It's definitely Jeff Lemire. Prove me wrong.
>Animal Man
>Sweet Tooth
>Black Hammer
>Trillium
>Essex County
>Descender
>Royal City
This guy is a good comic machine
It's definitely Jeff Lemire. Prove me wrong.
>Animal Man
>Sweet Tooth
>Black Hammer
>Trillium
>Essex County
>Descender
>Royal City
This guy is a good comic machine
My vote goes to Hickman
>inb4 WAAAAH HIS AVENGERS SUCKS!!!
It's great and so is Secret Wars, East of West, Manhattan Projects and Black Monday Murders
>liking nu-Secret Wars
>Justice League United
>Extraordinary X-men
>Teen Titans Earth One
>Futures End, depending on your viewpoint (I liked BestWatch)
Black Monday Murders is the best title of Image.
Black Hammer fucking sucks. So tired of these pretentious "superhero" comics where the superheroes do everything but be actual superheroes.
Sweeth Tooth was a disappointment. Is Essex County any better?
ONE WAS LIFE AND ONE WAS DEATH EVERYTHING DIES ALL HOPE LIES IN DOOM ONE WAS LIFE AND ONE WAS DEATH EVERYTHING DIES
Also, even if his Avengers run wasn't perfect, his F4 pretty much was. East of West, MP, and BMM are all fantastic. Nightly News is great. Pax Romana is great. Even Secret was pretty decent, and it got fucked but Bodenheim.
Trillium was fucking muck. 12 issues of build-up to absolutely nothing.
Also Lemire should stick to the writing and give up the art altogether, he's fucking awful.
brainlet detected.
Matt Kindt. Another writer/artist powerhouse that imo is even better than Lemiere, who I really like.
>Mind MGMT
>Super Spy
>3 Stories
>Revolver
>MK: Spider-man
I've never read anything by him I didn't love. Apparently his Valiant work is great too, but I haven't read it yet.
>Also Lemire should stick to the writing and give up the art altogether, he's fucking awful.
>being this fucking retarded
Lemire has had stickers, but his highs are very high
stick to your capeshit
I can understand not liking his artwork but he doesn't suck
Lemire is literally only good as a cartoonist. Any time someone else is drawing his scripts it's bad.
Also he should just stick to the Essex County and Royal City stuff. Genre comics are shit.
His Moon Knight run was dogshit.
>Black Hammer
>pretentious
You have to be an actual brainlet to think this. Did you want another boom-boom action story?
It was 8 issues
don't see a lot of Matt Kindt love on here. Check out X-O Manowar. The Giorello issues are really good stuff
Legitimately a great graphic novel
The concept is sound but let down by his inability to draw anything other than skinny white men facing toward the camera looking mopey. He can't design for shit, and isn't even bothered to reference the most basic elements.
Everything is super flat and lacks volume or depth, because his inking is noodle-y as fuck. Inkwashes only serve to highlight his inabilities
He's one of those guys who skipped fundies and went straight to breaking rules he didn't even know in the first place.
Well it was such a drag it felt like 12
Only his Fantastic Four stuff was good. His Image stuff is alright.
>implying Black Hammer is bad
>Implying Animal Man is bad
Mind MGMT is great but Revolver and Super Spy just okay. Other than that he does a ton of medicare Valiant crap and shitty big two comics.
Man, I've got to give you credit for actually saying exactly what you dislike about it, even though I disagree. Most art criticism on Sup Forums is "waaahhhh it looks ugly," so I appreciate that.
I'll definitely agree that his characters tend to look similar. But overall, it's the aesthetic he creates that I like so much, rather than the art itself. The colors area always outstanding, and his paneling and storytelling are great in my opinion. That counts a lot more for me than art fundamentals.
>waaahhhh it looks ugly
is basically what he said though
why is he so invested in valiant anyway
Dept H and Grass Kings are also really good
I'm an artist myself so it would be remiss of me to be that basic.
I can understand the appeal of his style, I think that's where my biggest problem lies - he has an interesting aesthetic, but doesn't have the abilities to really sell it. I wouldn't be nearly as critical of him if he'd actually improved in any form over the years, but he's still drawing the exact same way since Essex County and it just comes off as pure laziness.
Most comic artists improve by sheer nature of the volume of work they put out, but Lemire seems to be an exception, probably because he doesn't push himself enough and isn't challenged on the quality of his work.
Ether with David Rubin was really good and because Rubin is some sort of inhuman drawing machine volume 2 is on the way
Providence came out this year (or rather, ended this year), so Alan Moore is still out there.
>Rubin is some sort of inhuman drawing machine
This is really crazy since he's supposed to be the new artist for rumble, unless that's going to rotate.
Yeah, Mind MGMT is definitely the best of the bunch; I honestly think it's one of the best ongoing comics of the decade. Shame that literally no one has read it.
I thought Super Spy was fantastic though, but I agree that Revolver fell a little flat. 3 Stories is probably my favorite of his non-MGMT work though.
I think he just really likes doing Valiant, that's all I can guess. Capeshit is an easy paycheck as a writer since he can only do so many full cartoonist projects at once, and I bet he has a lot more freedom at Valiant than he would at Marvel or DC.
Hadn't heard of that - I'll have to check it out thanks.
he explained why he thought it was ugly though
Everything I've been lead to believe says that he's just going to be drawing both. Ether did take a long break between arcs so maybe just pulling double duty for 5 issues won't break him.
And that Black hammer mini.
Have you read Dept. H yet? The concept had me interested, but like Mind MGMT it's only in hardcovers so I didn't want to take the plunge, pun intended.
He is one of the best for sure. I can't think of someone I'd point to as the best writer in comics today. Even the best of the best are like a 7/10, basically everybody who is good now was better 5-10 years ago. I think it might be Brubaker for me, even though I think his best writing is past him, he can still write an amazing comic sometimes like The Fade Out. Would also throw Seeley's name out there even though he is best at writing scenes, small interactions and moments, and his long-term plans are always kind of dumb and never work out. Donny Cates and Joshua Williamson are newer guys, two pretty good elevator-pitch writers in the vein of Remender who have great and interesting ideas and decent enough writing ability to sustain interest past the initial hook.
Hickman is good at what he does, I don't think he really writes good dialogue or characters though. His stories are just a lot of good worldbuilding and cool stuff that happens but without the emotional core you get from better characters. He is not one of my favorites but he is definitely unique and talented and I always give his stuff a look.
It's pretty lame.
Nah I haven't, for the same reason. I haven't even bought Mind MGMT yet, because a friend let me borrow his for a while and I haven't felt like buying 6 hardcovers yet, even though it's one of my favorite series.
I've got Dept H on my list to get eventually, but I've got a HUGE backlog of trades I've already bought that I haven't read yet.
>this far into the thread and no Tom King mention
Well, let's get the cat out of the bag shall we? Sup Forums has kind of turned on him but Vision is one of the greatest offerings the medium has.
That's too bad, I like stories set in a tightly confined setting so a murder mystery in a deep sea research station seemed like a hit.
Same and coming off of Mind MGMT I was so ready... but it's really bleh.
Big two doesn't matter when discussing someone's body of work, it's all phoned in for a paycheck and doesn't represent their best efforts. Only the stuff they created matters.
Maybe I'll get around to trying MGMT, I'm just really not into spy fiction
I don't even know if it's fair to say phoned in when for some people it's just the most stable pay comes from a genre they might not be suited for. I mean I really enjoy Cullen Bunn's horror comics like Harrow County or The Unsound, but meh to every superhero comic he's written.
Then he shouldn't have fucking wrote it then. If you have no intention of putting even an modicum of effort into your writing even if it's for a paycheck you're a fucking shit writer. Ethier respect your craft or don't.
I was disappointed in Plutona because nobody groped her while she was unconscious
I love his new MM run desu
He can work in some instance. I liked the way it worked for the digital first story he did on Adventures of Superman. However, it doesn't always work in genre books the way it can work in something like Sweet Tooth and as someone with a BFA who worked on Art Direction and print production, I'd agree with user's assessment's on technique, particularly that Lemire breaks rules he doesn't seem to understand in the first place
>MUH CRAFT
It's a paycheck user.
Priest. Remender. Hickman.
King is a meme
A paycheck is earned. Quit trying to excuse a man's laziness.
"determine"?
OP, we're not normies who thinks everyone has their own taste and different opinions. We already did it 35 minutes ago.
>Vision is one of the greatest offerings the medium has.
Really my dude? Have you read that little?
Quit trying to to look for high art in cape comics. They wrote a comic, they earned their paycheck.
>Sup Forums knowing anything about good comics
>Sup Forums reading anything outside of Marvel DC and Image.
Pick ZERO.
Isn't that the old Hollywood standard, you do bland crap that always sells to fund your personal projects?
For a lot of artists like Darrow that's just doing a ton of covers.
>Expecting effort =/= "looking for high art"
He should stick to his own shit if he thinks they're the only thing worth his effort
Lemire is an example of someone whose cape writing usually feels like he'd rather be writing something not capes.
I know he is a big fan though. He definitely fits well with DC's horror stuff and I still think his Green Arrow was the best GA run of the post 2000's.
Lemire, Soule, Bunn, Aaron and Snyder are the guys that first come to mind when I think of people whose cape stuff tends to be mediocre but whose non capes are much better.
Marvel didn't pay him for his effort or his writing, they paid him for his name to use on the cover and that's what they got. If they thought his work didn't satisfy their needs they would have sacked him or asked for rewrites but apparently he gave them what they wanted.
Michael Bay must have had some really massive magnum opus in the works for the past 20 years or so.
What in the fuck is your logic here? So because a company is satisfied with your writing/name brand that means it's fine to half ass it?
Have you never had a job just to pay the bills? That's EXACTLY what it means.
That's exactly what George Clooney has said.
>I'm trying to make movies in my life, and particularly in the position I'm in, that last longer than opening weekend. That's it, that's my whole goal. I don't have to make money, I do films for scale and then you know, I go do coffee commercials overseas and I make a lot of money doing those, so I get to live in a nice house.
It's not like he puts any real thought or effort into his fucking Nespresso commercials, and I wouldn't expect him to.
This isn't a 9 to 5. This is a creative work with YOUR name on it. And why in the fuck are you going to be half assing a job that you're using to support yourself?
>why in the fuck are you going to be half assing a job that you're using to support yourself?
Because the Big 2 push brand recognition over name recognition?
>This isn't a 9 to 5. This is a creative work with YOUR name on it.
And? Do you know how many actors are in shit movies and TV shows just because of the paycheck?
> And why in the fuck are you going to be half assing a job that you're using to support yourself?
Because it's easier than whole assing it.
This, if you exclude his Batman his bibliography is perfection
BTW has anyone read his Novel, A Once Crowded Sky? I was wondering if it's worth checking out
These are the thinking man's comic book writers
>Because the Big 2 push brand recognition over name recognition?
So that's an excuse to be a dumb fuck, not apply yourself and lose the job you needed?
>And? Do you know how many actors are in shit movies and TV shows just because of the paycheck?
Too fucking many and that sure as shit isn't an attitude or situation anyone should be wanting to share.
KEK
>he thinks creatives don't phone it in for a paycheck
I've read a lot of stuff.
Maybe they are applying themselves but they're just not suited to that writing style
>Memender
>thinking man
toppest of lels
>lose the job
Do you see the writers who have skated by for years, in some cases decades? There are people who have built careers on meeting deadlines and being well liked. It seems pretty fucking clear that quality is a low priority at some companies. Why bother to impress people who would buy the same comic regardless of who is writing/drawing it? Just be happy you got an A list character and collect the money while you work on a side project you actually care about.
I didn't say that at all. Reread my post again.
Then that's perfectly acceptable. I'm perfectly fine with a writer taking a stab at something outside of what they normally do and ending up with something underwhelming.
In the 40's other writers used to even make fun of Bill Finger for putting so much effort into every story he wrote
At least is not Fraction. Or Hopeless.
It’s called doing enough to get by, and it’s what most people do. They’re not going to expend full effort on capeshit, because it’s unnecessary. They can keep their job while doing less, meaning they can devote more time to the projects they truly care about.
Call it selling out if you want, but there’s nothing wrong with doing a job for an easy paycheck.
In the 40's, at least according to Eisner, the majority of people in comics were ashamed to be in the field. They all dreamed of making it into commercial illustration or getting a news strip like Prince Valiant.
user you're not giving an argument. You're trying to give me a shit justification that because other people do it, that it somehow makes it acceptable.
You seem to expect people to live as starving artist's for the sake of your own entertainment. If you've got to make crap to make a living then by all means make crap, as long as you do something worthwhile on the side.
Frank Quitely nearly lost his house while working on All Star Superman. He'll probably make more money off the Netflix deal with Millarworld and Jupiter's Legacy than he has with all his projects with Grant combined.
>but there’s nothing wrong with doing a job for an easy paycheck.
There is if you didn't put enough effort even for an "easy" paycheck.
>You seem to expect people to live as starving artist's for the sake of your own entertainment.
I expect them to make work they can have pride in or at least say they tried their best at it. You can have a shit job that you don't have any attachment to besides money and still put the work in.
If the employer thinks it’s enough, that’s all that matters when it comes to earning a paycheck.
You can, sure. But why do it if you don’t have to?
>If the employer thinks it’s enough, that’s all that matters when it comes to earning a paycheck.
Bullshit. Are you saying you'll take money that you don't think you've earned?
>You can, sure. But why do it if you don’t have to?
Integrity. And because of the gratification you get from doing a good job.
If I did the work I was hired to do, fuck yeah I’ll take the money. Why the hell wouldn’t I?
I’m genuinely curious if you’ve ever had a shit retail or food industry job. You can try as hard as you want, but you learn really quickly that the people who do just enough to get by are taking home the same checks as you are.
>gratification
The gratification comes from the pet projects they’re funding with Big 2 work. They’re not writing capeshit to express themselves artistically; they’re doing it because THE PAYCHECK gives them gratification.
Good for you if you can afford to only take jobs that you truly love doing. Most people can’t.
>If I did the work I was hired to do, fuck yeah I’ll take the money. Why the hell wouldn’t I?
Even if you did shit work and knew it?
>I’m genuinely curious if you’ve ever had a shit retail or food industry job. You can try as hard as you want, but you learn really quickly that the people who do just enough to get by are taking home the same checks as you are.
I have and just because some fuckhead coworker isn't pulling their own weight doesn't mean I should be a waste of space also.
>The gratification comes from the pet projects they’re funding with Big 2 work. They’re not writing capeshit to express themselves artistically; they’re doing it because THE PAYCHECK gives them gratification.
Which without the fucking paycheck it wouldn't be possible to do their passion project. And the paycheck should be gratifying if you put in the work. Otherwise it's unearned
>Good for you if you can afford to only take jobs that you truly love doing. Most people can't.
Never said anything of the sort my dude.
>counting phoned-in Big 2 work
Bought trillium on a whim because the cover looked cool. Shit was boring af and the only resolution is love lmao
Hes great when he knows how many issues he has. His minis/big stories are good, but his batman ongoing is trash
>no mention of BKV
Can anyone tell me if Paper Girls is actually good
>Who the fuck is Morrison?
>implying Wonder Woman: Earth One wasn't phoned in
I love Sheriff of Babylon.
He's like Ewing, he prefers the more obscure characters to S-Listers like Batman, Spider-Man, or Superman.