How do we bring down Batman as a property?

How do we bring down Batman as a property?

I'm officially annoyed enough to talk about this. I'm pretty tired of the Batwank that infests popular culture. How do we get rid of him? What could comic book fans do?

Nothing, I like Batman. Batwanks annoying, but honestly not a super huge deal. Suck 30 cocks and get thrice laid by a Geldemore

Not at the consequence of Johns' just giving his fav Hal the spot, that's for sure.
Rebirth was such unsubtle, mouthpiece, fanboy horseshit itself.

Do you have any idea how much ma money the Bat family makes for DC. No. We need them

there isn't much you can do. people just seem to relate to the guy better

>DC
>Get rid of the only character they have left who's solo can consistently push 100k in sales
Are you a fucking moron, OP?

That's pretty rad

I usually hate Stewart

They should make Batman a black teenage trans Muslim

Stop buying other books unless they get good writers. People who keep hyping up Tomasi's Superman and Jurgens Action comics is the reason DC will never put their best talent on Superman. They know that Superfags will keep buying shit. Same goes for other characters. Stop buying unless they have someone like Busiek and Marini.

Clearly the first step is crying about things you don't likem, like a little bitch.

You can't kill the Batman media empire, OP. The closest anyone ever came was Joel Schumacher making the Batman name box office poison, but even then, it really only impacted the movies, and only for a few years at that. The Batman film franchise was back to being a license to print money inside of a decade. Even if the current film iteration of Batman tanks worse than the Schumacher ones did, there's no reason to expect it couldn't rise again in five or six years. The demand's clearly there.

The one you should really be concerned about is Superman. That particular brand seems as weak as Batman's is resilient. Hasn't had a dedicated cartoon in years, doesn't get as much merch (though he does get t-shirts, I'll admit that there is a HUGE market for "S" t-shirts), couldn't get more than the occasional tongue-in-cheek nod in CWVerse shows until very recently (and even now, he doesn't appear in his own show, it's as part of someone else's show), hasn't had a good movie since Superman II (MAYBE Returns, if you're feeling charitable)... It's a sorry state of affairs.

batman has consistently had some of the best media out of DC
BTAS for one
The nolan films tho they're deeply flawed on a filmic level they're still some of the most popular versions of the characters
series that sell well (although one could argue that people buy it because its batman, and the name doesn't matter, but that's also leftovers from the speculator era where people think big name comics will be worth something in the future)

well at least the fanwank with batman is not about increasing his "powers" like with other super heroes.
See Flash or Spiderman for worst fanwank, its like accelerator shit on Sup Forums

Batman is cáncer and so are his fanboys

>well at least the fanwank with batman is not about increasing his "powers" like with other super heroes.
What? LOL. Guy is impossible to outsmart.

>The one you should really be concerned about is Superman
You're retarded. Supes isn't anywhere near Bats but he's still in third behind Batman and Flash in sales.
>Hasn't had a dedicated cartoon in years
No one has, and the last Batman cartoon bombed. GL bombed. YJ just got brought back.
>hasn't had a good movie since Superman II
MoS was a good movie. BvS was way fucking worse, and that was a Batman movie featuring Superman and WW.

There really was no need for you to start shitposting about Superman just because Batman got attacked. GL has fallen harder than Supes. His comic is shit, his movie was terrible, his cartoon was a failure, and his animated movies bombed too.

How about you buy other comics? Who knows, maybe you'll enjoy comics instead of being mad one character is more popular than others and he's what most buyers want?

Maybe.

>wanting to get rid of Gotham's protecter
You're not fooling anyone, Penguin

Go to bed Joker, no one cares

Hold up, let me put on my drone decryption tools:

>How do we bring down Batman as a property?

>filtering...
>translation found:

>How do we bring down books that constantly outsell Marvel and keep them out of the top 10 every month?

Ah, there we go. That clears things up nicely.

Fuck off mousketeer.

You don't. Just grow up and realize none of this shit matters. Batman is popular because he earned it. It only makes sense for him to gether more special treat from time to time. Its really not that different than most of the other heroes.

"Batwank" is a meme. People that dislike Batman only bring up the bs moments to sell people on it. They never bring up all the other times Batman has easily jobbed in pretty much every story he's in.

>he earned it
>"Batwank"is a meme

Try being a mature adult for once in your life.

Let's compare sales, laddy
Even in the DCEU, Batman is King.

As much as I want other Heroes (GL/Shazam/Supes), they just do not have the same level of mass appeal as the Man in a Bat costume.

How did he not earn it? Also actully read some comic books instead of just looking up shitty scans on google images. Batwank is not really a thing Every hero is wanked, even the ones that don't need to be.

Superman is an optimistic character, there's no appetite for optimism.

You're deluded as fuck, no one gives a fuck about Superman anymore. Superman died as a cultural icon the day Christopher Reeves lost his legs.

>Batwank is not really a thing
You don't read comics at all, holy shit. You're such a fucking newbie.

Those sales are due to batwank, learn 2 economics you newbie child.

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Nah man that was a great page

lol dat batwank

I'm curious how he's able to get so much content for himself and it's not diluting him. Other characters have trouble being front and center in so many stories and yet Batman has consistently shown that he can sell anything to anyone.

Is it the comic the new justice league movie is based on?

No. We only need to get rid of Harley and the Batfamily.

>What could comic book fans do?

Not buy Batman...?

If you think batwank is actually a thing then you must be mentally a child.

Since this is a semi-Green Lantern thread along with Batman thread I finished reading the Hal and Pals Fracture storyline last night, what are your thoughts on it? I honestly feel like Tomar did nothing wrong but Soranik was the one who took things over the top. They could've avoided the whole collapse of the alliance if Soranik hadn't taken things too personally.

Vendetti already hinted that Parallax latched unto Soranik, probably as a revenge thing because she's Sinestros kid.

I'm just mad Guy and Arkillo's friendship got ruined because of it, they had a beautiful thing going on. Since Quest for Hope ended it seems like Vendetti has really found his footing with Hal and Pals.

Personally he can write individual characters fine but when tries to write a corp book the book suffers, I mean GL#21~40 was basically a corp book since Hal was always with the corp but when Hal became hobo Hal writing improved.

What really makes me mad about shit like this is that Batman is a fucking terrible character now.

He's got no personality beyond being "teh smartest" and brooding. His relationships with his rogue's have diminished from complex to him fucking catwoman and the joker wanting to fuck him.

I don't like saying this, but he's just not the Batman I grew up with.

The writers on the bat books are shitty writers. No one here is going to defend Snyder as actually decent OR claim King is the best thing to happen to Bruce Wayne in the past few years.

So your argument is pretty worthless.

>Gets caught with his hand so close to WW's ass that it gets tangled in the lasso
>Still tries to immediately highroad Batman

God damn, Hal. Do they give out rings for sheer fucking ballsiness?

>People who keep hyping up Tomasi's Superman and Jurgens Action comics is the reason DC will never put their best talent on Superman.

what did user mean by this?

>What could comic book fans do?
Ignore Batman and his supporting characters. Don't rant how much you hate them, just pretend they don't exist.

Start talking up other DC franchises, teams, and characters. Research obscure properties, bring them up often like it's the most natural thing for DC fans to know and care about them. Storytime obscure titles. Focus on discussing other characters in Metal and similar events.

And by "other properties", I don't mean fucking Superman.

You want to kill DC?

>Batman is popular because he earned it

KEK

Yeah, Justice League: Origin.

what other alternative is there? How else does he become popular?

I'd read a Snyder or King Bat book over Tomasi, Venditti or Williamson.

The batman i grew up with always wanted to fuck catwoman. But i agree with that this whole relation with the joker is bullshit on many levels.

Batman will soon have minis by Busiek and Marini, while I can't even recall the last time any other justice leaguer had anything good. If your answer is Johns Aquaman, GL and Flash, then you're the part of the problem.
I'd read a Snyder or King Bat book over Tomasi, Venditti or Williamson.

>Literally proving the point

Lizard men putting chemicals in the water to make Batman popular

>JUST a MAN
>Rein it IN, John
Sounds like gay porn

Looks like it too desu

>It's not a big deal
>He is the only character you are allowed to really make adaptations for 90% of the time
>He has to shove his bat dick into everything

Yeah, when an IP makes 90% of your non comic media it's hard for it to not have the best stuff.

DC pushes him so much more than any other hero.

>well at least the fanwank with batman is not about increasing his "powers" like with other super heroes.
Batman's super power is that he has a natural deus ex machina to power him. It's so strong that people in the real world can't even see the shit he pulls.

What's wrong with John's Aquaman? Honestly Aquaman has been pretty consistent since the start of New52

>Rebirth was such unsubtle, mouthpiece, fanboy horseshit itself.
That's basically all of Johns.

Jesus, John, Hal tried to destroy the fucking Universe.

Because he's popular.

But the others had a chance. Batman was the only one consistently successful since the 89 movie.
Every attempt at making Superman a thing failed, even shit like Death of Superman only worked for a little bit. The Flash TV show also failed. Wonder Woman had a failed pilot as well (but at least she might finally break out after the movie). The Green Lantern movie failed.
Let's not forget Batman spent about 8 years without any big media push and none of the other DC characters never managed to beat him in popularity.

>the only character you are allowed to really make adaptations for 90% of the time
>not because of the fact that DC fucks up everything BUT batman 90% of the time

But King is the best thing to happen to Bruce Wayne in the past few years.

King's Batman is mediocre at best

Better than Snyder's that's for shure

1 is technically greater than 0 but it's still not 10

The real question is how we can get casuals and batfags to buy different characters so those characters can get some of his limelight

git gud

Out him like the pedo he is

The solution is not to bring Batman down. The solution is to elevate other characters.

Nothing. Batman is much much bigger than comics at this point. At worst we could all drop every batbook, but that would just lead to more dumb gimmicks and eventually instead of Tom King we'd have like Jason Aaron shitting out a low effort run.

Batman is fine.
Batman fanboys (you know, the kind that always goes "Batman should be unstoppable, defeat any foe with ease because he's so amazing and never face any challenge or otherwise it's bad writing, but I still can relate to him because he's soooo human") need to fuck off, though. But unfortunately we can't get rid of them.

what is the point?

it just sounds like another guy rambling about "muh risks"

>You're deluded as fuck, no one gives a fuck about Superman anymore.
Sure kiddo whatever helps you sleep at night.

How about we bring Wonder Woman down instead?
She's a shitty character who, unlike most other heroes, never had a consistent personality. Her design is definition of bland. She doesn't have any good stories (b-but muh Rucka, muh Perez, muh Azz - all shit) and her rogue gallery is garbage.

But Batfags are no better since they kept buying while first Snyder and then King were on. Besides the non Sup Forumsntrarian has enjoyed Tomasi's Superman, frankly I have enjoyed him. Who should be on that's currently writing for DC?

>Let's not forget Batman spent about 8 years without any big media push and none of the other DC characters never managed to beat him in popularity.
Green Lantern was outselling him pre-FP. Also you're being a dumbass, Supes had S:TAS, and was basically the co-star of JL with Batman.

This man is correct everyone else can go home.

I don't hate Snyder's Batman but this is funny and true.

All this does nothing but make my point. They all had their turn in the spotlight yet none of them capitalized it in lasting popularity, while Batman kept being the most popular even when he didn't have any major hits.