Why is transgenderism a mental illness that should be treated with a therapist and not a surgeon?

Why is transgenderism a mental illness that should be treated with a therapist and not a surgeon?

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>mental illness
yup there you go I answered it for you

Transgenderism is a perversion that should be treated with bullets.

It's usually treated with both.

Because lets look at some other mental illnesses that revolve around body image.

>Anorexia
A very serious problem treated with therapy; not a lap band surgery and liposuction to make them thinner
>Muscle dysmorphia
Not as big an issue, but treated with therapy; not implanting huge muscles
>Body Dysmorphic Disorder
A mental illness treated with, you guessed it, therapy; not extensive plastic surgery.


By allowing them to 'transition' (really just surgically mutilate themselves), you're just giving in to their delusions and encouraging further unhealthy behaviour. You wouldn't suggest stricter diets to an anorexic, so why suggest cutting dicks off to trannies? I think the medical community has taken a very questionable stance on this issue, and I think that whatever the justifications for transitioning might be, they don't outweight the further mental damage being done by pandering to their delusions.

Because, you wouldn't take someone who identifies as jesus christ and encourage their lunacy by nailing them to a cross at their request. You treat them with medication and a psychiatrist just like trannys need to be. ANYONE that feels they born as something they are not needs to have a retard wrangler in charge of their well being and to be responsible and held accountable for their retarded asses to prevent them from hurting themselves and/or others.

>suicide rates

They do get therapists
I wish I was born a girl

this

unless they were born different biologically/physically

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the surgeon's answer is to cut
the doctor's answer is to treat


You should be proud of your body it is because it's the only one you've got. Don't let someone looking to make a quick buck chop you up, that's a road of destruction you can never return from.

If you identify as a female but have a penis, so what? enjoy your lady penis. If you identify as a man but have a vagina, so what? enjoy your man cunt.


If it really is a social construct then don't let doctors tell you you need to change your body to fit a definition created by society.

On the inside I'm a 4-4-0 william mason steam engine. I pull a heavy load glistening in steam and coal soot. I am beautiful. (train noises)

wtf

It should be treated with an executioner

literally this

I think the proper treatment is a shotgun blast to the mouth

>caring about how other males dress and behave
butthurt closeted fag detected

it's not

gender dysphoria is a mental illness however; it's treated surgically

source: degree in cognitive neuroscience

Stop.

Almost everybody goes through phases where they wish they could radically change things about themselves. The difference is that most people just learn to accept shit. You are a selfish ass. You will never be a girl, get used to it.

Because surgeons don't treat mental illness
Unless you're recommending a lobotomy

We stopped the therapists back in the 80's by shutting down mental institutions and diverting it into our College and Universities.

It should be illegal to "treat" a mental illness with surgery of healthy body parts, unless its a surgery to cut out a diseased brain that is causing the mental retardation. Its quakery. Someone that is mentally ill that wants to get rid or change body parts should not be legally considered of sound mind.

because it is a rejection of reality and an internalization of false reasoning in order to achieve an idealized justification of what the person wants.

It is totally mental. The bone structure is male. The skull size is male. The genitals are male. The chromosomes are male. The chemicals in the body are male. The body's natural production system is being as male as it can be and you are

1) removing the testosterone production facilities.
2) patching or swallowing estrogen to replace it, all done via outside the body
3) using social channels to bully and enforce your insane world view and using legal means, not natural means to have it done.

It's not natural it is artificial it is CHIMERA

I'm a manlet and if I said I was thinking of getting that limb extending surgery thing I bet you wouldn't give a shit.

do you have a neuroscience degree?

to uncirclejerk for a sec: it's the only treatment we've developed that works thus far

This. This is the reason we have the school shootings we have, this is the reason college students acts like 3 year olds, this is why "liberals" are retards, because before the 90's we would file them away into institutions for public safety. Now the retards are running loose on the streets and in our schools to act like fucking retards, hurt themselves and hurting others. Fucking Democrats have ruined this country.

And whose idea was it to shut down the mental institutions? I already know, I'm asking if you know.

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There's nothing

Again, nailing a retard up on a cross because he thinks he is Jesus isn't treatment. It's encouraging his delusion, and he will still be retarded.

When someone is retarded there is no treatment. You cant fix mental retardation, and surgically maiming someone for a few years of "relief" until age makes its EVEN MORE obvious that frankentranny is really a man and the depression sets in that they never will be a woman, and ends up suiciding. I don't need a degree in psychology or neurosciences to have common sense in a subject such as this. Encouraging mental delusions should be illegal and especially so if it's maiming a perfectly healthy body with surgery.

i know you think this is a brilliant rebuttal

>not a surgeon
Because they already loss their reproductive organs

Because its in fact, a mental illness.

Surgical treatment is only encouraging what is a delusion of the mind.
Therapy doesn't have a guarantee of working of course, but hell, neither does encouraging the delusion through surgery.

Isn't the suicide rate percentage in the 20s?

Surgery isn't a solution, its really quite the opposite.

Getting organs removed is a pretty big decision. I can imagine a lot of people regretting what they've done to themselves later on in their life.

Everyone makes some terrible decisions throughout their life.

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That's not the same. If you got height extension because you're a manlet that's because you're such an insecure faggot it bothered you that much rather than just owning it. But trannies think they're something they're not. You don't go around thinking you're tall wearing over sized pants and shirts. They run around thinking they're the opposite sex and dress like that.

Either way both would be ridiculous for their own reasons. Just accept it.

Suicide rates post surgery are sky high, upwards of 40%. This demonstrates that surgery isn't sufficient, or even desirable any a huge number of cases. Vast majority do not undergo the surgery, of those who do a majority regret it. therapy should be preferred option, but after psychology had a bit of a whoopsy in trying to electroshock poofs straight (honest mistake really) we've decided that anything is only a mental illness if it both causes clinically significant distress and inhibits functionality to the subject and/or others. Basically we said "fuck it, if you don't basically fall apart and take folks with you, we aren't calling it illness"

medical student here

this person is correct

why is surgery appropriate treatment for transgenderism?

>why is aids an autoimmune disease that should be treated with medication and not goat blood?

40s actually

Remember when the best doctors of the time thought bloodletting was the best approach to cure illnesses?

Just because it's what we think is the best way bow doesn't mean it necessarily is. Maybe in 100 years they will laugh at us for letting people mutilate their genitals because of feelings

It should be treated with the gas chamber

>why is Body Integrity Identity Disorder a mental illness that should be treated with a therapist and not a surgeon

kill yourself

Explain the difference between a man who thinks he is a woman and a man who thinks he is Jesus. What illness requires surgery on perfectly healthy body parts? A person identifies as a quadriplegic, would it be ethical to surgically cut their spine to encourage their delusion? Do no harm. Hippocratic oath. etc. etc.

>Tfw musicale body and high T levels
>still cannot escape this curse and longing to be a girl

KILL ME POL
KILL ME

I'm doing my degree in cognitive neuroscience, surgery is not the answer.

If you thought you were a dog, we would try to convince you that you were wrong, we wouldn't glue fur onto you.

KILLLLLL MEEEEEE

WHEN WILL IT GO AWAY

We wouldn't, but Tumblr-esque mentality would

>we wouldn't glue fur on to you
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Absolutely fucking /thread

Therapy friendo, help is out there, go find it. If you are lucky you'll find the help you need and comfort in your own body. You are not deficient, just in some trouble, you are also not the first, nor the last man to suffer this way. Others have gone thru this, and found peace. You can as well.

Cutting off your dick has yet to fix the 40% suicide rate among trans folk, it's time for something new

I am not man.

In the sense of manhood.
I train everyday. And have excellent strength.

But I feel dead inside when given the dominant role. And it I'm ashamed to admit. I can't even top a women or a man.

I've tried so many time. My dick won't work

As I say, find help. The road you are on is well traveled by others who came before you and found a way to peace, just time and effort.

I was for trannies before but that's won me over, you're a goy user

Sex isn't everything in existence buckaroo. What would you tell a pedofile to do if they simply couldn't get their dick up for anyone under 10 years old?

You'd tell them to get help. Or to give up on sex entirely for their own sake.

*anyone over, fuck me I killed my own post there

Finding assistance is worth it, I have heard trannys who have gone thru therapy successfully say that it feels like being introduced into humanity again. You won't find what you need from /pol, and I can't help you over the net friendo, you need to find a face to face helper. A psychologist, its what they are trained to do. Help those of us who struggle.

to be fair a lot of them still kill themselves because the feeling of dysphoria doesn't disappear when you cut off the dick/testicles

and there is no real treatment that we know of, sadly.

the treatment outside of that, just lessens the feeling of dysphoria, but it doesn't go away because brain chemistry is extermely complex especially in something like gender.

It is a moral problem, they should be shunned by society and beat up as faggots. That is the only therapy needed, transgenderism is not a problem in societies that does that and you also don't get trans-based suicides either. All the negative effects of the moral problems are removed by just beating it out of them

And this just proves that psychiatry is complete bullshit.

They can't even be consistent.

I mean the sucks thing is that if you do either people will hate you no matter what

power to those who's gender dypshoria isn't so bad tho, that they don't want to cut off their nuts/dick

>What would you tell a pedofile to do if they simply couldn't get their dick up for anyone under 10 years old?
I wouldn't tell him anything, because he would never reveal that to me. Western pedophilia laws come together to make being a pedophile the true crime, not abusing children. They will lock you up for writing erotic stories, or for doing drawings of fictional children.

This. Because surgeons can't treat mental illness. Not unless the surgery is on your fucking brain.

>I wish I was born a girl
that's fine.. but it doesn't mean you are one simply because you wish it to be true

Unless you are a hermaphrodite then 'transgender' is meaningless.

I don't think I could face another human being with these issues.

It's laughable for a man to want these things. It's shameful

And then I see girls or even trannies on youtube and feel he most heartwrrnching jealousy and want to die

There is no gender you fucking idiot... geee

>man cunt
i love how dirty that sounds

I know. That's why it hurts so much
I just wish i was born normal

My mother was forecast to have girl when she was pregnant. Instead she got me.

>They will lock you up for writing erotic stories, or for doing drawings of fictional children.
Holy shmoly Canada. How do you get your loli porn then?

Because transgenderism is an imbalance in the hormones distinctive between both genders. You can choose to go to a surgeon and look more feminine, but at the end of the day that's not really doing much for you.

just do it, don't listen to what people on here tell you

just do what makes you happy, you'll probably end up regretting not starting sooner

the wish isn't going to go away

loli porn is illegal, classified as the same as CP. Most of the cases surrounding this I believe have been as a result of computers searched at the border. So if you are not stupid you will be fine, but the law is the law. Being a pedophile is against the law.

There's no shame in therapy man, and I genuinely think it might do wonders for you

NO stop getting cut up and dosed to fix your problems.

It has been successfully treated with drugs multiple times.

Its not shameful for anorexics to not want to eat, not shameful for schizophrenics to hallucinate and not shameful for depressives to suffer depression, why is you condition shameful? Psychologists are trained not to pass judgement, besides you don't need to kick in the door with a neon sign saying "I suffer on the inside because I wish I could be a lady!" Simply go in, sit down and say "listn I have some issues, I want to work thru them, but its gonna take some time for me to be able to get up the nerve to open up" then you can take your time in deciding whether you want to open up, or just say fuck it and bail on the whole idea. But at least then you gave it a chance, and frankly man, it has to be better than not doing anything about it right?

A mental illness is defined in the dsm 5 as a clinically significant behavioral or psychological syndrome or pattern that occurs in an individual and that is associated with present distress or disability (i.e., impairment in one or more important areas of functioning)

Trans people have a ridiculously high suicide rate, their gender dysphoria is obviously a psychological pattern that is causing distress. Find me anything else that fits the definition and isn't considered a mental illness.

Because plastics. And liberals. And the pill.

It's a confluence of factors.

This. Transgender is a mental illness because you think your a girl while your body is 100% male. It's just like those guys who thing they're aliens or have multiple personality, they must be treated by the psychologist. Beside in medium long term their brain gets fucked up because you're injecting female hormones on a male brain. It's like using gasoline on a diesel car.

You don't need to worry, if Shillary, the government and the media wins and things continue on their current path, ACTUAL pedophilia won't be illegal for long.

Be glad that people don't mistake you for a girl when you put down your height and weight stats and say it looks like you're wearing makeup when you take of you glasses, or want to put you in firos clothing

Being a trap is a mistake

I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you, psychiatry is a lot of bullshit; however, the lack of consistency in the post you replied to only exists because of "questionable" treatments for trannies. If we treated them with therapy instead of surgery then everything would be consistent.

Not sure if thats what you were saying or if you were trying to imply that therapy is a bullshit treatment for any/all the conditions mentioned.

What about my friends my family.
I'll never have the courage to disappoint them

Fucking children should be illegal. Coercing children to participate in child porn should be illegal. Distributing copies of such should be illegal.
These are all crimes with a victim, actions that have a measurable negative consequence on a real, vulnerable person. Everything else has to go. You cannot abuse a fictional child. You should not be prosecuted for wanting to fuck kids, just as long as you never do.
Some people really want all pedos to go straight to the electric chair, though. I wonder what Sup Forums thinks?

>tfw raised like a boy, basicaly Hitlerjugend-tier, outdoors, /fit/ and around machines
>now young adult, can't stand other women

>attracted to QT3.14 potential aryan husbandos
>but would rather be a man myself since the modern woman world is so hellish

it hurts

>Again, nailing a retard up on a cross because he thinks he is Jesus isn't treatment. It's encouraging his delusion, and he will still be retarded.

In germany we have a tradition to make people our politicians to cure them from their retardness.
It never works.
They actually get even dumber and more retarded.

just fucking kill me

That's all well and good but I won't they just say "transition"

That's the official medical stance in bongland. They'll will lull me in with a fantasy and make me become a freak

They have "gender therapists" that literally recommend this behaviour

I agree with this user like:

How can there be dialogue today about self-love and eliminating gender roles, yet a man NEEDS to cut off his penis and renounce his existence to behave like a woman.

cant a man, for all intents and purposes, act feminine and woman-like but openly be a man?? why can't men just wear dresses and suck cock without anyone telling them their gender is a mistake?

This is the liberal hypocrisy I don't get...

Needs to be treated with a gas chamber or a firing squad

Asking to fix a tranny is asking to fix a person who is retarded, there is no cure. A psychiatrist can prescribe meds to combat the depression and anxiety and dope them the fuck up so they don't hurt themselves or others.

I thought that was Superman at first glance.

We will never be a real girl.

>tfw disgusting tranny
even i think i should die

>treating it with a therapist or a surgeon

Why not a bullet

thank you for being sensible, canada guy

Everyone flips the fuck out over "pedophilia" when it's just drawn images, nothing with an actual child involved

Me personally? I don't indulge in any of it either way because I have no interest, but all it seems like to me is persecution based on thoughtcrime

Imagine if there were no surgeons, no hormones or anything like that. It would just be a guy who wants to cut his own dick off. That's insane. It's a retarded made up condition that is only physically enabled by modern medicine. It is not naturally occurring. It can't be. Our prehistoric ancestors didn't have different clothes for males or females. They didn't have hormones. They didn't have SRS. Able-bodied men grew up into men and women into women. Therefore it's not naturally occurring. It's a mental condition caused by the environment of modern life that eventually becomes an obsession.

I vote straight to the electric chair.

>against the law.
I will never understand western mindset.
It's ok to be a trap but not a closet pedo with self-drawn loli collection. It's ok to marry gays but having 2 wives is a big no-no. Beastiality is cool but incest is ebil. Why?