I wanted a GOOD Punisher show, that's all I wanted but we got this turd instead, what happened???

I wanted a GOOD Punisher show, that's all I wanted but we got this turd instead, what happened???

I'm on episode 3, and I like it so far. jut as long as it doesnt shit itself like all of jj, all of iron fist, all of defenders, and the back half of dd s2 and cage

user...

>what happened???

You forgot how poorly reviewed previous live action adaptations of the Punisher were.

Just go rent Death Wish. Same idea, more Charles Bronson.

Netflix needs to shorten there seasons. I've been enjoying the show. But those NSA agents got boring. The chick is annoying.

how bad does the back half get?
the only thing I dislike is brown cop, even karen was ok

Netflix needs to shorten there seasons. I've been enjoying the show. But those NSA agents got boring. The chick is annoying.

So what's the reason you need a show when the comics exist?

Political Correctness

Also blame FBItch and PTSDouche

Ep 7 and its still fine

The big bad ess jay doublejew boogeymen happened.

So is this good or bad?
I don't wanna waste my time on 13 eps

This. Fuck your Sup Forums shit.

>TV shows
>Comics
I like both of those things.

TV makes comics a little more respectable.

not when they're worse than the comics. It just makes TV look bad.

Just started episode 9, haven't really been enjoying it. It feels like they wanted to do the revenge origin again, only this time as a spy thriller, and it just feels trite. The first episode shows they can show Frank franking franks no problem, but it's like were a cunt hair from realizing what makes Frank compelling and they swerved hard right into yet another spy thriller.

It's okay, but like so many of the Netflix Marvel shows the middle ~4-5 episodes just fucking drag on. They really need to shift away from the season long arcs and focus on a more episodic or mini-arc format. Little 1-2 episode stories. Punisher, especially, would have benefited greatly from that format - allowing it to do a sort of Punisher MAX approach with its stories.

pre-MAX Ennis Punisher was far more episodic than MAX

Problem with punisher is people always want to make him a good guy, when he's a bad guy who just happens to kill other bad guys

Daredevil season 1 was a mistake

You expected something good in the first place? What is wrong with you?

>were a cunt hair from realizing what makes Frank compelling and they swerved hard right
This. The best parts are frank and frank franking. Everything else is slow. Not bad per say, but fucking slow. I don't want to jump on the Sup Forums bandwagon but it feels like somebody was scared of making pure Frank and needed to sell frank with "a message."

it's more like they wanted to do their own origin story instead of just rolling into Frank franking franks, and they flubbed it.
Also the only "message" they were trying to sell was that the US shits on its veterans, while at the same time portraying a veteran suffering from PTSD as a crazed lunatic.

A man killing criminals shouldn't be lauded because all criminals are just the product of their environments and are absolved of any real guilt

I'm not even saying it's a bad message. I'm saying the people who can green light a series wouldn't green light a character study of a broken, brutal, unforgiving man. Either they're afraid it wouldn't sell or they're afraid it would and people would bitch.

well someone would, just not people who work for Disney

>Slavers arc done never
(Cowards)

You expected something good from Mousevel? It's been, what, a decade? You should know better by now.

they're constantly dancing around Frank being a bad man doing bad things, but they never stop for a minute and take a hard look at it. It's like they knew what they wanted to do, but checked themselves or were checked by someone higher up the food chain

Why do they keep cutting to those fucking government agent chucklefucks?
Why did they go full action Frank all the goddman time?
Why can't anyone understand what Frank is?

Focus on Frank.
No stupid fucking side character bullshit. If you're going to show us another PoV, stick to the PoV of the villains so we learn to hate them and cheer when they receive their due Frankings.
Give us some cold opens like that time Frank pretended to be a little girl to lure a child rapist to his death, or that one Max short where Frank kills a couple for making child porn tapes in their basement.
Every single fucking bit of information we need to be given can easily be confined to a war journal entry, narrated by Frank, while we watch him do some subtle Frank work, or just while Frank is walking and driving to the nearest Franking.

Man loves family.
Family killed by criminals.
Man has the skills to punish criminals.
Man kills criminals.
That man is named Frank Castle.
It's not fucking rocket science. You don't need anything more complicated than that.

On a scale from "not at all" to "Jeri Hogarth" how unbearable is FBI bitch people are talking about?

>Focus on Frank.
>No stupid fucking side character bullshit
Ennis focused on non-villain side characters all the time
The problem is the writing isn't nearly as compelling as any given Ennis story.

Shit, didn't mean to respond. Sorry, user.

I just watched this and I gotta say. A complete letdown:

-Way too fucking boring and slow

-Trying way too hard with making people feel sympathy for Frank

-Too much heart to heart talks about feelings, this literally killed it. If you're planning to watch this for pure action then you're going to be disappointed since it's 60% of the show

-FBI girl was irritating, like holy shit, I've never disliked a character like her in my life.

-WAAAAYYYYYYY too much attention on side character bullshit, this is about fucking FRANK

she's more boring than anything. It's like they were trying to pull an O'Brien but somehow missed what made O'Brien great

Very annoying but mostly boring

>-FBI girl was irritating, like holy shit, I've never disliked a character like her in my life.

jesus christ I'm glad I wasn't the only one. I was skipping each scene of that chick, what the hell were they thinking

Look on the bright side user, it's still better than Justice League

Fucking Boring.

Be prepared for a snorefest

Take the MCU cock outta your mouth and ass.

i'm on ep6 i like it so far. the gun fights are cool. i hope this doesn't mean that there's no pay off.

It wasn't at all what I wanted out of a Punisher adaptation, but at least it was coherently and competently put together and didn't look like a video game half the time

i'm in the middle of it and that ptsd kid is annoying as fuck he better go crazy and kill someone and get franked or else it's a waste of time.

well you're in luck. He's still annoying though

I haven't found any of the MCU shows to be good since daredevil season 1.

she has a sweet ass

i'm at the beginning of ep6 and she hasn't really done anything. well she wrecks her sweet ride.

Micro wrecks her sweet ride

>someone stole my bike...
>I must be happy that the thief is enjoying my bike more than I'm suffering its loss.
There is a word to describe your kind, but I don't like buzzwords.

pretty sure user was being facetious

true, i wouldn't take that shit on the field. that's asking for it to get bullets and crashes. i wrecked my mustang and it hurt so much, i still miss that fucking car, every day.

Yep

lol. well ask and you shall receive.

it's kind of dumb to waste time on him though.

>Way too fucking boring and slow
yep, pacing sucks
>Trying way too hard with making people feel sympathy for Frank
This is the big problem. The mouse doesn't want people to like "revenge fantasy" Frank so they end up changing Franks character to make him sympathetic or redeemable and in the process miss what's interesting about him.
>Too much heart to heart talks about feelings, this literally killed it. If you're planning to watch this for pure action then you're going to be disappointed since it's 60% of the show
I think 60/40 is about right. This show is 60% pointless shit (or worse, shit missing the point) and 40% Well made Frank.
>FBI girl was irritating, like holy shit, I've never disliked a character like her in my life.
Bitch needed to do more than piss and moan and ride dick. She made Karen look like a fucking top tier waifu by comparison.
>WAAAAYYYYYYY too much attention on side character bullshit, this is about fucking FRANK
You can give a Punisher story an interesting cast. Dixon and Ennis both did it regularly. The show did not.

It wouldn't be wasting time if the writing wasn't so fucking predictable and trite. But that's a problem with the entire show, not just the one character

i'm on ep6 and please this shit gets better.
all this crap si so fucking boring
>wanted to watch the punisher punishing
get
>muh military

it does not

or I guess I should say, it does get a little better, but it never feels like Punisher

We can't have fun, we need a message

t. Shill

Why can't we have both? Person of Interest managed even if the message was often as subtle as a ton of bricks but that was forgivable because the show was fun.

things Netflix's The Punisher is like, but worse
>Person of Interest
>Quantico (even has a discount Priyanka Chopra)
>24
>every other fucking spy thriller TV show ever aired
things Netflix's The Punisher is not like, but is still worse than
>The Punisher by Garth Ennis

>poorly reviewed
Or simply they suck.

Fuck subtle, no body can do subtle anymore. I'd take a ham fisted, heavy handed club over the head if it's interesting. But even that seems a step beyond capable.

Started off strong but just ended up in the middle with Frank dicking around. Only thing I can remember of value in the middle was the arab karen getting fucked.

that was hot

I think brown O'Brien's bandaged-up titties will be the one thing I remember from this series

>It's much better than Iron Fist, thank goodness, but it doesn't achieve the marrow-deep resonance in its messaging in a way that Jessica Jones does.

Top critics everyone.

I want Frank to break the 4th wall at the end of the series, so we can know what the message is!

well
they're not wrong

>the marrow-deep resonance in its messaging
Sauce pls? I need to tip this fedora to that critic.

The Punisher is a shit character

>It's much better than Iron Fist
fuck yes it is, that thing was un-watchable, i've never fast forwarded a marvel show, but that i had to.

it's not super action packed but it has enough to keep the story going.

Lets be frank (hueh), the reason Punisher isn't doing well is because the producers are frightened pussies who don't wanna do a show that "glorifies gun violence" in post Columbine America. I know the Vegas shooting was way too recent to affect the filming, but it's a continuous thing (what with shootings happening every fucking month and all).

Nobody wants to be the one to make a show that some fucktard lunatic cites as the reason they decided to shoot John Lenon, disregarding the fact that there is absolutely nothing in that shitty coming of age book that the guy who shot John Lennon read about guns and violence in the first place.

Frankly (teehee), a punisher show needs to be fucking brutal. You need to cheer for Frank, but also be somewhat horrified by him. Frank Castle is a dead soul in a living body. A fucking mess. He should be miserable, all the time. His whole shit is he cannot deal with the world with what happened to his family. So he kills people to cope. He kills people he thinks deserve it, and lots of time they do. It also needs to be lonely - Frank is isolated by nature and circumstance. He can have brief, fleeting moments of humanity, as when he used to associate with the dregs of humanity in his apartment building. But by in large, it needs to be Frank franking Franks, while fucking paint it black plays subdued in the background.

>dregs of humanity
how dare you, Spacker Dave was a pillar of the community

Frank should be a fucking monster whos family was the last thing holding his sanity together after he came back from war and was spat upon and reviled by the masses. (instead of praised as a hero like his ww2 father or something). They should die in the park after his wife finally drags him out of the house. They should die from some utterly random sensless act of violence that finally causes Frank to snap and wage war upon violence and crime itself. His family isn't assassinated by the government, it isn't a revenge hit by the mob. They were just in the wrong place at the wrong time. This means it isn't a revenge tale. Frank will probably never get the men who killed his family (and if he does, he probably wouldn't even realise it). It's not Kill Bill, he's fighting crime itself. Which is impossible and tragic. The story should focus on two cops/detectives trying to bring down The Punisher, who is Jason Voorhees with a gun. We never see him break down, he doesn't have a friendly cast of nagging moms, there's no heart to heart mind numbing drama. Naturally he does climb the ladder and start fighting organized crime, but theres no glorious satisfying revenge in anything he does. It should be 8 episodes, tightly plotted. Fucking succinct.

At least that's what I think.

>Frank doesn't even frank Lewis
well what the FUCK was the point

Critics' boner for Jessica Jones is really damn annoying.

Literally what was the point of the bomber plot? It took up the whole middle part of the season and didn't even lead to anything

because

The story can certainly start as a revenge story, but it needs to really be clear that killing those directly responsible for his family's deaths doesn't make him feel better or feel like he's gotten justice. Then he starts moving up the ladder, then he eventually starts targeting all crime.

The series tiptoed around this, but it never really took hold of it and stared it in the face. Maybe it was too bleak for Disney suits.

>Powers and Abilities

>Spacker Dave formerly had the ability to hang magnets from the jewelry in his face, indicating that they were made up of a ferrous metal other than stainless steel.

neat

I'm at episode 4 and this really feels like the writers just mushed Banshee and Quarry together.

I love both of those shows, but they're nothing alike. The ingredients aren't mixing so far.

>Maybe it was too bleak for Disney suits.
This has "Disney punked out" written all over it.

Soo am I right in saying that DD S2 handled Frank better?

yes

but they still fucked it up at the end so that's not saying much

and I wanted Frank to put on the skull before EPISODE GODDAMN ELEVEN but here I am

>E7
>the motherfucker didn't kill himself
>tfw i need to keep watching his shitty drama
>tfw Frank is not acting like Frank

>>the motherfucker didn't kill himself
wait a couple episodes

you got what you deserved

thanks!

don't thank me, it's super disappointing

Yeah, the shows need to be 8 episodes or less.

Reduce the fluff, tighten the narrative, build the character organically, and increase production flow. It would be a complete net positive, and I think it would have solved most of the problems with Jessica Jones (the last 3 episodes), Luke Cage (the entire back half), Iron Fist (the first half), Daredevil 2 (the middle section), and Defenders (everything after the chinese restaurant).

I've seen the first 4 episodes of Punisher, and there are definite high points (Frank and Micro's interactions, All the military bits, Karen being given some growth beyond Muh Matt, and Frank Franking the Frank out of people), it seems a bit bloated.

The Police Lady who's minority and strong and woman and great at everything without actually doing anything well is boring as hell and has no direction whatsoever. If she had a converging storyline that seemed like a completely different plot but merged with Frank's, that'd be cool, but she has absolutely nothing to do. She's just standing there with her thumb up her ass because she saw a video a couple years ago and nothing else happened.

I'm 99% sure that they only have the character so they can give a role to Shohreh Aghdashloo, who is the only redeeming factor of her character at all and only barely appears in the show.

Music choices are great, Frank is great, all his vet buddies are great, action is great, Micro is surprisingly good even though his actor is pretty much Lil Dicky, but half of every episode is spent on this one chick to fluff it to 13 episodes.

>Iron Fist (the first half)
that's generous
>Defenders (everything after the chinese restaurant).
that's VERY generous

Just read those rotten reviews (and then look up who wrote them):

>At a time when mass shootings, gun control debates, and domestic terrorism are all over the news, a show insightful and brave enough to critique our culture of violence might have had a real impact.The Punisher is not that show.
-Kelly Kanayama

>Netflix’s ‘Punisher’ lacks dark humor of Marvel comics
-Mark A. Perigard

>The gun-happy Marvel series has had a tumultuous trip to screens, after a New York Comic-Con panel was canceled and its release date was pushed back due to the mass shootings in Las Vegas last month. But there have been other mass shooting in the country since, including one at a church in Texas.

More: Jon Bernthal hopes Marvel's violent 'Punisher' opens dialogue on American gun control.
-Kelly Lawler

>A guy gets punched, then punched again, then punched again and again and again. The result: face soup. It’s soundtracked by a lot of wet noise and some primal, guttural grunting, a slow and deliberate mining of blood and teeth from a circle of bone and tissue. It’s visceral, nothing more so than the eyes of the man behind the fist.
-Allison Shoemaker

> A few minutes into The Punisher and you see why its release was delayed following the Oct 1 Las Vegas shooting.

Frank Castle (Jon Bernthal) - the cold-blooded vigilante known to New Yorkers as The Punisher - is methodically executing the gangsters who killed his wife and two children. And in a scene reminiscent of Las Vegas, he leans out of a building and takes a long-range shot at his target.
- Alison de Souza
The Straits Times (Singapore)

tl;dr Most rotten scores come from the following people: "Oh no the punisher is too violent"
"Oh no there are mass shootings in real life, you can't put out a show like this!"

And most of them are female.

now look at me, fucking up all the greentext.
Sorry.

t. Sup Forums

Shut up, Rousseau.

Do women even like The Punisher?

>>Netflix’s ‘Punisher’ lacks dark humor of Marvel comics
this is both 100% true and 100% a valid complaint. Good job, Mark

not to be a meme-loving fuck, but he's just one of those characters that women don't "get"