Make Steppenwolf the villain over other more worthy New Gods

>make Steppenwolf the villain over other more worthy New Gods
Seriously, they didn't have the balls to make Granny Goodness the movie's villain?
>but she's an old lady! Audiences wouldn't take her seriously
And guess what, people didn't take Steppenwolf seriously.

You expect Whedon to write a movie where the heroes have to beat up a woman?

JL never wanted to be taken seriously.
All it asked was that you forget all the awful shit Batman and Superman had done in two movies, and to forget the character development in Wonder Woman's film so they could pretend Superman was the better hero.

You can't seriously believe a movie with THAT Barry Allen wanted to be anything but a wacky fun ride.

So why not make it a wacky fun ride where they fight Granny Goodness, Desaad, and Kalibak, instead of a New God nobody cares about?

He beat the fuck out of Diana's character arc, and humiliated Lois as a whimpering, pathetic weakling.

Had Whedon been given 250 million for a JL movie you would have no doubt gotten something like that.
But they gave all that cash to Zack, and the rest is history.

But was making Superman "likable" but overpowered to erasing any sort of tension also Whedon?

Whedon wasted a shit ton of money on the movie already. Surely he could have used some of that to get Helen Mirren or some other old actress and put her in a silly looking suit.

Superman was the better hero because Wonder Woman fucked off for 100 years. Batman actually says this to her in the film

>never wanted to be taken seriously.
Oh, the Snyder cut more than likely did, with the white supremacist shit and more emo Cyborg stuff.

The Fourth World stuff in Justice League was so distant from the source material that it was unrecognizable. The only thing they got somewhat right were the Parademons.
>motherboxes are literally allsparks instead of space smartphones
>Steppenwolf is an ayy lmao with a ballsack chin
>the new gods come off as punk ass bitches thanks to Steppenwolf

Imagine DCEU Mister Miracle having to lug around a big ass cube if he wants to boom tube somewhere

He didn't waste nearly as much as Snyder did on 3 movies and he still couldn't get it right.

Yes actually. I mean that could have been easily avoided by having Steppenwolf on par with Superman, Cyborg and separating the mother boxes, flash saving civilians and Aquaman, Wondy and Batman holding back the Parademon horde

There's only so much the reshoots could do. Specially on FX heavy shots like the climax. They obviously had to keep Superman's scenes with Steppenwolf short to make it on time and budget.

because then they'd have to introduce Mr. Miracle and Big Barda and that's two more expensive actors to pay

You wouldn't have to do that. Just introduce Granny, get some actors who are cheap but know how to do their own stunts as the Female Furies, and have them be the villains all the Amazons and Atlanteans fear. Then you could have Barda and Miracle show up in a sequel.

They wanted a throw away New God, so personally I feel Steppenwolf was the best beat. Who gives a fuck about Steppenwolf after all?

Granny Goodness, Desaad, Kalibak, and other are somewhat interesting and wouldn't work well in that context, as it's better to save them for a New Gods movie.

Also, my friend who isn't a major comicbook fan actually liked Steppenwolf and preferred him over Hela.

I only want her in a movie if she's played by Ed Asner.

Using her without using them begs the question why you wouldn't use them. They're very tightly intertwined characters.

Snyder wrote it, Whedon tried to salvage it.

>Whedon tried to salvage it.

You mean butcher? He fucking cut out Snyder's good fight scenes so add another few quips?!

>Snyder
>Good fight scenes
You had me there for a moment.

only if its Ed Asner in drag

Do I need to post some Avengers Thor vs Loki shit? Honestly?

just because one is bad does not mean the other is not bad

Hell, have Barda and Miracle as the main villains of JL with Granny controlling them, with the conflict setting up the idea that there's good in them. So like Age of Ultron, except not terrible.

You have bad taste. The fightscene in Smallville in Man of Steel is fucking amazing. The fight scene in Batman v Superman where Batman wrecks mooks is the best Batman action on live screen period! Also Superman vs Zod is pretty good too, though not as good as the Smallville fightscene, and I enjoyed both Batman vs Superman fight and Trinity vs Doomsday. Also, the fight scenes in 300 are fucking gorgeous and you're lying if you don't think that.

The Doomsday fight is absolute trash

and sorry if I don't think Batman outright shooting people makes for a good Batman fight

>The only thing they got somewhat right were the Parademons.
Reminder that parademons were supposed to be Darkseid's elite force soldiers, not rando bug fodder.

This is not a slight on the film, but on a ton of writers before it not getting the fucking point.

Hela sucked so that's not saying much.

>fighting an old woman
Normalfags would see it as some anti Hillary propaganda, nevermind how old the character is.

Yeah they were made into snarling bug monsters in the comics to justify having heroes like Batman use lethal force on them and not whine, heroes are hypocrites when it comes to hivemind bugs and sentient robots.

Are they never going touch on what made WW fuck off for decades? At the end of her film she's filled with hope after Trevor sacrificed himself and she wants to do good for the world. Then BvS she shows up, then JL right after. What the fuck happened in between?

didn't World War 2 show her it was man, not Ares, fucking everything up?

Didn't an actress say in an interview they outright retconed the disappearance away.
I haven't seen the film yet though.

The Smallville fight is the only really good one out of the ones you mentioned.

Steppenwolf is the military leader of Apokoliptian forces. Granny Goodness is the fucking trainer of the Female Furies and that's about it.

And Steppenwolf wasn't taken seriously because the movie was shit not because of the character. That's like implying that Lex Luthor was shit in B v. S because he's a crap character and not because the movie was hot garbage.

Your thread a shit, OP.

no one took Steppenwolf seriously before the movie, either

She trains more than just the furies. Honestly, if you wanted to make the movie keep a dark tone use her. She's probably one of the more vile characters. Show her abuse and training the furies as well as other people. Contrast that with JL working as a team.

>Reminder that parademons were supposed to be Darkseid's elite force soldiers.
That's wrong though as every apperance since Kirby had parademons as nothing more than shock troopers. The female furies are Darkseid's elite forces.

No one knew who steppenwolf was, which actually helps out. Try to sell the audience on Granny Goodness would've been an uphill batlle.
The name alone...People are not gonna get that Granny is supposed to be a serious threat.

Who to play Granny? I'd say Ed Asner, Danny Devito, or whoever played Umbridge.

Meryl Streep.

Margo Martindale

Idris Elba.

That may be so but she's still not the general of Darkseid's army. She has a different role on Apokolips. Sending her as the leader of Darkseid's forces would be akin to Hitler replacing Erich von Manstein with Josef Mengele on the Eastern Front.

A movie about Godfrey and Goodness as tv evangelists brainwashing the masses in an elaborate plan to resurrect Superman as a messianic figure for the people of Earth but secretly wanting him as a brainwashed champion for Apokolips would be a pretty bitchin movie.

>Granny Goodness

Because that character's concept is stupid even for comic books and it would look fucking ridiculous on film, seriously, an space evil old lady that runs orphanages and tortures the children? It's like a rejected character from an scrapped Stephen King novel.

And yet everybody loves "It" which is just sewer clown

>an space evil old lady that runs orphanages and tortures the children?
As opposed to the eternally young lady who smashed heads back before WW2 resurfacing to team up with an angry manchild, Mr. Runfast, and the resurrected space Jesus/Moses.

Hillary just can't catch a break in this timeline

The only reason you question it is because she's old. If it was a sexy Kryptonian you wouldn't bat an eye.