Did marco start the trend of making effinamte main male characters that both guys also want to fuck...

Did marco start the trend of making effinamte main male characters that both guys also want to fuck? Will this continue to other series? How will this affect the industry?

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Marco is macho bro.

I support this new idea of characters that can be both traps and doms.

>effinamte
He's not, you're just gay
and that's ok

The fuckboi industry has a lot of potential

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Yeah, for like a minute
i like girls too, but thank you user

If I were gay, wouldn't I like cuntboys?

Checkmate, atheists.

It's that fucking MOLE he has. It's just so... feminine. It reminds me of Marilyn Monroe. I have a mole too but not one like that.

this statement is actually offensive to trans-activists.

Is it gay/dikey if a woman likes traps?

what?

Cuntboys and dickgirls have about as much to do with transfolk as yaoi has to do with gay men.

Male traps or female traps? Liking male traps makes you gay as sin.

male traps, that makes a woman still liking a boy

And they said Sup Forumsmblr wasn't real.

Yeah, right, and me liking traps makes me gay and not a gynephile.

No because you are attracted to a man. Traps are totally gay for dudes however

Its a fucking joke dude. Im all for trans rights but cmon bruh
>gynephile
What the fuck does that mean?

in your language, it means i like traps but not cuntboys

Marco is pretty and neat and cares about what he wears and looking nice. These are traits stereotypically associated with gaybois. Plus he has a beauty mark on his cheek. He is a character who is signified as glamorous, beautiful and desirable.
He's also into girls. But they're clearly playing with stereotypes around him.

>These are traits stereotypically associated with gaybois.
by ugly men who can't get a date

Oh, then im the same way. I like girly guys but not girls trying to become men. It has something to do with the fact that im still attracted to feminity and i feel dosrespectful getting sexually attracted to them when there trying to get rid of feminity. Also i dont like manly guys with beards and stuff.
Its fucking great. Never had ive been more attracted to the male MC then the female MC

Femininity in and of itself can be a fetish. It's less about gender and more about a power differential.

Traps are, for a lot of people, about the loss of power of a male being gang pressed into femininity.

If you would be equally as turned on by a very rough and tumble tomboy girl and being forced into a very feminine role, then it's not a gay thing - it's about a loss of power and independence and subservience and sexual availability and whatever else you interpret femininity to be.

If you are ONLY interested in males in this role, then yeah, you're a little gay, but that's not the worst thing in the world.

This might be cliche but look at the Greeks and Romans. What are the odds that a bunch of super gay dudes just happened to be born at the same time? None. The reason why they were "so gay" was because culturally it was acceptable to be into fucking guys. So they fucked guys. It's not a reflection on anything. Every single human being, male or female, is a sweaty hairy gross bag of flesh, and most of us want to look for holes to stick things into.

I don't think everyone is bisexual, I'm sure if we lived in a completely sexually free world there would still be some people who are ONLY into P -> V but I think they'd be the minority. A hole is a hole. If you can shave that hole and make it look wet and pretty, what else do you need?

>Trap Marco baits me into watching
>Fall in love with Star
>straightest I've been in a decade
Not sure if this is what they intended

Crossdressing is a super old thing for characters to do. Acting feminine at times is also a thing. Both are used for comedic purposes but these days it is definitely turning people on more often.

only if he is andro trap

What "trend"? What examples do you have besides the one you posted?

Steven but hes not sexually attractive, lincoln loud sometimes acts feminine, and ko dress in his moms old costume once

>Steven but hes not sexually attractive
It's funny how innocent you are, or that you think "trap Marco" is sexy.

It was a trap. And you fell for it.

Marco is the ultimate guy.

Gravity Falls is the basis of most modern cartoons now.

>male lead is the serious straight man who is dorky, awkward, and effeminate
>female lead is quirky lolsorandum girl who is more adventurous and outgoing than the male lead

>Traps are, for a lot of people, about the loss of power of a male being gang pressed into femininity.
>it's about a loss of power and independence and subservience and sexual availability and whatever else you interpret femininity to be.

I hate those power and mind-game fetishes. I never liked S&M, tentacle rape or mindbreak or anything in that neighborhood so I guess I'm just not able to understand those people.

But of coarse futa > traps all the time, so there's that.

>a very rough and tumble tomboy girl and being forced into a very feminine role,

Bleh, just give me the tomboy or the feminine girl, don't force one to be the other.

>muh marco
Oh yes , lets forgot Finn

>Bleh, just give me the tomboy or the feminine girl, don't force one to be the other.
so you wouldn't enjoy making a tomboy realize she's cute?
you'd just like go out into the woods and punch trees with her all day and shit?

The best tomboys are already cute and have some girly attributes anyways. Don't be pleb.

>The best tomboys are already cute and have some girly attributes anyway

>a very rough and tumble tomboy girl and being forced into a very feminine role,

>Bleh, just give me the tomboy or the feminine girl, don't force one to be the other.

pick one

I have already chosen.

tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TomboyWithAGirlyStreak

>On Arthur, D.W. Read will climb trees, play catch with Arthur and Dad, and do other tomboyish (for her age) things. She also seems like the hardier one between her and her Girly Girl friend, Emily, when it comes to roughhousing/generally dealing with the Tibble twins. That being said, she is also very into unicorns and anything pink. Some of the books in particular also show her as being very into plush toys.

>ywn have a holo gf
>ywn be able to customize her to be just like Star

I dont know if I can keep going like this. Life is pain without Star Butterfly

just one?

do u not understand the concept of a fantasy?

How effeminate is Dipper compared to Marco?

let's be real even as an adult he probably weighed like 180

I'd argue other MCs in the past have been effeminate enough to do that; Ben Tennyson, Mac from Foster's, Finn oh definitely plenty of people made drawings about gettin' Finns boipussi. This show has just been the most direct about it

Why would you embarrass yourself by posting something like that?

How was Mable more adventurous?

There have been beta characters before. Marco just happens to be super effeminate. Literally spaghettis in front of the girl he likes, Jackie makes the first move, and does the "uh" and no response cliche crap when Star confesses. Beta af

How he attracts the attention of women is beyond me, but then again, the creator is probably into cuck shit. Might be something that more writers and creators will write in as it becomes more accepted and wanted by people

>How he attracts the attention of women is beyond me
He's a romantic sweet little cinnamon roll

Not as much. Marco was not mad about crossdressing in the St. Olga's episode and eventually came to thinking it was alright. I don't see Dipper reacting like that.

>Start the trend
Maybe in American cartoons, but definitely not outside those two classifications.

>How he attracts the attention of women is beyond me

Perplexing, ain't it? How can a studious, well-dressed, intelligent young man who looks great in evening wear for both men and women and has just the nicest family ever get girls?

If this son of a bitch were to EVER set foot in my school growing up, the girls would start a cult around him.

>Marco is pretty
There you go. That answers why you wan't to fuck him.

>Thinks there's a practical difference between a futa and a trap

>tfw our self-insert character's doing better than we are
>no one likes him as more than a fucktoy now
How am I not surprised.

I can't get off to the slightest in futa but I can get off to traps

>there's no practical difference between a man's body and a woman's body with a dick slapped on it

>varying degrees of denial.jpg

>Wanting to see these girls get fucked is the same as wanting to see a bunch of men get fucked
Don't make me bring in Master Shake

When the the fact that one of the people involved has dick becomes the focus of that shit, it's at least a little gay.

>all porn not exclusively featuring lesbians is gay
Fellas...

Now you're just being dishonest.

>this one didn't get any sex scene
I was so disappointed
I know she looks a lot like the other pink haired girl but that fucking sweater does it for me.

traps exist in real life
futas do not

I want to steal Janna's socks

Postpone your suicide user, AR is only a few short years away.

Are Janna footfags even real?

Yes we are. But we don't see Jannas feet as sexy or anything. They are just darned cute.

He is the final form of the growing disdain for depicting masculinity in media

Traps as depicted cannot exist in real life for example can be found nowhere on earth. They are women given dicks and flat chests.

So? Good comedy is usually offensive to someone.

>marco
>basic jeans and a hoodie
>well dressed
...Have the standards changed since I went to highschool? Is this the pinnacle of fashion these days?

>Not understanding that practically it makes no difference and he just wants to deny he's gay

As long you don't run around with colored hair and a t-shirt that says "This is what a feminist looks like" You are good to go

double d from ed edd n eddy

>He is the final form of the growing disdain for depicting masculinity in media
You what?
youtube.com/watch?v=ek1yBcVotfE

You shouldn't pretend 5 minutes of a single episode is representative of the character

Do nerds count as effeminate?

>"Marco is the final form of the growing disdain for depicting masculinity in media"
>Marco gets a whole episode where he goes full Mad Max badass manly man, in a wholly positive portrayal of "hypermasculinity" where he earns the respect and admiration of a demigoddess, Star soaks her panties over him and is visibly disappointed when he returns to normal
>"t-that doesn't count"
This isn't Steven Universe and Marco isn't a pussy just because he crossdresses once a season.

Ben and Mac were just normal kids; their feminization was achieved only through the active efforts of pedophiles. Finn did cross into feminine territory on his own though. Marco is more the idealized desires of a teenage girl, which is just naturally kinda feminine, or at least cute in a way that can slide easily in that direction.

I honestly don't remember Finn being effeminate though. What episodes did he display such behavior?

>this is what Gravity Fails niggers actually believe
AHAHAHAHHAHAHA

If anything the crossdressing without being uncomfortable would mean he's assured in his masculinity.

So what you're saying is even the creator is aware of the lack of masculinity in modern media and made a meta commentary episode about her own disappointment in the new standard of normal? Interesting.

Dipper is comparatively submissive and prone to more outbursts of high pitched screaming, cowering and emotional tantrums. His crush on a tomboy who occasionally serves as his protector and emotional superior does not help either.

>tfw that's her ideal version of Bobby, had he not been raised in our modern culture

The crossdressing was forced upon him and he repeatedly expresses discomfort with it. The episode was literally about trying to brainwash him into becoming a princess. I don't think you can possibly do a more negative depiction of crossdressing.

n-no, you don't understand, being comfortable wearing a dress means Marco is clearly a TRANS GIRL, a boy who doesn't rigidly conform to male gender roles MUST suffer from dysphoria despite never once displaying any kind of discomfort with being a boy.

I think it's more like "the creator is a woman and has no problem accurately depicting teenage girls like Star as being thirsty as fuck for older, stronger men, "bad boys" and other masculine types because she herself was once a horny teenage girl and has no illusions that girls are pure and perfect princesses who can do no wrong" but could be wrong

>I think it's more like "the creator is a woman and has no problem accurately depicting teenage girls like Star as being thirsty as fuck for older, stronger men, "bad boys" and other masculine types because she herself was once a horny teenage girl and has no illusions that girls are pure and perfect princesses who can do no wrong" but could be wrong
Nothing about that contradicts the analysis you quoted

Honestly haven't watched that episode in months, so memory's a little fuzzy.

>tfw most anons here are less masculine than the "trap" they're fapping to

>so you wouldn't enjoy making a tomboy realize she's cute?

But she IS cute as she is. Why fall for a person and then change what that person is to begin with?

Not everything is a meta sociopolitical commentary.

Nefcy describes herself as a feminist and clearly thinks of Star as one as well, but her show (intentionally or not) has taken the piss out socjus/radfem "feminist" types more than once. Janna is a spergy loser who "fights the patriarchy" by refusing to wear her favorite color (pink). Star wants to be a "strong, independent warrior princess" but just about every single time she tries to act like every other female lead who can take on any obstacle on her own and don't need no man to support her, she gets in over her head and fucks something up along the way until she learns better. And she does learn to listen to Marco more, and listen to Glossaryck more, and listen to her parents, because even if none of them are always right they usually have a point and always want what's best for her, even if she doesn't like it.
Star can be her own woman and will make her own decisions, but that also means accepting responsibility for the consequences of those decisions, and growing the fuck up in general. She has to learn that being "independent" doesn't mean you never need help, and that your life will be much easier and more enjoyable with someone at your side to support you.

>has never seen this mystical thing called a 'breast'

Man breasts exist

user we're talking about Marco not Star.

Ah, but those are filled with the despair and futility instead of hopes and dreams.

We went off on a tangent about the possibility of Daron Nefcy using Star Vs as political commentary on the nature of masculinity as depicted in modern cartoons, so I explained how she's handled the subject of gender politics/feminism in her show so far.
It would be wrong to say Star is dependent on Marco, but Marco has been a strong and generally very positve influence on her life and personal development.

He's still effeminite

>lesbian gets tricked by a trap