Figure it's safe to post here now that the embargo is kinda lifted.
Brief thoughts on the film: - Pacing's kinda rough and uneven, as is the editing. Scenes transition abruptly, and the reshot footage don't gel well with the original footage. - Plot's really simple. Basically Steppenwolf's hunting down Mother Boxes for his big bad boss, really reminds me of Avengers 1. The only twist is Superman's return, which is pretty much expected already. - Tone's far more lighthearted than MoS, BvS and SS. Quite a fair bit of humour and quips, which is jarring coming from Affleck's Batman, especially in comparison to him in BvS. Ezra's Flash wears thin pretty fast since they wrote him as the funniest guy on the team. - On to the characters: Cyborg's really dull and not quite developed as a character. You'd think they would play up the whole Man v Machine element like Robocop, but nope, he wasn't fleshed out. He stands out from the rest of the team though, because his CGI just looks really off. Ray Fisher's not particularly memorable either.
- Flash: Ezra's better than expected, though he does overplay the quips a tad too much. They do quite a bit of the X-Men Quicksilver slow-mo thing with him, but I guess that's how superspeed is best depicted. Prefer the yellow lightning on the TV show to the blue lightning here. - Aquaman: Mamoa's pretty alright. They don't develop him much, and sometimes he's angsty while sometimes he's so jokey like BTBATB Aquaman. Which is weird, since he looks badass. On the plus side, Mera is really hot. - Wonder Woman: Pretty much what you'd expect after watching her solo movie. Action choreography-wise, it's just a rehash of the same moves you've seen. Still cool nonetheless, though the movements still look very CGed and weightless. - Batman: Love Affleck in this. Definitely the most radically-changed character, Affleck brings a charm that was absent in BvS. He comes across as channeling his inner Adam West, which is somewhat endearing. It's sad that his reshot portions are the most visibly different though. - Superman: Cavill is fantastic in this, despite the really short screentime. Guess 3rd time's the charm, because he really gets to be Superman in all his glory here, and doesn't job like how he did in BvS. Goes to show that Cavill's a great casting choice, as long as he's written well. - Overall, I'd say it's easily among the best DCEU offerings. Very flawed, lots of room for improvement, but a huge leap nonetheless.
Nathaniel Miller
>Cyborg's really dull and not quite developed as a character. You'd think they would play up the whole Man v Machine element like Robocop, but nope, he wasn't fleshed out. That was suppose to be the original case.
His role/scenes were reshot/re-edited because they were too “brooding/sad” and remade to be lighter. There was a whole article on it.
Christopher Stewart
Post-credits?
Elijah Turner
But there's only been five DCEU movies...
Jason Williams
There are 2: Superman + Flash, and GL.
Ryan Murphy
>it's easily among the best DCEU offerings But there's only been five DCEU movies...
Camden Martinez
>despite the really short screentime
Fucking hell, he's only in the last quarter of the movie, isn't he?
Aiden Evans
Is GL in this?
Eli Foster
>Cyborg >Wasn't fleshed out
you think youre clever or something?
Sebastian Hill
Yep, but still.
Yes.
Not a human one. They probably haven't done the casting yet.
For you.
Christian Sullivan
How's Miller compared to TV's Barry?
Ethan Ward
Highlights for me:
>Great Superman. Cavill makes the most of his scenes and hasn't been this good since Man of Steel (say what you will about that turd of a movie's obvious issues, but you have to admit he nailed the Superman look). >The one thing I liked about that other turd of a movie, BvS, was Batffleck (and Alfred, to an extent). Here, though it's a radically different approach to the character, I actually liked Batffleck even more.
The rest of the movie, overrated Wonder Woman included, is very much underwhelming, if not flat-out mediocre. It's a decent popcorn film but in no way better than, to name the first competitor that comes to mind, most Marvel movies. It is a step in the right direction, but more steps need to be made to catch up to the Marvel synchrony.
Still, I wouldn't say it's BAD, and most DCfags will surely go watch it multiple times and make it a success.
As mentioned before, Mera is fucking hot though. She's this film Harley Quinn (the one redeeming thing about Suicide Squad, mind you).
Isaiah Martinez
Does Supes wear the black suit? And does he go back to red and blue before the end?
Liam Russell
It sounds incredibly boring, kind of like Suicide Squad
Carter Powell
How does Superman return and what do he does in the climax?
Is there a Batman-Superman moment or handshake? Is there a Trinity moment?
Hudson Butler
They're very different Barrys. Gustin Barry has the whole emotional baggage bit going on, whereas Millar Barry is pretty much quips and jokes, nothing else.
Miller's costume doesn't look that bad in darker scenes, but still looks too busy in well-lit scenes.
Jaxson Campbell
Nope, just the red suit. No long hairdo either.
It's the usual barebones plot. Like, even barer than Avengers 1, since those had already-developed characters and more consistency.
Kryptonian ship tech. He pretty much fights Steppenwolf and the Parademons, that's about it. No trinity moment, just the League as a whole.
Owen Morales
Does Superman actually do any of the following talk/smile/save people/interact with people in a friendly manner/seem like he doesn't want to kill himself anymore?
Angel Scott
Well, he's less mopey, really upbeat and definitely smiles a lot more.
Feels closer to the Reeves boyscout Superman than MoS Supes.
Christopher Russell
What about a handshake with Batman? None at all?
Also, can you tell how much they brighten him up in this? Does he actually talk? Does he smile? Does he say something to the team?
Isaiah Fisher
Batman reads Lex's journal and figures out Kryptonians don't die, they just go into comas. So after torturing Lex off-screen, he realizes the Kryptonian scout ship can bring Superman back, so he has Flash and Cyborg steal Superman's body and take it to Metropolis. They have to place him in that puddle of water that created Doomsday while Flash runs around to produce enough lightning to jolt Cyborg's Motherbox active so it can in turn jolt the ship active and the ship can heal Superman.
Luke Miller
>Lex's journal >Kryptonians don't die Oh what a load of bullshit
Ethan Sullivan
This. Basically the movie feels like more of an attempt to validate Superman's return rather than to establish Steppenwolf as a veritable threat.
David Hughes
How does the movie feel SnydervWhedon % wise if you had to take a guess and put a number on it?
Charles Wright
Its almost as if cramming Death of Superman in the third act was a stupid fucking idea
Ryder Young
After the fucking mess the DCEU has made of Superman, I think this is entirely justifiable. Snyder needs to pay for his sins.
Adrian Moore
Better than THE AVENGERS?
Brandon Morales
Maybe 60% Snyder, 40% Whedon. All of Superman's bits feel very Whedonish. Also, the CGI de-mustache looks a bit off at times.
Oliver Powell
Did Superman pull the "bad guy beats the shit out of the League and Superman single-handedly roflstomps the bad guy" cliche? Because I'd looe it just for that.
Carter Gutierrez
Also the Parademons apparently steal the last Mother Box that Steppenwolf was previously unable to find because the League steals it from S.T.A.R. Labs, puts it out in the open then leaves it unprotected while they're dealing with Lazarus madness Superman.
Oliver Nelson
>Cyborg's really dull and not quite developed as a character. You'd think they would play up the whole Man v Machine element like Robocop, but nope, he wasn't fleshed out. He stands out from the rest of the team though, because his CGI just looks really off. Ray Fisher's not particularly memorable either. This really deflates whatever hype I had remaining. Cyborg was my favorite character in that old TT cartoon (I don't read TT comics, fuck off) and the trailers had me disappointed by how bland he seemed to be acting. Really disheartening to see that they were more or less accurate and he's just a bland asshole.
Gavin Hughes
Nope. Batman and Wonder Woman defeat Steppenwolf on their own.
Superman does handle enough Parademons to give them a chance to get to Steppenwolf, though.
Blake Price
Yep, killing him off at the end of BvS for no reason is really weird.
It's a pity that Cavill had to start off with two bad portrayals of Superman. He's well cast, but given terrible material to work with.
Nope. At least Avengers 1 didn't feel so jarringly uneven, and had a better level of humour throughout.
Not really. Steppenwolf doesn't even get KOed by the League, he just gets beamed out by Darkseid.
James Walker
I knew they were gonna pull some major shit out of their ass to bring him back, but what in the fuck....
Cooper Gutierrez
So where would we rank it among other capeshit, not just DCEU? Like factoring in FOX movies and the MCU?
Benjamin Peterson
>Nope. Batman and Wonder Woman defeat Steppenwolf on their own. BULLSHIT.
Benjamin Anderson
OP, I know you're not a normie, but give us your assessment: are normies going to like this movie? Do you think it will make a fuckton of money, like WB wants it to?
Gavin Cooper
>Kryptonians don't die Zod looked pretty fucking dead.
James Lee
>Its another "Barry solves the issue by running in a fucking circle" episode All I wanted was one infinite mass punch in Steppenwolf's face, and I can't even have that. I'm sick of this slow mo shenanigan bullshit Qucksilver made popular to casuals.
Hudson Baker
>Kryptonians don't die
So everyone that was on Krypton is just in a coma floating around in space?
Michael Bell
Yeah, there's actually so much they could have done with Cyborg in terms of the inner psyche kinda path. Should've had a solo movie to work on that, but he had to be shoehorned into the Mother Box plot.
It's kinda like they had to retcon it asap.
Hmm, that's a tough scale. Worse than typical MCU, because it's like some bizarre half-sibling to the MCU. Definitely worse than Logan and X-Men First Class. Maybe on par with X3?
It's a passable popcorn flick. Go in, watch some mindless action, don't think too much, don't remember too much.
Who knows, maybe they'll retcon his death too.
Yeah actually he's pretty much Fox Quicksilver 2.0, but with a shittonne more quips.
Leo Thompson
>maybe they'll retcon his death too I mean, they already kind of did. Zod was Doomsday, the only reason he mutated when he came back was because of human blood as opposed to Krypotnian DNA
Jeremiah Bennett
Oh come on, how did you not know that Gadot and Affleck would defeat the villian, they are the leads.
Ethan Hughes
>I wouldn't say it's BAD everyone else will and rightfully so
That is the fucking kiss of death. This movie isn't going to crack $800 million. If it even makes more than Wonder Woman I'll be shocked.
Aaron Richardson
Yeah, but maybe they'll retcon his Doomsday death and mutation or some shit.
They're practically tripping over themselves to retcon stuff. Even the BvS Knightmare scene was barely alluded to, and all that was referenced was Bruce telling Barry he's seen him in a dream.
Nicholas Jones
>everyone else will But they already are saying its okay, even actual reviewers, not just random fans from the streets
>Affleck switching from raspy Batvoice to normal voice in that "Point me to Atlantis" shot
Owen Nguyen
>on par with X3
Asher Ramirez
>Overall, I'd say it's easily among the best DCEU offerings so very mediocre at best. eh, whatever. could be worse.
Gabriel Phillips
no proof they're actual reviewers ESPECIALLY not ones that matter and they didn't say it's "okay" they say it's a flawed mess but their nostalgia nerdboners say it's VERY COOL anyway
Dylan Wood
>Kryptonians don't die, they just go into comas Wow, the one instance where you can say "Tell that to Zod's snapped neck" with absolutely zero irony.
Jeremiah Gomez
Who else has taken a perverse pleasure in Ben Affleck's misery this past year? Part of me feels like it's cruel, but at the same time there's another part that really enjoys seeing him visibly suffer. It's really weird, I don't get this sort of pleasure watching most actors suffer, and Affleck himself isn't really terribly offensive. But there's just something about him that makes his slow self-destruction amusing.
Carter Perez
I know, right. It's the kinda thing that makes you feel sad yet intrigued.
Josiah White
It's because you're seeing the slow progression happen since most actors are no longer in the limelight when this hits
Colton Howard
I thought this picture was really funny but beyond that I just feel sorry for him.
Benjamin Nelson
>mfw I missed the memo on the reshoots and have been fucking bingeing on booze and smokes
Daniel Phillips
>On the plus side, Mera is really hot. How is her fight scenes? Does she get a good showing?
>- Superman: Cavill is fantastic in this, despite the really short screentime. Guess 3rd time's the charm, because he really gets to be Superman in all his glory here, and doesn't job like how he did in BvS. Goes to show that Cavill's a great casting choice, as long as he's written well. Is he still taking the situation seriously at least? He isn't campy at all?
Landon James
Hey OP does Flash really get that fabled new costume during or after the movie?
Logan Moore
I watched the movie last Tuesday in a advanced screening in São Paulo. OP is lying.
The first post credit scene is Flash and Superman race, and the second is Deathstroke breaking out Luthor from prison.
The soundtrack is okay. It's a hard work score a movie with two directors with two different visions, and Elfman did a good job. It's better than Suicide Squad and Batman v Superman score.
There are two Green Lanterns in the movie, both aliens. They only appeared in the History Lesson scene. One is killed by Steppenwolf.
The pacing is bad, but not Batman v Superman and Suicide Squad kind of bad. Overall, It's a solid movie, but I think the critics will hate it. I'm still looking for 50 - 65% on RT.
Gabriel James
Couldn't they have just used a Lazarus pit to tie in a Batman movie with Ras al Ghul that would probably end up better than the previous films?
Caleb Martin
>Retcon it as Kryptonians can only die from snapped necks
Eli Mitchell
>all that colour Snyder must hate it.
Kayden Morales
>He comes across as channeling his inner Adam West >Here, though it's a radically different approach to the character BURN IT THE FUCK DOWN. I knew It, I fucking knew they would do some mother fucking bullshit like this when Affleck commented a while back that people apparently don't want serious Batman movies, NO THAT WAS NEVER THE CRITICISM OF BVS, it was that we didn't want serious Superman movies. Fuck You, Fuck You, FUCK YOU!
Samuel Cook
Also, the Cavill-CGI-look to hide the mustache is one of the most cringiest things I've ever seen in a movie. It's pretty poor, and I feel bad for the VFX team.
David Rivera
>Does she get a good showing? Yes, she gets a very good showing indeed.
>Is he still taking the situation seriously at least? He isn't really campy per se, but more optimistic and cheerful. Cavill sure looks a lot better smiling than angsting.
Nope. Not that I can tell.
I don't think they actually have a concrete gameplan or future map.
They colortweaked some of the scenes, but it still feels really off.
Jacob Gomez
There is only ONE Adam West. Any other Batman saying one liners just seems wrong
Gabriel Nguyen
>So after torturing Lex off-screen Wait what?
Kayden Martinez
>It's better than Suicide Squad and Batman v Superman score. you can't be serious
>Nope. Batman and Wonder Woman defeat Steppenwolf on their own. Do they have the execution by Darkseid or not?
Jeremiah Morris
Wasn't Lex originally in the movie, and they cut his scenes when Snyder left?
Anthony Powell
>Yep, killing him off at the end of BvS for no reason To prove to humanity once and for all that his intent was noble the whole time.
William Walker
It feels like it was originally supposed to be a full scene, but got cut off into exposition instead.
You're forgetting this guy.
Gavin Watson
>Nope. Batman and Wonder Woman defeat Steppenwolf on their own. >Superman does handle enough Parademons to give them a chance to get to Steppenwolf, though. I have said all along that Snyderman is basically the Hulk. He is the most powerful, but Batman and Diana are the ones calling the shots now.
Sebastian Flores
So based off that do you see them progressively improving there films each film? I find Marvel dose not listen to there fans or critics what so ever and suffers from the same problems each films. DC seems to at least be trying to make an effort but by the sounds of it they over did it trying to play up the "lighter" atmosphere in there films.
That sucks about Cyborg. Ray Fisher looks looks like he had a solid character image built up way more so then everyone then Cavil and Gadot. The fact his solo movie got canceled makes this very upsetting
Connor Hughes
>Who else has taken a perverse pleasure in Ben Affleck's misery this past year? He doesn't have to cheat on his wife, you know. He made the choice and now he suffers for it. I don't hate him, but it is clear the pain isn't undeserved.
Sebastian Myers
They cut the scene. He'd show up at Lex's prison cell and demand info, Lex would act like the little shit he is until Batman breaks his finger then he'd cry and blurt out all the info.
Jaxson Reed
>>mfw I missed the memo on the reshoots and have been fucking bingeing on booze and smokes I would have thought that it would be better to CGI his head on a stand-in. But then I realised that reshoots tend to be really late in production when there is no more time or money to do CGI touchups.
Jacob Jenkins
Nope. He just gets beamed out. No word on whether he's dead.
Brandon Martinez
>Batman and Wonder Woman defeat Steppenwolf on their own.
How much is Superman really in it
Eli Clark
The score is really forgettable in the movie. You know how you can associate some tracks with certain scenes in movies? This isn't applicable here.
The only bit I remember is hearing some chunks of Keaton Batman, Reeves Superman and the Avengers theme, which is really really odd.
Yep.
Nope, Steppenwolf gets beamed out.
I'd say it's hard to conclude if they're progressively improving with each film per se. Like, using MoS as a baseline, BvS was bad, SS was a different kind of bad, WW was an improvement, JL isn't really an improvement on WW.
Dominic Perry
>I find Marvel dose not listen to there fans or critics
Of course they do. But the half a dozen critics that complain about their humor are outweighted by the massive audience each movie gets and that always praised them for being funny and fun.
Christian Ross
>CGI touchups. Oh speaking of that, they didn't CGI him slimmer either, so some of the Batman shots are really really bloated.
Ayden Sanders
Less than 20 minutes.
Levi Foster
20 minutes or so.
>Gets revived crazy >Throws Batman around for a bit >Sees Lois and immediately whisks her away to get his sex on >Hangs around Kent Farm for a while while Steppenwolf begins destroying the world >Eventually joins the fight and solos a few Parademons >Drops a cringy line, some blatant MoS apologism takes place >Carries an apartment complex full of people (neat scene) >Somehow gets his job back at the Daily Planet despite an open casket funeral
Jace Adams
Why does Steppenwolf need these the mother boxes in particular when New Gods can just easily make more anytime they want?
Jason Jenkins
oh wowe
Christopher Howard
This thread makes the movie sound like a total shitshow. It sounds exactly like the horrible mishmash we all feared it would be.
Cooper Lopez
>57% Fresh >Critical Consensus: "The direction of Joss Whedon does not quite manage to overcome the drabness of Zack Snyder's story in this overall entertaining, but deeply uneven leg in the DC Extended Universe."
Screencap.
Jayden Sullivan
They don't really explain it, beyond him collecting them. Then again, nothing's really explained at all.
Easton Sullivan
>57% Fresh A) Anything below 60% is Rotten and B) That's WAY too high
John Stewart
>It's better than Batman v Superman score. BULL SHIT!
Leo King
>- Plot's really simple. Basically Steppenwolf's hunting down Mother Boxes for his big bad boss, really reminds me of Avengers 1. The only twist is Superman's return, which is pretty much expected already. Before I read this i was completely oblivious to the fact that superman wasn't in any ads for this movie
Jeremiah Parker
I mean can they fix there antagonists then? That's been a complaint since Iron man 2 in 2008 and here at 2017 Black panther will be fighting someone exactly like him but evil. Just like Ironman, Just like Dr Strange, Just like hulk, Just like Antman, etc.
Jace Cooper
Do they mention whether Steppenwolf is Darkseids Uncle or Nephew?
Wyatt Lopez
The movie has many structural problems. Critics will hate it.
RT: 50 - 60% BO: 700 - 850mi
Joseph Stewart
>This thread makes the movie sound like a total shitshow. It sounds exactly like the horrible mishmash we all feared it would be. It is an uneven break. I would rather that Snyder finish the film by himself, fail, take all the blame, and then have Whedon starting a film on a clean slate.
Having JL being a mishmash was always going to end up problematic.