Want to learn to animate but don't know where to start

>want to learn to animate but don't know where to start
>what's the point since Sup Forums will just hate me anyway

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same desu

Learn how to tween and do smears and you're at the same level as everyone else in the industry.

2D animation is a dying industry anyway, 3D is where it's at.

start by quitting, there is no future in animation

Bouncing balls and flour sacks.

>make a cartoon
>Sup Forums hates you because you're not Chuck Jones
>Tumblr hates you because your show isn't diverse enough
>Normies don't acknowledge your existence because they don't watch cartoons that aren't Rick and Morty
>Kids hate you because your show will never be as interesting as other shit that's already on
>If you get any of these people to actually like your show enough, they turn into disgusting human beings that will probably stab you to death in your home because you accidentally miscolored someone's shoelace in episode 25b or because you picked the wrong ship to make canon

Cartoons were a mistake. They're nothing but trash. Same for comics, actually. Can we just fucking delete this board and get on with our lives...?

why do you want to start animating for others OP ? do it for yourself. Richard williams book about animation is a good start. And you're not forced to draw character if you want, there's so many things to animate : fx (fire/water/...), animals, background, props(flowers, broken chairs, cars), ... Just, do what you want to do, and 2D animation got a limitless potential. Srlsy, just take papers, a pen and go for it.

If we already hate you, then you are already half way there.

>but don't know where to start

Learn to draw first, thats obviously important
Read the Animators Handbook, it's good.

Don't do stuff for approval, do stuff 'cuz you want to do it. Hate to say it honestly, but if you learn how to make and rig puppets, you can probably get pretty far with very little effort on your part.

Squash and stretch and weight. What about flow?

Can you draw, user? Having some halfway-decent drawing skills is good to have at the beginning, but you don't need to be a master. Just something more than stick figures.

First thing is to just try it. I don't know if you have an animation program, but OpenToonz is free, and I think Photoshop and Krita have animation capabilities as well. See what you come up with at first, then start working on improving.

Look up the 7 principles of animation and practice each one. Just animate a ball to start with - even just a ball will come alive if you apply proper animation techniques to it.

Good luck. It's a lot of work, but it's also a lot of fun. Treat it as a labor of love.

Why do you care what these spunknuggets think about you?

Cuphead was the last hand drawn 2d

Well it's better than wasting your time complaining about it. Just make something faggot, somebody is bound to enjoy it. And if people don't like it, don't listen to them and make something else.

if you don't know how to draw
>pick up Fun With a Pencil
>git decent (enough to give your drawings depth)
>then look up Animators Survival Kit, get yourself a pencil and some index cards.
>then Cartoon Animation by Preston Blair
Don't expect to be good at it either

not OP but thanks for that list of books they all look like a fun read

If you want to animate just to get other people's approval then you were never going to be successful in the first place.

>tfw drew that
>pretty much did exactly that, and as a poorfag third worlder with pirated programs
>made a bunch of projects like pic related that didn't go anywhere but served as valuable experience to learn the process
>made lots of collaborative friends along the way, voice actors, other animators, etc
>now have a pretty reliable team and we're working on shorts together, making a horror animation, scripting a miniseries, and about to apply a demo reel to a local studio this week
>can pretty much safely asume I can work on this as a living while also be able to artistically satisfy myself by making no budget stuff online whenever you want

feels good, man.

>what's the point since Sup Forums will just hate me anyway
Nah, whining on Sup Forums about how unskilled you are will get people lining up to be your shoulder to cry on.
It's when someone actually shows confidence and believes their idea is worth a TV show, that they get jeered at.

>Tumblr hates you because your show isn't diverse enough
The solution to that is simply to change the skin color of one or more main characters. If you haven't published anything yet, then there's really nothing to lose unless you have an attachment to generic white skin.

I learned to draw at 21 when I wanted to make cartoons. I ended up in comics, but it's way more fun than animation anyways! Also animation places love comics people.

Get these books/videos and give up 3-4 hours a day for a few years.

For general writing and being interesting-
Cartooning Philosophy and Practice
How To Say Everything by Tom Hart
The Hero With 1000 Faces
Watch videos of talks by Ray Bradbury on youtube.
Almost no book on actually making comics outside of these in my experience is worth it's time. Read what novelist and film makers have to say about story telling. 90% of cartoonists couldn't identify a good story structure if they were choking on it.

For actual drawing-
Glenn Vilpuu drawing videos. (Torrent them if you can't buy them.)
John K's blog. Idk if it still exists but he had a cartooning course set up kinda.
Don't get too wild here. Draw from life and the world as much as possible.

Having an original voice and interesting things to say are more important than technical skill. Also learn to talk to people and not be an asshole. Most people who complain that comics and animation are hard industries are also fucking pricks. I have shit for skill and I have had sit downs with people at Nick and CN.

Enjoy the process. The first two years are amazing because the world seems so open and available. When it gets dark try to find that place again.

Follow your dreams and don't be boring user.

Congrats user. How did you wind up breaking in?

There is no such thing as breaking in to anything. You just make enough cool stuff and get it out enough that slowly people know and meet you. You just always move forward, yell as loud as you can, and do your best.

Fun story. I am sitting on a plane ticket because I was supposed to meet someone from Nick next week. Chris Savino. Things go wrong or sideways, you just keep pushing. We live on a crazy beautiful planet.

So there's hope I can make the next big animated series?

Also the idea of breaking in is toxic and a good way to get ruined. Don't let companies trick you into a cycle of busting your hump paycheck to paycheck. You will never have time to develop your own stuff and have a good time. I would work at target before taking any offer for long term work from most medium comics companies. I'm look at you boom.

If you have a good idea probably. It's a lot of luck and connections. Don't talk too many animators unless they are older. Most of the people who call the shots are easily googlable or easy to find in other ways, and most of them only have like 300 instagram followers.

Also a good mental technology is to remember you don't have to be the best, you just have to be better than the worst person in the room. If you can do work better than the bottom rung, start bothering people about stuff.

I'm like 23 and always wanted to make some cool animated series Sup Forums can talk about, I just hope it isn't too late for me, but it probably isn't.

tell me user how did you have the patience for it and how to stop Sup Forums from eating up your time

>what's the point since Sup Forums will just hate me anyway

Pfffft! Fuck Sup Forums! No really, fuck Sup Forums!

NO REALLY, FUCK Sup Forums!

what do you all think of Cuphead?

It's my favorite game of the year. I love the animation and the game is honestly a bit challenging.

man, this thought process is tiresome.

You don't need anyone's permission to make animated stuff, dude. You can scrounge up talent from anywhere, organize, and make shit yourself on your own terms. Heck, its easier than ever now, you can just crowdfund shit if you really really need a budget (though a surprising amount of people are willing to work for free just to be involved in a creative process and learn, man, dont be stingy)

Trying to get in the industry is fine but god damn man, most of those big animated shows are pretty much flash in the pans made by well connected californians. The odds are so slim of anyone not born into that world, getting into that world, that you legitimately have better odds just doing the thing yourself. And you should, especially if you're young. I'm 20, I'm animating stuff, sure a job's nice, but don't conflate passion and a job, man.

Just fucking do it, man, scooby doo that shit if you have to, work part time jobs to get a budget if you want to hire randos or comission inbetweeners, or do it all for free, but just do it, don't wait your whole life to "make it" just to get your baby into the hands of people that primarily sell ads.

>Wanting to make something just to please Sup Forums
>Not wanting to make your vision a reality and share your world and characters with everyone

Don't worry about what others think about your project before its even made. Do what you want and see if other people like it. Start with drawing or making a webcomic.

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Get hustling. I was a gross punk kid when I started taking my life seriously. Get some good hygiene, learn to talk to new people and be fun.

Go to cons and meet friends. It's hard and weird, but it's the most important thing. Most of my early gets were things my friends didn't have time for and they passed off to me.

Most importantly be original. It's so easy to stand out today with everyone rushing after trends and following whatever the hot thing of the day is. Everyone even draws kind of the same. My biggest personal influence is Rob Liefeld even though I don't do capes type drawings.

Hella people break into art and media in their 40's and stuff. Just bust your ass and don't move to LA until you have money already. It costs less for me to fly to meetings and events than live there.

I don't have internet in my studio so I don't check it. I fucked up my drivers so photoshop wont show me my files so it's just on until they download. I also use a flipphone. The struggle is real as fuck.

OP, listen to this guy except the well connected bits. Turn down bad jobs or offers from big people. Prove yourself in the pits. But also anyone can pitch to most networks if they are crafty.

what the fuck happened to adventure time? It's like the creators have a fetish for making Finn as miserable as possible

But you could also be great and create something that Sup Forums and the whole rest of the world loves one day. Don't deprive us all of your gifts, OP.

>how did you have the patience for it and how to stop Sup Forums from eating up your time

I had the double edged sword of being venezuelan and immigrating out of the country right around the time when the society decayed drastically. I was already aware my education would be useless since i'd just have to get a GED, so I decided to spend the time in school learning how to draw and my time at home learning how to animate. I made a lot of projects that failed completely, unfinished comics botched animations, but it was all so much better than if I'd landed on a golden goose and stagnated. I pretty much had nothing else I could look forward to with my life. If I'd been more patient I probably couldve gotten into vidya dev, which in retrospect would've been more profitable.

Also Sup Forums is a great place for contrarianism and if you can read between the lines you can actually find a pretty decent well of information on both an artistic front (what it is people see as the status quo and what most people would like to see otherwise) and on a more general cultural note. Extreme isolation can fuck you up, so its good to almost treat time here as a safari in fringe education.

Honestly, the only person who says the ride is over is you. You're the person who can decide they're going to start something, and when to end it. You've got to be proactive and know the balance between killing yourself over something you love and having a balanced life.

Don't be a virgin rick, be a chad xavier.

That makes sense. One mantra I've always carried is that if you're not getting recognized, keep improving and/or put out enough art that people have to pay attention. I guess I meant more, there's a big difference between doing it for fun and actually getting paid to do it, especially with how cutthroat(?) the industry is.

thanks user

The industry really isn't that cut throat. There are just so many people trying to get in or want to ask about getting in who haven't demonstrated the ability to finish anything. (Most people who are really good still can't finish things to save their lives.)

If you finish a book or two on your own and it's medium okay, and it's not a carbon copy clone of the same 900 books everyone is doing at that minute you can probably get sit downs with a lot of people pretty easily.

>read the thread
>find some really solid advice
>become motivated
>remember I'm a useless piece of shit who has no work ethic and can't even make it out of highschool being 19 years old
>go back to being unmotivated

Men like me were never meant to dream.

I'm one of the people posting advice who has had sit downs with people. I do not have a highschool degree. I dropped out and was #punx for a long time. Shut up and start working towards what you want.

How do artists develop their own style? Does it come out naturally or does it take some conscious thinking?

If you learn to draw by copying you will take on parts of what you copy. It's legit.

If I ever learned how to draw, could I live a modest yet comfortable life by working on porn commissions every week?

We have two whole boards just for this, retard. You don't need to do it on Sup Forums.

Your style is what feels most appealing and easy to you personally.

>Can you draw
>2017 toons
lol

as a guy with no idea where to start, thanks for these posts anons

What you did or didn't do in high school means NOTHING. ZERO.
It is hard to believe at that age but it is virtually one of the most insignificant parts of your life.
I was in your shoes a little over 10 years ago. I felt like a stupid motherfucker. My grades were shit. I could only pass softball classes like history and electives. I don't think I ever even made it to high school level math classes. Never went to college because I figured I was too dumb for it anyways.
After about 7 or so years of working shit jobs and then just giving up to NEETism, I decided to turn all that shit around. The thing I wanted to learn was computer programming. So instead of watching anime and feeling sorry for myself all the time, I decided I could learn that thing I always wanted to learn. And I did it. After a few years of self study it is what I do for a living now.
I wish I would have dragged myself out of that hole at 19, instead of 28.

Thanks user, that's really encouraging. I still can't find something I really want to do. All my life I've been watching other people's works rather than producing my own. I tried writing, but every time I got something done I immediately quit because it was either too bad to make me want to continue or because it was too good for me to think I'd be able to keep that quality level.

Tumblr will find away to hate the show and accuse it of being racist. They can't just like a show. They need to destroy it for their own moral outrage when it gets too popular. Just like they did with Steven Universe.

>They can't just like a show
So, just like us, right?

getting Sup Forums to hate you is the best part

Well shit, I have a very small comic book that I consider to be mediocre, but I guess I should put that more at the forefront of my portfolio.

So fucking true

Sup Forums /ic/ is a den of faggots who take their frustration out on those they believe could accomplish something, because they know they can't do shit themselves. Don't listen to them, they aren't worth anyone's attention and I've already given too much of it

>generic white skin
kek, whites aren't generic by defauIt

People who make cartoons don't do the animation themselves. If you want to make a show, get a degree, find an internship, and work your way up the ladder.

>Got rich, by luck, off le crypto meme but don't know what to spend money on while at the same time not wanting to just piss it away on impulse and showoff spending
>Would love to fund animation projects, even some Sup Forums endeavor
>Have heard all sorts of horror stories about how unreliable artists are

more like
>I have money but dont know how to make connections with artists looking for funding

That is also very true.

just fund a bunch of patreons

The interest was to be a producer-type to a definite project(s) though, not just an IV drip of money to someone(s).

>enter thread
>expect some depressing shit
>come to find great advice and inspiring testimonials
>Motivation kicks in
Sometimes I love this place.

Do you have a discord/skype/email/whatever? I'm part of a group that's trying to get off the ground and make shorts and other animated content. I live in a marketing area where pitching stuff for release is actually feasable and has the chance to release and compete in the market, and we could use a budget to also hire some additional legwork and have others work full time instead of part time on projects.

I know its barking up a weird shilly tree, but if you're serious, dude, I know people who'd be dedicated and I know where to market, and I'd like to at least talk to you about it.

me too user, me too

Lets not forget
>make ONE joke that has meme potential
>You did not intend for this joke to have meme potential
>retards shout it out at every opportunity and make your show look bad by extension. not that It wasnt going bad already.

I wonder if the person who pitched Pickle Rick and the Szechuan sauce feel ashamed for creating this.

>born in shithole
welp i tried

>meanwhile, a fucking venezuelan made it
no excuses, just freelance online.

>get on with our lives.

But this is all I have.

>what's the point since Sup Forums will just hate me anyway
If this is your mindset you probably just want validation and are more enamored with the aesthetic of working in animation than you are with honing your craft and influencing the world. You're like some fifteen year old on tumblr if you don't have a better reason than that.

>>Sup Forums hates you because you're not Chuck Jones
The dummies here know almost nothing about Chuck. He is too pure for these waifufags.

God damn you motherfuckers and your stinky self defeating attitude about "making it"

I'm almost inclined to try making weekly threads for you fuckers, hold you by the hand, and fucking show you how to make some fucking cartoons with nothing but sticks and mud. I'm dead serious, I'll make videos and shit and fucking show you how its done and show you guys the whole process of making a god damn cartoon if it'll get you fartknockers to stop feeling sad about not being on daddy disney's dime and actually make something for your god damn selves.

Swear to fucking God I'll do it if it gets you guys to stop whining about MUH DEAD INDUSTREE, MUH CALARTS, MUH TEE VEE, MUHMUHMUHMUH, I'll fucking do it just to get you guys to stop being a bunch of webcomic dabblin, fanart fappin, lets playin dick suckin marshmellows.

Do it, i double dare you.

Just pirate shit, get attention,eventually someone will save you from your shithole.
Gotta play the cards youre dealt, my friend.

>Want to work on shit
>keep getting distracted by video games and Sup Forums

Send help. I've been working on the same piece of artwork for a week and a half now when it shouldve been maybe 3 days worth of work,tops. Assuming I work on it the moment I wake up until 4am

Alright, that's it, you're dead meat fucko, I'll see you next weekend at the jungle jim and I'm gonna make you eat keys and shit out tweens till you diarrhea out disney's bambi, bronco.

Same goes for you, mister trippy dippy, you fucking be there with a pen and plenty of paper and you better have your shitty clown painting done by then, cause I'm going to smear your fucking face with facts and fiction to get you to stop being a fucking waste of space and make some fucking god damn art with your life.

This.

this is what i do, go to a public location like the library. cant be browsing Sup Forums if people are looking, also wear your headphones so people dont talk to you.

Bro just draw vanillaish porn. We'll eat that shit up and you'll learn a lot about body motions.

>weekly threads

Man have people already forgotten the daily Batman work on your art threads we had?

give us homework to do until the next thread.

Batmandingo shit doesn't work because nobody there is obliged to do shit, its basically a "update us on your current project" threads.

The moment you treat it less like a twinky blog post and more a dignified fucking thread full of educational fucking material so you fucking mongoloids can evolve your brains beyond an amoeba's fart, and have clear fucking instructions on what to do and what to think and what to fucking feel on your ball sack in the middle of fucking winter so even the dumbest of you gets a clue. Heck, maybe, just fucking maybe with god jesus and joseph's fucking miracle, I could coordinate you low wats into coordinating as a team of socialized artistic individuals.

write a 200 letter essay on why the fuck you want to make animation, art, or anything with your miserable god damn fucking life instead of working at the back end of a urinal like everyone else, what makes you so god damn special, why the hell should anyone so much as fart in your direction, soldier?

Not looking for money but curious how rich we're talking here.

It always kinda amuses me how angry people get at 2d rigged animation and how its lazy and shit (even if there's redraws of parts), but no one seems to have a problem with 3d animation which is 100% rig with no secondary parts, just moving of existing.

I started at 24 out of boredom with nothing but google and have had job offers at animation studios these days.

Sup Forums will forgive anything as long as you routinely cater to their fetishes. Rick and Morty was too inconsistent with their fetish bait

Eh, Sup Forums seems fine in their art boards, but I agree with you on /ic/. I know "toxic" is thrown around a lot, but I can't think of a better word for it.

You kinda have to do a little bit of mental gymnastics with 3d animation. That and setting up a rig to do everything you want can get complex as fuck.

I wouldn't call 3D or 2D puppets lazy.

What do you mean 3d has no secondary parts? You have to constrain and simulate cloth and hair to the model. Like what do you consider to be a secondary part?

Like, in 2d if you character moves a hand in foreground or changes hands or anything, you need to redraw it by hand to account for that change if its not sliding on x/y. In 3d you just open/close hand with rigging sliders.

Oh, I see where youre coming from.
The majority of difficulty for 3d animation mostly comes from it's set up. For actual animation, I guess they have it a little easier. When it comes to replacing parts, it's usually only for major changes such as a new hairstyle or iunno losing a finger.

I only need to make one really good animatic to intern at Nick. Teach me Bakshi.

The movie pitch I'm doing is actually fairly similar to Last Days of Coney Island.

Based

Never give up on your dreams. It took me years and years of working as a pipeline engineer to finally decide to be a brewer. You need to spend at least 20 minutes each day just learning about the industry and your own own technique if you ever want to participate. Practice any time you have free time.

It won’t be hard, it’ll just be time consuming. Never stop and keep pushing forward.

>Caring about the opinions of a Taiwanese cave painting board

Nigga just do you