I dunno. They're not perfect, but I really like them

I dunno. They're not perfect, but I really like them.

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Me too, man. I'm super hyped for Justice League.

that's fine.

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This. I don't care if you liked them, good for you, you opinion having motherfucker. You have the audacity to use your brain chemicals to come up with a conclusion about what stimuli released endorphins? Well, that's just fucking fine, and I hope you enjoy them more in the future, asshole.

Have a nice day, fuckface. I hope everything goes well for you. Dick.

>They're not perfect, but I really like them.

You can like whatever you want to user, I'm a huge fan of the 90's Shadow movie even with all of its problems.

But I don't go around talking about how The Shadow is le kino and anyone who doesn't appreciate it the way I do is a plebeian manchild. Even if you aren't one of the Kino Brigade, that fan-base is so firmly interlinked with the movie that it's hard not to assume every fan of MoS/BvS is like that.

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>They're not perfect
That's where you're wrong.

This

Well, it's like. I think the kino stuff and the "lol disney shill" stuff is really stupid bait and I kinda hate that it's associated with the movie on this website 'cause it just makes real discussion of them even more impossible. But I also think, independent of that, people are a -little- unfair to the movies, both here and in other places.

Man of Steel is kino.

I don't like them, but I'm glad you do, user. Don't let anyone make you feel bad for enjoying something.

W-what is this supposed to imply?

I was hoping you could tell me, because I don't know either.

Shills hard at work tonight I see

>But I also think, independent of that, people are a -little- unfair to the movies, both here and in other places.

They're unfair because it's Batman and Superman. They're the two biggest ones, the most important toys in the box. Outside of Spider-Man and post-2008 Iron Man, they'e the number one names. Those characters mean more to people then most other cape characters combined.

And Snyder gave us BvS. Even MoS could have been forgiven if BvS was good due to all the legal shit and production stuff going on behind-the-scenes that basically forced Man of Steel into production with no prep time. But then he followed it up with BvS.

Don't worry. When the abomination of Justice League is released upon the world everyone will finally release how genius the original movies are and Whedon doing the Marvel formula is what killed the DCEU. Just a little bit longer.

>They're not perfect

They kind of are though

MoS was a much stronger film than the trainwreck that was BvS

that the people who circlejerk DC films in forums, yt comments, on Sup Forums and Sup Forums are all indians. people known for having 100% shit taste and an adolescent worldview.

Well, I agree with that. I kind of love Man of Steel. Relatively, I just like Batman v Superman.

>first day of college class
>everyone introduces themselves
>Paki student's turn
>"My fevrit movie, ees Green Lantern"

Well I really hate them.

lol

it was okay but BOY HOWDY did seeing the teaser in the theater with no prior knowledge really activate my almonds

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>man who makes music videos directs movies that can be cut into great trailers

Shocker.

Films themselves are meh, but the soundtracks are god tier.

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The BvS score is terrible outside of Lex's theme.

Zimmer didn't give a fuck and Junkie XL just used his Fury Road leftovers.

>pretentiously self-important sounding but ultimately simplistic and lacking substance.
Just like the film.

You just have poor taste, it's sadly not uncommon.

I respectively disagree. The opening theme with the death of the Waynes and the Superman montage theme I fucking love.

*respectfully

ok

Man of Steel had moments of greatness but broke apart entirely by the last third when it it devolved into 45 minutes of destruction porn. The very ending kinda saved it but the only consistently good part was after Krypton and before Zod came to earth.

Batman v Superman was actually great, despite having kind of a weak climax aswell. But at least the Doomsday fight was only a relatively short sequence in an otherwise near perfect movie and it was still more enjoyable than MoS' climax. It might be my favourite superhero flick of all time. I'm so incredibly happy something like this managed to come out of Hollywood.

Justice League, sadly, looks like it's gonna be complete garbage.

I really love Man of Steel but I almost always skip from the start of the climax to when Stabler's sacrifice and when Superman comes back in.

It's just fucking unrelenting. The stuff like Superman fighting the World Engine...geez, that was unnecessary. Having said that, I do like the moment when Jenny is trapped and things are at their bleakest and Superman stands up and rams through the thing. That was cool.

You fags complained that Superman Returns needed more action. So you got it.

I only asked that Returns Superman stop being such an off-putting creep, and it got me nowhere.

Yeah, making the worlds greatest hero into a creepy stalker was a horrid choice. And where would the story have gone with Super Bastard if they got a sequel? It was all so weird.

I honestly didn't see making Superman into a severely autistic man-baby in MoS as a step up.

It does seem to appeal to those who are similarly afflicted though.

The lack of action in Returns was a result of the plot being flaccid and mean-spirited. MOS too much action was compensation for a vacant plot.

That's cool user, I personally didn't like them but I've never been compelled to shitpost about them either. Just not my kind of movies and that's fine. Hope you enjoy Justice League.

The problem with the DC movies is that they're too fucking rushed. Say what you want about Marvel, but they took the time to lay out the groundwork of their movie universe; they put in the effort to slowly weave the movies together. The strands began as just end credit stingers, a background mention of SHIELD or Stark Industries, or a character like Coulson being debuted in one movie and then expanded in another. By the time actual crossovers happened and the shared universe concept overt, it felt natural.

Meanwhile, DC managed exactly one stand-alone Super-Man movie before they just decided to toss the entire Universe out there. BvS threw Batman, Wonder Woman, and Lex at us all at once; now we're about to get Flash, Aquaman, and Cyborg, along with fucking Darksied. Do you know how long the Marvel universe has spent building up Thanos? He had his first cameo in 2012; they've spent 6 years building him up and laying the groundwork for his arrival. Meanwhile, DC is throwing Darksied in with nothing more than some vague foreshadowing by Jesse Esienberg.

I actually really enjoyed Man of Steel, but haven't seen BvS in full for myself, so I dunno how good it is or isn't.

MoS got it right in that department.

>but they took the time to lay out the groundwork of their movie universe

It was a complete clusterfuck. Why do people forget Iron Man 2, where the Avengers shit was forced everywhere. Hawkeye had a completely egregious and meaningless cameo in Thor that had most people going "who the fuck is this guy?"

Their groundwork was largely just teasers at the end of the movie. And Coulson started sucking the minute they tried to turn him into a thing instead of just a cool middle rank SHIELD again annoyed by Stark's antics. And how is Stark industries any different from Wayne Enterprises teases in MoS and Wonder Woman?

>tfw be a pajeet.
>all my friends like every DCU shit.
>they all throw poop at me for liking Captain America Trilogy.

I want off this country.

Zimmer is pretentious as fuck, but he makes shit that sounds good.

For example: he used custom pedal steel guitars in the MoS theme to sound "American", like country music. It obviously didn't sound anything like the pedal steel guitars anyone's ever heard before, it just sounded like a unique bass/cello. So no one is going to hear the instrument and draw the connection in their mind to country music and that distinctive sound of the slide guitar, which is what he was trying to accomplish, but here's the thing: it sounds really fucking cool. It doesn't sound anything like what he said it should, but it sounds great. And more importantly it sounds a bit new and interesting. So many scores end up sound the same because the composer just wrote their music and gave it to an orchestra, but Zimmer, in his pretentiousness tries something new, and even though he ends up using an orchestra just like the other guys, he ends up doing something that sounds fresh.

A lot of criticism aimed at Zimmer tends to be because the music itself(notes,chords,etc.) is very simple, but that's not what his focus is. He creates fantastic timbre. If you know a little bit about music theory, you know that writing the notes, the melody, the chords, is all pretty simple. It's all been done a thousand times before and been studied for centuries. Pick a feeling, pick a genre, and you could essentially just follow the steps of music theory to create a perfectly lovely piece without using a shred of creativity. Creating a unique and satisfying timbre for the music is far more impressive, and far more effective at creating emotions.

When I went to see Thor they showed the JL trailer, but in 2D, straight after TLJ trailer showcasing that sweet-sweet Disney-money 3D.

Made the JL trailer seem underwhelming in comparison, and I don't even care about The Last Jedi and Justice League is my most anticipated movie of the year. I'm hyped as fuck. But it was a stupid idea to show a 2D trailer, after a stunning 3D one, in a 3D movie showing.

Otherwise, hype as fuck! Midnight showing booked! One week left bros! FFFFFFUUUUCK YES.

>Remember when the Lord of the Rings cleverly approached it's trilogy by giving each of the fellowship a solo movie to build our connection to these characters.
>Boromir dying would have been pointless and had no weight if they had killed him in the first film.

This. They also seem to forget how many of the early MCU films were bland or shitty. I love Iron-Man, 1st Avenger, and have a soft spot for Thor and Avengers, but it was hit and miss. Still is, really.

Like someone said earlier. I'd like to imagine it's actually a deep love of DC, Superman, and Batman that just means that nothing could truly satisfy these people. Let's be honest, pretty much everyone who shits on JL in these threads is going to go see it, and then be disappointed, and shit on it. Most of the discontent antishills (if they aren't paid) must have a hate that borders on obsession for the DCU.

Me too. Awesome movies.

>B-but Marvel

It always comes down to that, with you fags. Did it not occur to you that WB's had Marvel's example to follow? Not fall for the same mistakes and improve on what was good? No, they just did a worse job.

I actually thought MOS was okay, but BvS was beyond bad.


>Like someone said earlier. I'd like to imagine it's actually a deep love of DC, Superman, and Batman that just means that nothing could truly satisfy these people.

The reverse can apply as well, with idiots such as yourselves just blindly accepting and justifying the films because they are Batman and Superman. Excuse others for having some standards.

I liked both, MoS more than BvS.

I cannot for the life of me be excited for JL though, the fact that its two directors visions is bad enough, but the trailers, villains, just doesn't get me excited.

They're garbage.

Lex Luthor sucked but Zod was pretty great.
And I legit still don't get why people hated how Doomsday looked. I mean once he grew the spikes he was as close to comic design as one might hope.

Interesting you bring up the 90s Shadow movie because I've seen people complain about it for being too lighthearted and comedic for the character, which seems to be the opposite problem people have with BvS

I would be, but I feel like JL is going to suffer from its production. WB became increasingly afraid to let Snyder do what he wanted to do after MoS. I still liked BvS, but it was clear that it was a bunch of suits saying "This movie universe is off to a bad start, but Batman in it ASAP". JL just seems to be a wholesale attempt to copypasta Marvel, which really pisses me off because I've gotten incredibly tired of Marvel-style movies. I actually don't think I've been to see one since Civil War.

I love the small contingent of sensible anons who legitimately like the DCEU.

same with SS visually pleasing but shit movies

SS was pretty dang ugly. The one thing SS actually did for me was make me realize that BvS really wasn't that bad. If you like it or not, Snyder and co put a lot of effort and love into it. SS was the product of people who obviously didn't even try. It was a bunch of disconnected elements from Deadpool and GotG, neither of them very good movies in the first place, carelessly mashed together into something ugly, boring and unfunny.

Man of Steel was okay, Batman vs Superman fucking sucked though. Can't see how anyone can defend it.

I can defend it.
There was some great world building, great cinematography, and acting, a great soundtrack, great symmetrical visual storytelling, and great scope.

But it's not perfect. The motivations of everyone but Batman are a bit hazy, Batman completely abandons his ideology because of hearing the name Martha, the cave troll fight lasts a bit long, Wonder Woman needed more build-up, and their are some odd pacing choices.

But overall, it's a solid film.
Theatrical gets a 7/10 from me.
Directors cut gets a 8.5/10 from me.

I am saying this as a hardcore DC fan though.

I have no idea why people think the "Martha" thing was Batman abandoning his ideology. If anything, it was his return to it. The film implies that Batman hadn't always been as violent and cruel- he was more like the Batman we know and are familiar with. Keep in mind that Batman's entire identity was based on the death of his parents. Of COURSE hearing someone beg to save a person that shares his mother's name will get to him; What's more, it's all but an invitation to save this Martha, something he was incapable of in his childhood. Batman's ideology ramped up in response to Superman's appearance, and when he's reminded that Superman is a person with a life and emotional attachments, he has to back off or else he will become like his parent's murderer, which is horrifying to him.

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I think everyone blows how bad these films are out of proportion. Maybe it's just cuz I grew up with the early 2000 superhero movies (which basically all sucked outside of the first 2 spiderman films) but I think these films are fine. Nothing amazing but not absolute shit like everyone treats it as.

Nolan's Batman is the best Batman.

It's always so weird to people that THAT was the moment that most people cite as the worst part. Granted it was kinda hamfisted (the way Superman refers to his mother as Martha while on death's door. I'm sure he's used to being in character as Superman but I feel like in that scenario he'd say "My mother")
And it does go on for quite a bit longer than it should. It takes Lois running up to explain it rather than superman squeaking it out, which would've been preferable.

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>. Batman's ideology ramped up in response to Superman's appearance, and when he's reminded that Superman is a person with a life and emotional attachments, he has to back off or else he will become like his parent's murderer, which is horrifying to him.
I know I'm wasting my time saying this again but "Batman realized Superman was a human with all the emotional attachments and frailties" falls flat for people for three reasons.
1. With the amount of resources at his disposal and how poorly kept the secret is, Batman should've figured this out within the first six months of his 2 year quest to kill Superman.
2. Batman had already, and continued to, kill actual humans with all those same emotional attachments and frailties. This movie, and indeed its predecessor, ask us to care about faceless nameless civilians that Superman saves in defiance of genre convention, so suddenly expecting us to think henchmen don't merit the same immunity to convention is misguided at best.
3. "Supermamn is human after all!" Doesn't solve the threat. That much power in the hands of a human is even worse, because humanity, as defined by this director, is pretty flawed, untrustworthy, and prone to paranoia, irrationality, blind rage, and a bunch of other bad shit, rather than any noble merits. "Superman is human!" just means it's a matter of time until he falls like every other human.
Joker is a regular human. Hell, as of Suicide Squad, he's even got a life and emotional attachments. Does that mean he shouldn't be killed? Does that mean we can be trusted/ Obviously not. So why should Superman be taken as a 100% trustworthy no strings attached ally of good?
I have to run some errands so go ahead and give the stock "You just don't understand it" responses and pretend I've read them.

>Superman: "Save my mom"
>Bruce: "fuck your shitty alien mom"
>Superman: "Save this woman named Martha Kent"
>Bruce:...Oh Shit...he's actually connected to humanity

Makes sense to me, Clark doesn't necessarily know that bruce knows who his mom is, you can hear him grunt out a "Keh" sound when Bruce is standing on his chest.

I Love mos, I know it has editing issues and the tone/whatever's isn't for everyone but it's one of my favorites

I enjoy MoS, but BvS's editing and plotting is execrable. Superman is woefully underused, and there's virtually no meaningful exchange of views between Batman, Superman, and Lex.

Neither of you know what pretentious means. These days people just use for whenever something is presented in a way they aren't used to or draws your attention attention without an immediate payoff.

I suppose it would benefit your argument to assume that I only have stock responses, especially when you frame it like my response has to be "you just don't understand!" This allows you to automatically dismiss any explanation that I provide, because to anything I say, you can think "see, all you're doing is 'buh-buh you just don't get it,' i was right all along."

>1.
This assumes that Bruce would think that Superman has an alternate identity to begin with. Bruce thinks that he's an alien, and like the rest of the world, it's a pretty fair assumption that Superman is Superman all the time- he has no reason to be anything else. That's a huge theme that's explored in Superman's comics.

>2.
This is a fair enough point. It may be sorta bullshit, but I think the death of henchmen has to do with callousness, while putting down Superman is a passion. Batman didn't care about the henchmen, and as such, he gave them no room to say anything. Superman is more than strong enough to give Batman a run for his money in the final fight, and can get a word in. Not just any word, but the one kind that can take someone like Bruce aback.

>3.
It's almost like whether or not Superman should have that much power is a constant theme in a huge number of his comics and stories. But the question is answered in Bruce's eyes when Superman sacrifices himself. If anyone is worthy to have that much power, it may as well be someone as good as Clark.

>hey, let me write this gigantic blog post where I go into excruciating detail to pick apart this movie because I don't like it when people like this movie
>but if you reply or question my logic at all you're a loser lol
What happened to this place.

Hank's still in the car.
Hank's in the car.
I'll get him, I'll get him.
No, no.
Get your mom to the overpass.
Hank!! Hank!! Come!!
Jonathan!!
Mom, ifs okay.
Jonathan!!
Mom, stay here.
Dad!!
I let my father die
because I trusted him.

>that moment you realise you can't tell if this is high quality shitposting or legitimate shilling to pave way for justice leage
Just so we're clear MoS sucked dog ass and so did BvS. JL may or may not suck putrid balls.

>people like what I don't like it''s a conspiracy.

I was hyped for JL until it was confirmed to be a Marvel movie.

Even someone who likes the Marvel films better gotta admit DC had guts to try something different and not just emulate the MCU formula, shame they chickened out.

>This assumes that Bruce would think that Superman has an alternate identity to begin with. Bruce thinks that he's an alien, and like the rest of the world, it's a pretty fair assumption that Superman is Superman all the time- he has no reason to be anything else. That's a huge theme that's explored in Superman's comics.
Common sense dictates that if he's destroyed satellites, which Burce should be able to figure out, he doesn't want to be traced. Why would Bruce acquiesce to that? Why wouldn't he trace his movements regardless?
>B-Becuase it's irrelevant!
Yeah. Tracking your prey is irrelevant now.

They're very preachy and the actors play the characters totally straight, causing them to seem like edge Lords and making them hard to like. On top of that, there's constant examples of situations where they needed the plot to go somewhere specific but had trapped themselves, so they have characters just do things for no reason at all. Like Clark's dad dying in the storm for no reason at all and the bit at the end of bvs with the spear that could have easily been handed to wonder woman and thrown.
The biggest issue is the dialogue all sounds like borderline political speeches. Never once sounds like anything a.human would ever casually say, or even bring out in am argument.

I mean, I like them too, but yeah....

Not even incurable edge Lords in the 90s who listened to Manson and read spawn comics talk or act like the "normal folks" in those.movies do.

Suicide squad and WW are better, but both marred by horrible editing and blatant reshoots. Plus the "villain of the week" feel the entire franchise has had, except for mos.
Zod was the ONLY vilian who had an actual motive, played a major role in the story and actually had an end that fit him.

I am holding out hope for JL, but the reshoots and editing seem like they'll be a problem again. Not to mention the worst case of vilian of the week of the franchise so far. I think it'll end up being one of the last dceu movies.
Aqua man has wrapped, I believe, so they'll put that out no matter what, but that'll be it, unless it actually manages to be amazing somehow and saves the day, lol...

In a decade or two, people will turn back and say "Those movies were great, How did they fucked Justice League so bad?"

It's so aggravating. Whedon, of all people. Poor Zack Snyder. Taking a break from directing because of a tragic death in the family only for the studio to bring in some talentless manchild to take a shit on his work.

I wish they'd have gotten Villeneuve or, hell, even David Fincher or something. Someone who has at least a tiny bit of artistic integrity.