundred cuts between anywhere from 1-100+ animators, that isn't a lot, which is why most key animators are hopping from anime to anime to get work done.

Secondly, the one who posted this remark () is either being sarcastic, or mocking. I have no idea why you would be taking that seriously.

Never seen this before but I thought it was good in its own right. Doesn't rely heavily on flat camera angles and focused more on comedic timing. Great contortion too. The Canada is strong in this one.

Not per cut, per hour and the only major anime Telecom did in the 90s was Farewell to Nostradamus.

That with Ozanari Dungeon, The 14th Target and a handful of episodes of Virtua Fighter and Monster Rancher were the only anime Telecom did in the 90s, it was almost nothing but western work in the 90s due to larger pay checks and better deadlines.

Animated in South Korea, not Canada.

Man, I should have figured. Thought I was going to be able to give non-eastern studio some credit.

What's good in Western animation right now? What shows or studios are there to watch out for, independent or not?

How do we get japan to stop killing themselves

>Nice try, Abe, but no American will apply to work in Japan just to do some shitty inbetweening.

There is one. Henry Thurlow.
The game has got so far he eventually established an anime studio.

If you sub Americans for westerners, there's also the likes of Thomas Romain.
Artists sacrifice a lot to do what they love, it's why so few can do it and why we love them for it.

Reminder that Famicom is a subhuman flip autist in his forties who has been IRL shitposting about TMS since the 90s. Somebody report him to the pinoy cops for drug possession, if we're lucky they'll summarily execute him.

Ireland has been showing up lately. Do animation for Disney XD shit like Wander over Yonder as well as special productions like the stuff made by Cartoon Salon.

>How do we get japan to stop killing themselves?

Why would we want to?

Nothing you said is true.

NO! Avoid Disney's TV unit like the plague as they always treated their TV unit like a red headed step child, even in the TMS & Disney Japan/Australia days.

It's why next to no one talks about the TV unit and only talk about the feature unit, even when the feature unit is in a rough time.

Nobody has believed your lies since the days of dial-up Dennis. Please kill yourself and stop polluting the only threads where any people here actually try to discuss animation.

My name is not Dennis and I'm not lying, AVOID DISNEY'S TV UNIT LIKE THE PLAGUE, most people do so anyway.

>ragtag underpaid nips
>manage to
AKA survive by managing to

The hell, what are you even talking about now?

Seriously, do you even know what you're talking about? Do you have any proof on this? Did you just pull it from your ass or mangle some "source" to fit your needs?

web.archive.org/web/20110912085610/http://www.telecom-anime.com/telecom/sakuhinreki/nenpyo2_i.html

It will also help if you Google the projects that were brought up as well.

The only times nips animate well is when working for Americans

no he's completely wrong

networking and being pleasant to be around is also an important factor when it comes to getting a job in animation, if you wanna bitch about tumblr not having any talent and yet for some reason they're getting hired then post your cartoons or something

Or AAA list features from the likes of Miyazaki, Takahata, Oshii and Hosoda.

Congrats on suggesting the wrong solution for the problem of Japan's horrible work environment. Last thing anyone needs is some Socialists coming in and making shit infinity worse.

And what american studios were doing TV cartoons in 90s? The only one I can think of is Startoons, who frequently outclassed TMS.

TMS was extremely variable, and only occasionally did they produce work as good as your webm. When TMS was bad, they were easily worse that most of the other animation studios WBTA used.

Don't worry, this will never happen. They are too conservative for that.
The only strongholds the commies have are Okinawa and the Fukushima survivors.

No they were not, they were number 2.
Japanese studios outsource alot and if TMS came back with bad animation it's only because TMS did not do the animation in house and ditched it to a low tier studio like Magic Bus (Japanese version of Akom) or Tokyo Kids and in Spider-Man's case Korean studios.

I agree with Spider-Man (though that had a literary of issues, not just both halves of the animation). What's your hate-boner with Magic Bus?

They still get more work than Akom (who basically only have The Simpsons as of 2017) and were never fired off of a project *coughbatmancough"

Not all of TMS's American projects were outsourced, their in-house work was also pretty uneven too. Hell, How I Spent My Vacaction was key animated in-house and the animation varied between the subplots and seemed to favor the Happy World Land and Elmyra plotlines over the others.

The fact you seem to overlook that sort of thing baffles me to no end. Sure outsourced episodes are almost always sub-standard, but you have to face facts- the in-house staff could get sloppy too. Even StarToons was guilty of this at times, not as often as TMS, mind, but still.

But animators with actual talent cost more.

Fuck off, TMS Fag.

One word, "PASSION". If you really love what you do, then your work will really show, compared to doing only for money and fame and only on a weekday 7-8 hours a day. People who have passion for what they love are willing to take risks and spent and waste time and money on something they love doing even if it kills them. Yes it was hard but that's what real work is, that's what passion is.