> The Punisher Early Reviews Are Split on Marvel/Netflix’s Latest
> The first wave of reviews for The Punisher are now online and, much like opinion about Frank Castle himself, critics appears to be somewhat split on whether the show is a mold-breaker for the Marvel/Netflix corner of the MCU, a bit of a Marvel TV misfire in the vein of Iron Fist and/or ABC’s Inhumans, or something in-between. For more on that, read the following spoiler-free Punisher review excerpts (with corresponding links to the full reviews).
i should have expected this the moment the show steered towards goverment conspiracy shit instead of just Frank killing over the top criminals in a epidosic manner
Josiah Morales
i don't rly care for the punisher and i think that the character in general is p dumb can i just say tho, that 1989 pun is really hot
Ryan Jenkins
Ah, fuck. And here I was looking forward to this.
Angel Lopez
I forgot how terrifying Ray Stevenson looked. It's too bad he had to be a part of a divisive movie, he'd be a great Punisher in a proper Ennis adaptation.
Christian White
>Dumbass txt speak >Shit opinion checks out
Jose Ramirez
so you don't agree that 89 pun is super hot?
Parker Hernandez
No. Go be gay somewhere else.
Ian Morgan
I do user.
Justin Evans
Meh.
Gonna watch it.
Gonna enjoy it.
Justin Gonzalez
imagine calling the inhumans show "a bit" of a misfire
Jeremiah Rivera
Imagine hiring Scott Buck in the first place
Jordan Thompson
Stevenson punisher was the best punisher.
that dude was a fucking force of nature who killed in more and more ludicrous ways without giving a single shit.
Owen Rodriguez
Good thing you've made up your mind before even watching it, 5 Mickey Fun Bucks were deposited to your account.
Jason Morgan
I didn't finish Iron Fist or Defenders. Marvel Netflix has been slipping for a while now.
Cooper King
I bet you suck your mom's dick every damn day.
Jonathan Jones
>Guess the its getting worse and worse every damn show Those are almost all great reviews, and the ones that are negative make a point to mention how gun stuff is problematic in the wake of recent violence, making it clear they have an axe to grind.
Thomas Kelly
>these shows i didn't watch were terrible
Aiden Adams
Iron Fist was just a bad ripoff of Arrow which was an already bad show and I got bored halfway through and stopped watching, Defenders was mediocre but I liked most of the cast and chemistry was decent so I watched all of it, Inhumans is a majestic dumpster fire that is so bad I have to finish it just to see if it can get stupider.
Jaxon Gonzalez
Most of these reviews are just retarded SJW complaints that it doesnt address gun violence enough. Fuck them. Frank isn't some political mouthpiece. Here is an example.
>There may hopefully be a time when Frank’s actions don’t instantly recall horrors from our world, but that version of his story will still need to be told much more compellingly than this.
Julian Robinson
They dumbed down the origin of Frank for normalfags. I can already tell it'll be retarded muh revenge plot with one or two good performance, shit action and not much tongue in cheek/satirical stuff. Go read some Punisher Max trades instead because you won't get anything good here.
Anthony Bell
Is Frank the patron saint of american mass shooters?
Brayden Hughes
This
Grayson Wright
Are you ready to admit that Daredevil season 1 was a fluke?
Brayden Reyes
The guy said he didn't finish the shows, not that he didn't watch them, you illiterate fuck.
Connor Perez
Been saying it since Jessica Jones.
Camden Davis
I already did. I do think that Cottonmouth is the only villain worth a damn other than Fisk though
Nathaniel Reyes
>Created by Steve Lightfoot (Hannibal)
Sold.
Jeremiah Gray
I'm getting really tired of all those Marvel shills flooding the board.
Dominic Bailey
All the homolust in Hannibal was 100% Bryan Fuller, I wouldn't hold my breath for intense, sexual staredowns between Frank and Microchip.
Gabriel Hall
>Bernthal's Punisher is a perfect character for a four- to six-hour miniseries and then maybe to occasionally weave into other parts of Netflix's Marvel Universe. Unfortunately, whether the fault lies with Marvel or Netflix, this is a partnership that violates all of Netflix's "Tell your story the way it needs to be told" rules for other shows. With the exception of The Defenders, which was always announced as a miniseries, each and every one of the Marvel/Netflix shows has been 13 episodes and they've all had comparable lags in pacing and stumbles in storytelling to reach that number. But Marvel's The Punisher is the first one that feels at least twice the length it should be.
Fuck. I believe every single word of this.
Jaxson Baker
Who doesn't at this point?
Aiden Flores
me
Lincoln Garcia
08 version was the best will ever get. Your all fucks for not supporting it
Brayden Wilson
i concur. war zone gets no love. i feel bad for the director. she did an amazing job.
Angel Young
>But Marvel's The Punisher is the first one that feels at least twice the length it should be.
Implying every single one of these shows wouldn't have been better at a hard cap of 6 episodes. Jessica Jones was like 20 episodes and it was excruciating.
Jayden Morgan
The strength of Hannibal was in the surreal horror and atmosphere. Who was responsible for those? I clearly didn't feel anything like that from a Punisher trailer.
Ethan Kelly
It wasn't a fluke, it was the work of Steven DeKnight who made the first season and then left.
Charles Reed
>Frank isn't some political mouthpiece. Tell that to the showrunners who turned Frank’s story into a government espionage revenge plot. This is worse than Spider-Man 3 with the Sandman/Uncle Ben retcon.
Angel Bell
Have you seen the show?
Jacob Ortiz
>overarching plot instead of pulp like short stories nobody will ever get it right
Landon Martin
I’m remarking on the added political aspect to Frank’s story, which is objectively a dumb move no matter what happens in the show itself.
Christopher Cruz
honestly i've been watching it and actually liking it. it's basically the karnak show till the last two episodes
Parker Gonzalez
I like it because of how over the top and cartoony it got at points. I especially enjoyed it for not being an origin story and just letting Frank be the punisher for the entire movie.
Adam Brown
So you haven't seen the show?
Xavier Wilson
Read my post again.
Camden Jones
Why does every adaptation of the Punisher gets tempted by the easy narrative thread of Frank being personally attacked by some easily identifiable aggressor and losing his family, then going after them for revenge?
The character is so much more compelling if he's tragedy comes from a random act of violence his family got unwillingly caught up on, with no easy face to put a bullet to, forcing Frank to have to go after ALL of crime.
Why always a conspiracy?
Jose Smith
Its the easiest plot device in all of hollywood
Noah Morales
THIS. i never understood why it got no love. it was frank as he should be all the way.
Brandon Jackson
Same reason Joker killed Batman's parents, the spider that bit Peter was from Oscorp, Jeff Bridges was friends with Stark's dad, Ra's trained Batman, etc. etc.
Establishing a villain and a hero in the same story is easier if you tie the two together
James Butler
not that guy, but there's a fucking reason why fpbp applies, even for this thread and it's even supported by this >The character is so much more compelling if he's tragedy comes from a random act of violence his family got unwillingly caught up on, with no easy face to put a bullet to, forcing Frank to have to go after ALL of crime.
Charles Lewis
Because then you can easily drag the story out over however many episodes with; >You thought I ordered the hit? Man I knew this'd come back to bite us all in the ass. I'm not the guy who ordered your families death, but I was in the room when it happened
Luis Walker
It wasn't, it had a couple of brilliant episodes in a sea of drawn-out tediousness.
Juan Butler
Yes
Lucas Sanders
>added political aspect Have you actually read any Punisher?
Kayden Hall
Ennis MAX had multiple long running plots.
Tying in Stane to Stark was an improvement though, as it added a layer of betrayal that you couldn't get with an external villain.
Bentley Robinson
Of course not. This is a live action Sup Forums aka Sup Forums on Sup Forums.
Gabriel Jones
I still like Jessica Jones S1 over Daredevil.
>REEEEEEEE
Whatever. I'm not saying its perfect or there aren't some terrible side characters, but I gave an actual shit about Jess and Patsy and I'm a sucker for crime stories about total fuckups.
David Baker
some are saying it's the best marvel show
others are saying it's bad
definitely a love it or hate it/no in between.
i wonder if the haters are due to the mass shootings recently and have their own agenda and can't separate reality from a comic book character. because i find it hard to believe that this show is really worse than iron fist/shithumans
we'll know by the end of the week lads
Logan Wood
They had overarching characters but the plot was resolved within the same arch
Robert Hernandez
Source? Who is saying it's better than DD S1 or worse than Iron Fist?
As far as I can tell the (legitimate) criticism is unanimous in praising Bernthal's performance and criticizing the shitty pacing and decompressed plotting.
William Brown
Sounds more like they made his origin more complicated with the government conspiracy
Adam King
This is actually the first of these dumb shows I'll actually watch because of how much the creators and actor have talked about their love of the Punisher comics. It sounds like they really want to do justice to the material.
I don't listen to the critics and casuals who actually like the MCU
Jaxson Butler
>i wonder if the haters are due to the mass shootings recently and have their own agenda and can't separate reality from a comic book character.
I'm a literal liberal faggot and I find this argument idiotic.
Look, I'd watch liberal action movies if they exited, but they don't outside of like, the Bourne movies. But as it turns out, liberals are really fucking bad at writing gritty action pulp, so I just accept the fact that I won't agree with the politics of my action trash and move on.
Leo Ramirez
That would be a thing if they were criticizing the character or the violence in the show, but so far no one has and are actually citing that as a strength.
Brandon Price
The CIA stuff spanned three arcs and tied into a 4th. Mother Russia, Man of Stone, and Valley Forge, Valley Forge, with a tie-in to Long Cold Dark.
Cameron King
I wasn't talking in the sense of premise being convoluted, more like how character is setup that's dumbed down. If you're too retarded to pick up on the implications of simplistic origin, I don't know what to tell you other than enjoy this shitty show.
Thomas Diaz
forbes said it was the best thing marvel tv has ever done
I'm torn, he's definitely the best physical representation, but Jane's portrayal in the game and how well he did some of Ennis' best lines really sold him to me.
> Cast - Jon Bernthal, Ebon Moss-Bachrach, Ben Barnes, Deborah Ann Woll, Amber Rose Revah Rating - 4/5
> Joss Whedon, godfather of the geeks, hates the Punisher. And his hate isn’t just a cutesy oh-I-don’t-believe-in-guns-and-murder hate; it’s a rather extreme if-I-were-in-charge-I’d-kill-the-Punisher kind of hate.
> Years ago, he called the Marvel antihero a ‘coward’ – the Punisher, you see, has a controversial affinity for firearms (and using said firearms to lethal effect). And Whedon – who has since earned the unique distinction of having directed both Marvel’s Avengers and (partially) DC’s Justice League – wasn’t done there. If you felt that he was being a tad unreasonable – we are, after all, talking about a comic book character here – and questioned him, then you were nothing but a fascist.
> Well, if you’re the betting type, here’s a safe one for you: Joss Whedon isn’t going to like the new Netflix Punisher series.
this is a bigger positive review for me than anything, hyped as fuck now
Christian Campbell
Frankfags vs Not Character fags basically.
Frankfags who post "Frank le frank, frankd frank franking frank xD" will love it like S2 of Daredevil.
Charles Jackson
>episodic storytelling >in the age of digital streaming It was never going to happen user. These shows are made for binge watching.
Zachary Parker
Frank and Karen were the only good parts of S2.
The Blacksmith resolution was retarded, but Karen exploring her issues having taken a life in S1 through the prism of someone as disturbed as Frank and forming an intentionally uncomfortable, disturbing friendship with him was an actual dramatic idea instead of MUH CITY or fucking Hand lore nobody cared about.
Kayden Gomez
There's only one way to know if it is good or bad. And that is to watch the show. Reviews, whether they are good or bad aren't going to replace actually watching the show.
Luis White
I liked Killgrave alot too
Ryan Anderson
>I’d be willing to wager no one – not even the most ardent Punisher fan – would have expected this show to tackle themes like PTSD, homegrown terrorism, war veterans and gun control. But it does – and it does it with remarkable bravery and insight. There’s no way of knowing just how mass shootings, a uniquely American problem, will translate here – I remember seeing AK-47s being sold on J&K footpaths like wholesale vegetables – but at least we could try. Fuck, I thought this show was gonna be /k/ incarnate. Please tell me this show isn't spreading liberal propaganda.
Justin Perez
How is the reviewer talking about Joss Whedon?
Carter Stewart
>I’d be willing to wager no one – not even the most ardent Punisher fan – would have expected this show to tackle themes like PTSD, homegrown terrorism, war veterans I can only assume whoever wrote this is legitimately retarded.
Charles Perry
I thought he was pure trash.
Jace Gutierrez
Whedon famously called the Punisher a fascist and said he'd destroy the character if he could
Camden Green
Punisher must really crust his lip.
Evan Wilson
it is going to be /k/ incarnate. just because they tackle the issues doesn't mean they'll be against them
there is no doubt that frank will be pro-gun, i mean c'mon
> not only does Frank Castle – that’s the Punisher’s alter ego – make use of a disgustingly huge arsenal of guns (mostly to kill, and sometimes to maim), but he does it in what is – and I do not exaggerate when I say this – a jaw-droppingly violent television programme.
Logan Russell
>I never though The Force Awakens would have a lightsaber in it!
Asher Powell
>tfw if I were to write comics for Marvel I would slaughter villains I dislike en masse so as retarded Whedon is I can't say anything about him without being a hypocrite
Jaxon Evans
whedon is just an idiot for not "getting" frank. he never will. he's that type B personality. he can't into military, he doesn't get cap either
Samuel Gomez
>Karen >good
Ryan Miller
Punisher > Captain America. I dont think its that either though. I hate Captain America, believe he is a boring character matter of fact.
Noah Gray
It's funny. The show treated Hannibal like some horrible force of nature rather than a human being. I thought that would be a perfect approach for Frank, except you'd have to replace FBI agents and normal people being disguster by/scared shitless of him with criminals being like that instead.
Luke Wood
disgusted*
Ethan Powell
>I’d be willing to wager no one – not even the most ardent Punisher fan – would have expected this show to tackle themes like PTSD, homegrown terrorism, war veterans and gun control. u fokkin wot m8
Just more proof that Whedon is an intolerable faggot, as if we needed any more.
Joseph Nguyen
>worse and worse Maybe it was never all that good, but reviewers were just riding the Marvel dick.
Jason Green
Is anyone surprised? The trailer genuinely looked awful. Maybe its because Ike is now only doing tv stuff, but its all been downhill since S2 of Daredevil.
Zachary Butler
But user, everything Netflix cape shows do is totally revolutionary and have never been done well in the comics or any other forms of media!
Jeremiah Cox
Not liking Punisher is fine, he has a right to his own opinion but Whedon going out of his way to humiliate him in Runaways felt like a petty waste of time. Not to mention a bit hypocritical for someone who made Firefly, in which the heroes were also a gun-toting outlaws.
Zachary Price
He even failed at humiliating him. Taking a punch from a super and still being able to stand is pretty tough.
Jonathan Johnson
No, the only good parts of S2 were when Frank and Matt were together on-screen.Which was sadly only the first half of the season. Frank is a great foil to Matt and Matt's struggles to reconcile him and his actions, and his own feelings on both, was pretty compelling.
Karen just dragged down Frank's storyline.
Henry Moore
>critics are divided >the only critics to cast negative light are anti-gun white-male-are-the-devil types I'm still gonna binge it, and give it all a rewatch.
Aaron Green
I supported it in theaters, even bought the DVD. It's still a fucking horrible movie.
It's heart breaking because it COULD have been so much more.
Jose Hill
>Stevenson punisher was the best punisher. A Punisher who accidentally kills a cop is not muh Frank.
Mason Morales
> marveldrones saying that punisher will kill Justice League opening weekend > this reviews > equal or worse than iron fist