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AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

Is this a joke?

No.
That's the real reason the Fire Nation went out of their way to exterminate them.

Sozin literally did nothing wrong

How can people say the Great Divide is the worst episode when Nightmares and Daydreams exists?

Because Nightmares and Daydreams was fun as fuck.

Fire nation best nation

Why do they have to shove politics everywhere? It takes you out of it because you know for a fact this kind of stuff is shoehorned to make a statement rather than being an organic part of the fictional world.

>LOL out of place anime references xD
>LOL appa vs momo samurai duel XD

>It takes you out of it because you know for a fact this kind of stuff is shoehorned to make a statement rather than being an organic part of the fictional world.
It seems like perfectly reasonable behavior for them.

Nope. You have to virtue signal to keep your job these days.

But how else will you know how progressive and open-minded they are?

>Isolated, religious community of monks
Yea, these guys must have been progressive af

>this is why I never came here(ba sing se) before, I always heard it's so different from the way the monks thought us to live

Are you implying monks don't buttfuck each other?

I'm actually gay and this stuff is getting annoying, I can't imagine how it feels for straights.

>Not the painted lady

I want to buy the rights to the Avatar universe so that Mike and Bryan can't write for it anymore. It's bad enough that they hamfisted a lesbian relationship into Korra, but now they're trampling over their own lore just to shove their own views in.

The men and women already lived in separate temples before pham, you think we're too retarded to put two and two together? And then Sozin outlawed gay relationships because he's evil now, instead of morally grey like in the show.

Just out of curiosity, how's the sales?

10 years from now, we'll be able to look back shit like this, and be able to wholeheartedly say

man, this was forced and lame as fuck

Turns our the air kangdom is nothing like irl tibet or buddhism in general.

Avatar was ingrained with feminism from the very beginning. The first discussion between sokka and katara in the pilot was due to his sexism, then on episode 4 sokka gets his sexist ass btfo by the kyoshi warriors. later at the north pole katara puts an end to the stupid patriarchal tradition of only men being able to waterbend. That was just season 1, let's not even get into the later mary sueish superpowered girls like toph and azula that came later.

Except politics were in the show from the beginning. War and genocide are political, you know.

Sozin's always been evil.

Im gay and I find this odd. Particularly for the air nomads who seem to be all about not making attachments, etc.

Fire nation I can see a bunch of rich fucks having orgies etc
Earth Kingdom I can see a bunch of macho gay on gay action
Water Tribe maybe some reserved warrior bonding
but the Air Nomads, regardless of their own feelings would have been the most reserved as it's simply against their philosophy.

I didn't laugh once. I'm all for funny filler, the cave of two lovers was hilarious, nightmares and daydreams fell flat

I'd rather have air nomads lesbos desu, at least the porn would be good

There can be shitty monks.

>Except politics were in the show from the beginning. War and genocide are political, you know

International Politics versus Domestic/Personal Politics are worlds apart.

And Sozin wasn't even the one who attacked the Air Nomads and started the war, his grandfather started it and his father escalated it during the comet, Sozin just carried on the family tradition, his son broke the cycle.

you're thinking of Ozai. Sozin started the war

Air wasn't the only thing Bending in those temples

To be fair a lot of the eastern shit that Avatar steals from was pretty okay with homos.

We’re saying that right now.

It's organic because this is from the Korra comics, where probably nobody really gives a shit that Korra is queer, but because of the possibility that someone might be mad about it, Korra is pissed and the narrative has to bend to justify her inexplicable outrage.

It'd be odd for Buddhist monks though. They're not anti gay per se. They avoid all sexual relationships.

just saying it's not as progressive and as mind opening a concept as they thought it would come off as, and that's not going to change regardless of how hard they try to knock it in

Making a butch female like girls is the opposite of being progressive, if anything it reinforces stereotypes

They are really throwing their world building in the trash, aren't they?

Avatar TLA the "allied" nations had patriartical societies (water and earth), and rigid social structures, that our heroes challenged them, while also fighting against the fire nation. All the 4 nations had real life counter parts that their philosoph and culture are based off, and didn't diverge a lot from of it.

Nu-avatar everyone is progressive except the ebbbbbilllll guys. "Fuck our real life inspirations, it's our worl we do what we want!"

>Making a butch female like girls is the opposite of being progressive
Asami isn't butch and Korra isn't either. They both cry and dress up and talk about their emotions.

>They avoid all sexual relationships.
Tell that to Aang. And Aang's parents. And the parents of the kids Aang associated with in the past. And Tenzin.

Makes sense enough, given air nomad culture.

1. Aang had to revive the Airbenders
2. We know next to nothing about Aang's parents or under what conditions he was conceived.
3. See point 2.
4. See point 1.

Are the comics worth reading? I have a high tolerance for this suit and am more concerned with the writing as a whole

>Are the comics worth reading?
no

The original series comics are aren't bad, some of them being better than others. The Promise and the Rift are the better ones I think, haven't read all of North and South so idk about that one.

The Korra comics are non-canon as far as I'm concerned, avoid them.

>I have high tolerance for this suit
does it chaff your underwear often?

Yes.

Okay I kekd

Can we have a billion with just a touch of nuance? Couldn't they have just left Sozin alone? I don't think anyone here will unironically say Sozin was a good guy, he wasn't. Genociding a race and starting a war that tears apart the world aren't good things. But why are Bryke trying so hard to remove any shades of grey his character had? He started the war in persuit of peace and unity. He believed his plan would result in the best for humanity. And he genocided the air nomads to make sure that plan went through. But now he hates the gays, because he just wasn't awful enough. Heck, why not give him a secret evil lair and a persian cat to really twist the knife in? Let the audience know he never wanted peace, but was always a warmongering monster. Just destroy any shades of grey his character could've had.

It's going to keep happening until someone with some actual clout/presence smacks Mike and Bryan upside the head, which probably won't happen. Enjoy the future of Avatar.

>I don't think anyone here will unironically say Sozin was a good guy
With the way people defend antagonists around here, making threads to do so, it's not clear. There are also people who say all the antagonists in LoK were right.

>It's going to keep happening until someone with some actual clout/presence smacks Mike and Bryan upside the head
The sale numbers and fact that they had to close the ask portion of their tumblrs down shows that many aren't happy with the numerous failings that they have been in charge of for Avatar. No one is buying LoK stuff anymore.

Airbenders aren't Buddhist monks that way.

>Toph and Azula
>Mary Sue
Shut the fuck up. Please. Not only did Azula literally become paranoid and insane, she got her ass kicked by Katara in the end. Iroh was also shown to be better than her very early on in the show, and Zuko would've won their fight had she not fired lightning at Katara. He was simply a better bender.

Toph was tricked alongside Katara into turning herself in after scamming a bunch of folks, and she was left with her pants down emotionally on more than one occasion. Not to mention NONE of the team could fight Combustion Man, and if you think either Toph or Azula could take on Ozai, you're delusional. Huh, look at that. The best benders in the show were MEN. Either you don't know what a Mary Sue is, or you're retarded.

>Katara broke the patriarchy
After getting blown the fuck out by it, yeah. Huh, what do you know, another instance of a MAN being the best bender in the show. And Katara didn't do shit to smash the patriarchy. Pakku allowed the teaching of women when he remembered how he drove his wife away. Katara's necklace was the real star of the episode.

In secret, not openly. Besides, buddhist monks prefer to buttfuck children taking advantage of the reincarnation thing

>Airbenders keep trying to gay up dapper vaudville Fire Nation culture
>implied ‘flameo, hotman’ was some homosexual thing
>FN gets pissed off after 50 years of this
>conquers the word so that the concept of ‘flaming’ will never be confused for faggotry again
Really this is a lesson of caution to homosexuals in modern times. Don’t piss off the breeders.

Buddhism is anti-gay, except for Zen Buddhism because Japan loves buttfucking but that quickly changed with the Meiji Restauration. Even the definition of homosexual is western and very recent. People just practiced homosexuality back then

That was a meme, you dip.

It's not very organic to introduce drama and problems associated with homosexuality when no one has ever expressed that they're gay or have a problem with it. Even traditional gender roles and such weren't a huge issue in Atla. So when it's suddenly this huge a problem, and the gays have been persecuted this hard for apparently a long fucking time, it becomes really ham-fisted and unorganicly written.

Korra is still tomboyish, and it's pretty stereotypical that she just so happens to be gay.

Here's a question: In this story, does the topic of homosexual/bisexual orientations and relationships even come up after the initial exposition? Or is the actual meat of the story about a completely different topic?

But in those cases Sokka was having great character development, and it was all very well done. Sokka thinks of himself as "the man" who needs to protect everyone else by himself. He was the only grown up boy left in the village so of course he felt like that. With the Kyoshi warriors he gives up his pride and becomes humble to actually get some training and be a better fighter.

The gay shit is really annoying desu, and there's nothing interesting going on with the rest of the story. Raiko is stupid, Korra is angry, stupid and doesn't listen, Asami is there etc.

> There are also people who say all the antagonists in LoK were right
To be fair even Bryke kinda alluded to it with the Toph spiel in book 4. All them were right but went to extremes, and Korra should learn from them and implement their ideas fairly, is pretty much the message Toph gave the audience.

Air nomads confirmed for degenerate. They probably did their bisons as well. Free as the air and all that shit.

In this one it's both. There's a gay plot, and some crime/spirit plot.

>The Korra comics are non-canon as far as I'm concerned, avoid them.

>implying Korra itself deserves to be canon

This right here.

>Korra is still tomboyish, and it's pretty stereotypical that she just so happens to be gay.
She was tripping over herself for a boy.

>we gotta shwo these guys are good
make em gay
>and that these guys are evil
make em hate gays

>literally bald headed floating faggots
Good thing Ang was saved from this degeneracy. With korra tipping the balance by being a rug muncher, starting the domino effect of deviancy, another genocide is in order. Maybe they can tell the story from the genocider's perspective and have the avatar at their side this time

Yes? Does that make her not a tomboy?

>All them were right but went to extremes, and Korra should learn from them and implement their ideas fairly, is pretty much the message Toph gave the audience.
So then why do so many say Korra shouldn't have left the portals opened? If humans and spirits shouldn't be separated from each others' worlds, then the doors should be left opened. And why do people get upset at Korra when she attacks people in power if Zaheer is right that people in power and authority should be taken out as chaos is the natural order? And why do people get upset at Korra for attacking Kuvira if doing what is best for your people (the Avatar belongs to the world) is good?

>Yes? Does that make her not a tomboy?
It makes it so her being gay isn't just tomboy who never showed an interest in sex and just wanted to get dirty and play sports now thinks about sex with another woman. She shows her emotional side, dresses up, thinks about love, and does things that television tomboys aren't often depicted as doing. She's not just tomboy = gay.

Nigger what the fuck?

>ONLY THE AVATAR, MASTER OF THE FOUR ELEMENTS:
>LESBIANS
>GAYS
>BISEXUALS
>TRANSGENDER
>AND EVERYTHING IN BETWEEN
>COULD MAINTAIN THE BALANCE
>BUT WHEN THE PATRIARCHY ATTACKED, HE VANISHED IN A PUFF OF CHANEL N°5

Because Toph says what Bryke wanted you to feel. Whereas the actual examples you bring up are written poorly and as such are usually unbelievable or straight up bad ideas.

Bryke wants you to think Korra saved the world by merging spirit and human worlds. But the actions of spirits and season 2 in general show quite clearly why that is a bad idea. And they wrote Unalaq so poorly that he didn't work towards the goal later attributed to him by Toph.

People strongly disagree with Zaheer and as such Korras actions that conforms to his beliefs. Bryke telling you it's good doesn't change what is shown (his actios result in chaos and destruction, not a new order).

Don't know who are mad at Korra for attacking Kuvira desu (except "kuvira did nothing wrong" memers). People seem to have a bigger problem with how the fight went down, and Kuvira losing all conviction so Korra could talk no jutsu her in the end.

What part of balance don't you understand?

Didn't say she was. It was really nice to see a tomboy that wasn't stereotypically gay, and had a reserved feminine side to her, until she got turned gay. And which now seems to be her main character trait.

>Kuvira losing all conviction so Korra could talk no jutsu her in the end.
This is so fuckin stupid

They stated within canon that Airbenders occasionally get together, then males and females are raised apart.

It kept their numbers manageable, but also made it easy to exterminate them.

Gay orgies in the temple when?

>nomads
>have giant castles

>What part of balance don't you understand?
The part where the person preaching balance to the Avatar is not the person who should be preaching balance given their actions.

>It was really nice to see a tomboy that wasn't stereotypically gay, and had a reserved feminine side to her, until she got turned gay.
As a lead? Because Toph, Suki, Azula, Mai, and June all had tomboy things going for them and didn't turn gay.

Actually, persecutions of gays is a pretty normal thing in authoritarian governments

Gay relationships = no kids = not producing future soldiers/workers/slaves

The epitome of shoehorned, forced virtue signalling.
They could've just said something along the lines of "the air temples were some of the freest places in the land, where anyone could be and do anything" but instead they gotta make sure you know it's about MUH LOVE WINZ

I'll give you Toph. But the rest weren't that tomboyish imo. And it was very nice they didn't turn gay all of a sudden or retroactivly in LoK.

There were feminist themes that were organically integrated into plot and character development. This is silly because it's "STOP EVERYTHING. We're gonna talk about homosexuality socio-politics now."

Zaheer wanted total anarchy, not just removing corrupt figures.

Unalaq didn't just want spirit reverence, he wanted humans subjugated and fearful of spirits.

They were extremists, why are you so stupid?

Allthough if fandom, and VA's are anything to go by, Azula atleast was also gay. even though that mostly wishful thinking on their part.

>Sozin led a genocide in the show just so he wouldn't have to deal with another Avatar
>HE WAS MORALLY GREY!!!!!!

Him regretting everything he did right before he died (when he was at a point he couldn't do shit to make reparations for what he did) doesn't make him morally grey either.

the whole idea of a "monk nation" is retarded. you arent born into being a monk by your monk mom and daddy, you chose that path later if you want. china, inuit and japan are good base for earth, water and fire but they should have picked something else for air, maybe southeast asia

>This is so fuckin stupid
>Korra losing to Unalaq.
>Korra losing to those three Red Lotus named characters in the Avatar State.
>Mako not using lightning on the armless waterbender in their first encounter.
>Expecting Kuvira to keep fighting after her super scientists have been captured or left her, her mech is destroyed, her army's mechs can be taken out by an EMP at will, and the Avatar just tanked your laser powered up by all the vines nearby.
If she kept fighting then she'd be as crazy as Chin from back in Kyoshi's day who stood there as Kyoshi broke off a landmass.

Goddamn, you're a crying bitch. Wipe your bitch tears and man up.

>This is silly because it's "STOP EVERYTHING. We're gonna talk about homosexuality socio-politics now."
It was two pages out of a 71-page comic. And it was just Mike covering their asses for why there's never been a LGBT character in Avatar before Korra. And pretty much everyone's reactions to Korra and Asami in the comic has been positive. I really doubt we're gonna see Korra fighting the forces of homophobia.

Korra crushed those 3 Red Lotus members in the avatar state. She lost to Zaheer (on his own).

Kuvira still had her army, had fought and defeated Korra 1-on-1 before and now they were isolated. Why would she give up over Korra telling how scared she was some time ago?

The positivity didn't stop Korra fromg getting pissed at her dad showing concern for how others might percieve it. The problem with this plot is that Bryke wants to show how accepting everyone is, while also showing drama by unseen hateful people. And the gay history might only be 2 pages, but the plot is one third to half the comic.

God I really wanted Korra to get her hands on Zaheer and to just start waling on him. Seeing her so pissed off and ready to kill is so awesome, too bad Bryke hated her.

>had fought and defeated Korra 1-on-1 before
The moment Korra used the Avatar state Kuvira got blown away until the ghost of not-mercury past surfaced again. Korra was fighting Kuvira to a stand still, despite all past evidence showing she should have crushed Kuvira's head between her thighs like a sparrow's egg. Also Kuvira's army was in the mortal world while they were isolated in the spirit world.

>W-WAH YOU HAVE TO ACCEPT ME MOMMY G-GOVERNMENT SAYS SO WAAAAAAAAAAAAAH

>Asami's not comfortable being "out" with Korra
>Korra doesn't care what other people think of her love life
I wanna see them fight lol

I really wished Korra had won that fight on her own. Then she could have collapsed to poison after knocking Zaheer out or whatever. Having to lose and get saved by Jinora was so dissapointing.

Yeah i know that, but before using Avatar state Kuvira won, and Kuvira had enough conviction to sacrifice everything to win, until she talks to Korra. She should still have been under the delusion that she could take on Korra, after all deflecting the laser would have exhausted her right? the perfect time to strike.
Or even better, wait until they exit the spirit world and let her army take care of it. She knew Korra didn't have it in her to kill, she'd have to give in to the army (in kuviras mind).

Also didn't the giant mech destroy the emp tower earlier? I don't think they had a way to effectively shut down the mech army.

Sweet rebuttal

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