More like CalFARTS!

More like CalFARTS!

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>used to think I was going to go to CalArts
>saved up
>now am going to Visual Communications bachelor for free in Norway
>teaches me basically all the same crap
haha cheated the system fucking cucks

Literally the one (1) benefit of calarts or that NY art school is making industry connections and internships.

Lot easier to get your foot in the door of a company you've already worked with.

try getting hired by any major animation company

I just want to make cartoons andget into the industry, and anyone can get noticed by making good YouTube animations because everyone eats those up

>Went to the second most expensive school for animation in NY
>Struggle to find work in California because I all my connections are in NY

Boy, I would love some of those magical California connections.

Is calarts the only way to get into the industry?

Everyone bitching about calarts, whilst SCAD gets a free pass? I honestly like both schools, I also understand the complaints of the people of Sup Forums, but let's be real. Internships for Cartoon Network would logically be at SCAD, due to location. It's studio is in Georgia, right?

It's the easiest way because if you're a solid and social enough storyteller, it's nearly guaranteed. You don't even need to be a good artist, you just need to be able to tell funny stories. Hirsch and Quintel got by on their humor more than their actual drawing skills.

And when I say "easiest", I mean you can start a webcomic or webseries or draw every single day and post online, but there is still no guarantee you'll land work and it might be 5+ years before you finally get noticed.

If you go to CalArts and you tell good stories + stay good with your teachers, you pretty much have a job locked down in 4 years when you graduate. Shit, you might have an internship locked down in your Sophomore/Junior year. You pretty much know the timeline and outcome of your future if you attend CalArts. Not the same if you try to self-publish a comic.

I mean that’s the only reason I wanted to go but it’s so fucking expensive
Isn’t there any other way?

Even people go to calarts don't always get into the industry, so what does that tell you?

Sheridan

NO! There are many other options! The people here are just upset. Calarts has a lot to offer, but there are many other options! Many great schools in America offer damn near as much! KCAI, SCAD, RISD, Ringling, and SAIC! There's also great ways to get there WITHOUT school! Effort and persistence are key! BUT BE SURE TO MAKE CONTACTS TOO!

I graduated from CalArts, ask me anything.

Is the calarts meme the new version of that cartoon network ad in the movie theater with the adventure time characters being compared to the old ad with everything including 60's Hannah barbera characters?

Can we see some snip bits of your portfolio?

Are you that guy from the bill hunt? Because honestly I think your work is ugly, no offense. Have you improved at all?

Well I mean I’m a pretty friendly person and I make a lot of friends online, so that’s helpful, but I’m not really sure what ways to make big connections , you know?

Why can't you use construction and play catch up to Studio Mir.

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BASED Mungposter

>Implying Mir isn't just as mediocre

What's with the recent obsession for Mir Famicom?

>be me
>want to be animator
>don't have time to study drawing
>draw like shit
>reached age 25
>still my biggest dream to animate
>i gave up
feels batman, i wished i had the chance to go to CALFarts

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I see the pun, but that made me raise a question on what does a cow fart sounds like.

Famicom hates Mir but awhile back John K said that we should be catching up to them.

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As a Cal Arts student, I can assure you that calarts isn't even bad. I don't even get this meme on how it "destroyed" western animation.

It's jealousy

CN Studios is in Burbank, Turner is based in Atlanta though.

Hey man point fingers at John K, as he (in)famously coined the term to describe a "Fake Disney" style used in a lot of animated features in the 70's, 80's and 90's. He made a lot of autistic blog posts on the subject:
johnkstuff.blogspot.com/search/label/Cal Arts

Sup Forums just happened to take that term and, for some reason, started applying it to the style used in most post-AT CN shows, even if at least half of the creators were never even taught at CalArts. Pettiness that lead to even more pettiness, I know.

Alright, I don't even know why I left "CN" in there considering they even used it for shows like Gravity Falls and Star sometimes.

You get the point though.

>Its Sup Forums being in a fucking crisis thread

Half of the animators and comic artists from the 90s were self-taught, and if you pick cases like Jim Lee and Bruce Timm they got into acceptable level at 18-21 yrs old.

Calarts isn't a bad school, its good.
But if you think your entire level depends on it, fuck off.
Even Monty Oum with his considerably aged Dead Fantasy and Haloid videos got a job for a John Woo video game.

No, the Jew is a harsh mistress but also tender if you can make profits for him.

There's an event called CTN Expo. Great way to meet up with people in the industry and show them your portfolio.

more like calarse

>going to school to learn art

you dun goofed

calarts is just a toll road into the industry

make friends with people who go to calarts

I was accepted to SCAD, and my best friend actually ended up going, graduated with Film and Photography. She works in self-driving cars.

I can't say I know of anyone who went to SCAD who's "in the industry", but I've been wondering if I could get a job at a canadian studio if I went to a school in canada.

You can always go to VanArts

It's still immensely competitive since everyone else is going there to do the same and costs hundreds of dollars just to attend in hopes that someone will look at your portfolio, and even then, they state there are no guaranteed spots that someone will look at it even if you buy an admission ticket specifically for that.

That's usually how it works. Although due to various tax credits and incentives, most studios are going to prefer hiring Canadians citizens unless you have PR status.
If you're serious about going to school in Canada, look into Sheridan or Capilano.

Thanks Anons, I will do. Can't help but wonder if I'm too old and washed up to do schooling too. I bombed school my first go, I'm 27. Never stopped drawing, though.

honestly, if you just make stuff and put it online while reaching out to people in the industry, you have a GREAT chance at getting your foot in the door.

the older generation in animation is almost entirely out the door and the younger ones are all about giving people opportunities since they were in the same positions not too long ago. do good work and make those connections and the rest comes in time.

do porn in the meantime or something

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I remember looking at a Gobelins application and the age limit was 27 which would be my age in September. Felt like an old hag haha, but fuck it, I'm 37 now and should have tried it. Not with the expenses of north-american schools, even the connections are not worth that money, how many years should you work in animation to pay those student loans? I mean, animation salaries are not big anywere in the world. Maybe in California, but then, you have to pay the cost of living of California

I bombed as well, got my GED a year later and now im considering going to Sheridan, VanArts or MUN next year, I’m 22 but I don’t think 28 is too old.

>art school

This is what turned me off towards big art school like cal arts. I'm sure the experience would be nice but the thought of being debt while paying rent in california turned me off. Too bad the creativity industry is so concentrated in cali. I'm just going to continue doing what I'm doing.

the creative industry is all about who you know but Cal arts is a good place to make connections. but who wants to live in a shit hole like LA?

Good luck getting a film made in your hick state.

Is it even possible to make a following online and live off that? Or at least make enough of a following to get into the industry?

>even calarts students hate calarts

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It's possible, but rare. You have to bust your ass, market yourself and be lucky.

I go to a general top 40 uni that's ten minutes from my house studying general film production, film studies, and business management.

I feel like I'm technically only a little less equipped than Calarts and theoretically (as in understanding meanings and media history) probably moreso. Trying to get a Nick internship this summer. Met a guy who got into it last summer. Meeting some people at a conference in Miami in a few months.

>Fucks like Alex Hirsch and Pendleton Ward
>"solid storytellers"
lol keep drinking the establishment koolaid.

"Solid storytellers" enough to land work and get a show.

You don't need to be objectively the best, you just need to be better than your competition. And skill level in TV animation is super low.

>many [teachers] who were blatantly racist and transphobic with no repercussions
wtf is calarts /ourschool/?

>Be me in 2004
>Going to College of the Canyons
>Know some cool girls who are roomies at CalArts
>Get invited to the CalArts Halloween party.
>It's wild af. Naked people, huge tables full of food and candy and drinks.
>Spend all night getting my dick grinded on by some half naked liberal arts slut.

10/10, would party there again.

>And skill level in TV animation is super low.
Because executives like John Lassetter and Christina Miller don't want anyone who doesn't go to their preapproved little bitchfarm.

You won't care or notice because it's the new scapegoat for why animation is bad now, but calarts isn't the problem: it's lazy students.

This place makes its tuition bucks by promising that if you go there, it can get you connections in animation and assure you a job once you graduate. So rich parents send their shitty kids there if they want to do animation.

And maybe those kids can't draw.

You know why the "calarts style" is all noodly limbs and bean-shaped faces? Those are really easy to draw! Go try to draw someone from your favorite "calarts show," I bet you'll do pretty good even if you're an autist that can barely hold a pencil right!

They don't teach you art, they teach you animation. How to make your stupid noodly-armed shitty characters move. If you can't draw, or you can't tell jokes, or whatever, but you complete the classes, they're kind of obligated (see above) to send you to CN or Nick or whatever to keep their reputation.

So I don't know how to fix this. Encourage kids to learn to draw and not just say they want to animate then derp off to animating school with their sonichu-tier art skills? I guess?

>If you go to CalArts and you tell good stories + stay good with your teachers, you pretty much have a job locked down in 4 years when you graduate.
Then why do most modern cartoons have shit writing and storytelling?

>Then why do most modern cartoons have shit writing and storytelling?
Because you're only referring to TV shows that you hate. There are other animation jobs besides TV storyboard artist. Like say, the hundreds of employees who work across various movie studios and independent works.

Which is funny considering most of the actual animation is done by koreans for most cartoons.

Norway girl here, anyone here going into this type of thing themselves wanna just chat or something? I always like meeting new story tellers and listening to their ideas and creations. Plus it’s nice having people doing something similar to you and hearing their experiences.
That’s really freaking cool man, good luck. I heard film is hard to get into but you’re following your passion so that’s just, I dunno it’s inspiring.

>Not FAILarts
You had one job OP

>So I don't know how to fix this. Encourage kids to learn to draw and not just say they want to animate then derp off to animating school with their sonichu-tier art skills? I guess?
I didn't apply to Calarts because I knew I wasn't good enough to get in. I'm still probably not, because it seems like the admissions process cares about "sketchbook" stuff while the program itself wants "idea people." Funnily it seems like "idea people" translates to unfunny anime beep boop video game shit.

>girl

There are other animation jobs besides "animator", like board artist, board revisioner, character designer, prop designer, background artist, background color artist, color script artist...

Also I specifically said movies, unless you're implying that studios like Disney and Blue Sky don't do their CG animation in-house?

>he isn't going to art school
>but he isn't making an animated short to compete with the people who basically just paid for free time to make an animated short to put on their portfolio

you probably would've gotten more genuine responses if you'd omitted you're a girl, cause now people are just gonna think you want to get laid.

Hell, I would've been interested since I just lost a bunch of friends and am collaborating with people to make animated shorts and webcomics and stuff and like talking to people about creative shit.

>I heard film is hard to get into but you’re following your passion so that’s just, I dunno it’s inspiring.
I wouldn't say it's "hard" in that there's no way to get into any part of the entertainment industry; I'm not worried about that as much as a lot of the curriculum is skills for stuff like setting up the camera for news stations. Not knocking that though, I mean I guess it's a safety net.

As the semester winds down I'm focusing more on my inevitable Nick application. The real fun thing is I'm using their optional portfolio space to show myself with a dropbox containing my idea for an animated movie, with an audioplay of one scene and a full animatic of the other. I'm getting friends to do the voices and everything.

I feel like I'm not putting as much work into grinding my art, but I just can't with time constraints and worrying about classes. I can find time for this shithole though so I guess that's no excuse.

>unless you're implying that studios like Disney and Blue Sky don't do their CG animation in-house?
I believe DisneyToon (Disney's official B-list studio for all of the direct-to-video sequels beneath actual WDAS) has its a lot of its models made at some place in India. If the mouse actually does buy Fox there's probably going to be a shift with a lot more grunt work coming from Blue Sky (not that talking animals: the studio was ever really that creatively ambitious in the first place).

>cause now people are just gonna think you want to get laid.
Oh fuck, I didn’t mean to make it sound like that I just wanted to be genuine. I’m asexual anyways so I really didn’t mean to make it sound like that. Sorry if I scared you off...
My dad got his masters in film and decided to have a family instead so I dunno, I just think actually doing anything with that is super cool. I really hope you get your movie user! That sounds like a dream. I hope it does amazing, maybe I’ll even end up making fanart of it one day. That’s just really cool. Don’t telk what it’s about, not on this place anyways, that’s bad luck, but I really wish I could see what your characters are all about.

I live in Vancouver so thats pretty easy.