Sam Raimi was approached by Warner Bros Pictures to direct FLASHPOINT, but declined

>Sam Raimi was approached by Warner Bros Pictures to direct FLASHPOINT, but declined.

Could he have saved it, Sup Forums? Would've Bruce Campbell play the Reverse Flash?

>It's you who's out, Thawne! Out of time!

>FLASHPOINT
why? is that really the only Flash story available? he might have said yes if they weren't specifically asking for Flushpoint.

jesus fuck geoff johns. seriously.

no bruce campbell reverse flash? well i feel like when somebody told me santa wasn't real.

It makes sense. FLASHPOINT is their trump card to fix the mess the DCEU has become and start fresh with an all new cast and directors while technically still following the same storyline.

Except its a shit story and doing it would just make everything a complete waste of time.

I don't see big name director's approaching cape movies, it's all first big projects for newcommers with one or two small budget hits or bland yes men.

Rami had his yes man moment with Spider-Man 3 why would he return to making someone's movie for them?

Yfw ywn have Raimi kino with Bruce Campbell cameos again

>just make everything a complete waste of time.

Everything so far has already been a complete waste of time and money. They are not going to continue with all these actors in the same role along the same storylines in the same universe with the same aesthetic.

If they don't do a reboot of the shared universe, then they're going to go back to just making individual/unrelated DC movies like they used to.

If they do reboot the shared universe, they're either just going to continue with new movies and act like the previous ones didn't matter or reboot it via Flashpoint.

But no matter what they do, DC Snyderverse is dead.

>It makes sense. FLASHPOINT is their trump card to fix the mess the DCEU has become
You don't waste an entire film just on rebooting. That's a waste of everyone's time and money.

The whole point about rebooting is that no one care about the continuity anymore because they don't give a shit. And if that is the case then just reboot outright, don't waste an entire film EXPLAINING the damn reboot. Not enough people cares.

People who want nothing to do with the Snyder trilogy, would prefer if the reboot cut as much ties with it as possible, and that means don't try to sell them ANOTHER movie to link the reboot with the Snyder films.

Just reboot. Keep Wonder Woman 1 and 2 canon, change everything else. Don't bother trying to explain it.

>There are people that unironically believe this

Sad!

>If they do reboot the shared universe, they're either just going to continue with new movies and act like the previous ones didn't matter or reboot it via Flashpoint.
It is the "reboot via Flashpoint" that we have a problem with.

Because this isn't the comics, where you can sell the chapters for cheap. A film cost something like 150m at least, and you would have to charge people full price to watch it. Your idea makes no sense because people would want nothing to do with Flashpoint, and most wouldn't even watch it if you hand out tickets for free. In that case, why even make it?

Id rather get a hard reboot than sit through 2 hours of Erza Miller's bullshit with little retcons like this entire thing was planned out. Fuck this universe, and fuck Flashpoint trying to salvage it

Marc Webb was also asked, but declined as well.

So they're probably just chasing that Spider-Man hype.

I doubt it's really going to tie in that much to the previous films. More like it's going to be set in whatever new continuity they have going and just point out that whatever used to be is now gone.

Kind of like how the Star Trek reboot acknowledged the universe/events of the original Star Trek, but aside from Leonard Nemoy cameos, it was pretty much its own thing. They didn't dwell too much on how they were diverging from the timeline.

Or like how Incredible Hulk was basically a reboot of the Hulk Franchise, turning it into the direction of the new Marvel universe, and they acknowledged the events in Ang Lee's movie still happened, but that was about it.

Or how Days of Future past kind of reconciled the reboot that started with First Class with the older films, but didn't really spend a whole lot of time on it. It was basically a First Class film and all subsequent films have been first class films.

It's unlikely that the whole movie will be devoted to explaining the reboot. More like Flash will bounce around in time/space in a lot of what-if scenarios and alternate universes and at some point say something like, "Wow, we must be in a different time line" where Lex/Green Lantern/Supes/Batman/etc are all played by different actors, the world is less dirty, and other details have changed.

Sam is too redpilled for today's cinema.

>Marc Webb was also asked, but declined as well.
>So they're probably just chasing that Spider-Man hype.
At this point directing Flashpoint is a career killer. Everyone Warner want to hire, want nothing to do with it. The very idea of a reboot movie, with a massive cast and way too many plot threads, is a mess at the best of times. And at the worst of times like it is now, only desperate people with no reputation to lose would take the job. You know, like Snyder when he took up Man of Steel with a shit script and short notice.

Is that why the TV show is referencing Marvel and Spider-Man in particular so much lately?

>"The Flash goes back in time to confirm that the holocaust never happened"
wtf Raimi

"The Incredible Hulk" never acknowledged Ang Lee's movie.

>I doubt it's really going to tie in that much to the previous films. More like it's going to be set in whatever new continuity they have going and just point out that whatever used to be is now gone.
Why even do that? Who even ask for this? You only do this if you actually think connection with the Snyder Trilogy is beneficial. It wouldn't be, so don't even achnoledge that the Snyder universe ever existed.

Flash Point is a horrible story to restart a new franchise with. It was created to show a universe that was made worse by time travel, but it is not possible to do that when the DCEU was already that worse universe you were getting away from.

Flash should just get a solo film about Flash, not anything with the Aquaman vs Diana war, or the Wayne Senior and Joker mum. Flash Point should not be made, it will crash worse than Justice League.

>Bruce Campbell

Please, be serious if you're going to troll. All sorts of people have been approached, it means very little. Raimi, like pretty much anyone else (Spielberg and Jackson couldn't make Tintin a hit, for example, and their non-genre films don't really make bank). Even Michael Bay has bombs and underperforming films.

Flashpoint is the very concept of a creatively bankrupt, simplistic and unimaginative story idea. If Our Cereal Lord was not Diane Nelson's appointed COO because she has no live action experience (besides being an idiot even about what she's supposed to be experienced at - marketing and merchandising), he never would even have been elevated to 'co-president' of DC Films. And even if he was the EIC or something significant at DC Comics, NO ONE who would then be hypothetically in those position would be asking to use Flashpoint to do anything as a live-action project.

WB has all sorts of things it can do to reboot the universe. They can simply pull ideas from one year later - Bruce gets lost in history due to Darkseid so Dickbats (or a new Batman - most normies could give zip fucks that Batman is Bruce Wayne; they didn't have any problems with the Burtonverse went through four Bruce's in five films, and comic book readers should also accept that canonically we've had various other people be 'Batman.'

The could depower Superman, and leave Wonder Woman in charge of the Justice League, allowing them to introduce some new characters, a Lantern, and a few other heavy hitters.

In the meantime, they can use Cavill's contract to do some Elseworld's movies - they can certainly do Red Son with him and a new Lois, Bruce, Lex, etc.

And in the meantime they establish Nightwing, and get a few films under their belts. They don't really need a Justice League movie, and they would be better served doing some team-up movies (as with The Winter Solider, except with more of an A-list crew than Cap with Crossbones, Not Bucky, and Natasha - something more like Thor with Hulk, and they can introduce some new-comers.

>WB has all sorts of things it can do to reboot the universe. They can simply pull ideas from one year later - Bruce gets lost in history due to Darkseid so Dickbats (or a new Batman - most normies could give zip fucks that Batman is Bruce Wayne; they didn't have any problems with the Burtonverse went through four Bruce's in five films, and comic book readers should also accept that canonically we've had various other people be 'Batman.'
The issue then is that you are not rebooting anything at all. You would be deliberately maintaining continuity with the Snyder trilogy... For WHAT reason?

If you don't want the Snyder Continuity anymore, then just burn it to the ground, disown it, and start again. Keep Wonderwoman if you want, just assume her appearances in BvS and JL are non-canon. But it is silly that you are still insisting that Snyderverse needed to still exist.

If you want to reboot, then reboot. Don't act like there is anything worth salvaging with the Snyderverse. The quicker you cut ties, the faster the audience would move on.


But I have a feeling that isn't what you want. You like the Snyderverse and would rather it stay canon going forward. For what reason? Only you know.

>You know Barry, I'm quite the Crisis denier myself

>they didn't have any problems with the Burtonverse went through four Bruce's in five films
>Michael Keaton = Batman 89, Batman Returns
>Val Kilmer = Batman Forever
>George Clooney = Batman & Robin

>Could he have saved it, Sup Forums? Would've Bruce Campbell play the Reverse Flash
what DC wants is not a director, user, but someone who makes exactly what they want, how they want it, in the exact time frame they have their statistic metrics telling them its best to release it.
DC gets declined constantly because they only want someone who can make a movie, not a director with a vision. Time Warner executives are the cancer that will kill the DCEU.

>What's your name, kid?
>The Aryan Accelerator

WB employee here.

It's not a reboot. Even they know it's not worth it. It might not even be a Flashpoint movie anymore.

DC films are always in a state of flux, and this one in particular is a crazy mess of ideas. They've collected well over 15 different pitches, some completely batshit insane.

why did he tangle his microphone cord around flash? that isn't going to stop him.

I’ll play along

Give us some fun messes you’ve overheard

LMAO

Makes sense. Any fan of both Spider-Man and Flash knows that Flash is basically DC's version of Spidey. Not saying it's copied from, but the overall feeling is the same.

I guess that's what got me into The Flash in the first place.

Flashpoint is a opportunity to wipe off the shit stain that is the current DCCU

Flash is not DC's version of Spidey, what the fuck? How stupid are you? None of The Flashes are like Peter.

If you take the public perception of the character, Wally is essentially DC's version of Spider-man.
Especially in things like the DCAU.

They just don't know what direction to go for and which villains to use.

Lord & Miller's draft was RAGNAROK-levels of comedic, Seth-Grahame Smith's was an in-between per studio demand, Rick Famuyiwa's was too dark and gritty. They all featured Captain Cold and Golden Glider as the villains to differentiate from the TV show and due to Geoff Johns' suggestionof spotlighting the Rogues.

Now that Johns is in charge, they greenlit FLASHPOINT as sort of a backdoor JUSTICE LEAGUE sequel because of the movie's production woes, but they've gone through two page one rewrites and haven't found a good way to tell the story or a director willing to film it. At the same time they're throwing random shit at the wall like

>A movie centered on Barry and Iris' relationship without supervillains, with a quirky indie comedy vibe.

>BACK TO THE FUTURE-esque time travel story with Barry going back to 1990's several times to save his mother.

>Murder mystery/courtroom drama, with Iris being a lawyer.

>Literal kids movie with Grodd.

>Ditching the suit altogether.

>Introducing Jay Garrick as a never-before-seen original Flash. Perhaps even doing a "Return of Jay Garrick"-esque storyline.

>Get Barry a job at S.T.A.R. Labs so Cyborg can show up.
>Get Barry a job at Wayne Enterprises so Batman can show up.
>Get Barry a job at NASA so we can get a sweet advertisement deal.

>Flash/Harley Quinn team-up.

>Use Doctor Alchemy and explore the magic side of the DCEU.

>Barry can only use so much speed before he loses his powers and has to recharge for a certain amount of time.

>Barry can control electronics through electricity (backdoor into bringing Cyborg into the plot).

But this universe's Batman is already a murderer and Superman is pretty much a useless cunt and everything is sad and depressing. How bad would the Flashpoint universe have to be to make any sense? And why would people care since they don't know Barry and most of the DCEU universe? My guess is that it's gonna be a name-only reference, which might be enough to get Johns some royalties, at least due to his shitty event having a spike on sales.

I won't be able to believe they'll let him get away with these, it will have been a different time.

What the fuck am I reading? How retarded is Sup Forums these days?

Raimi should've done a Plastic Man movie starring Bruce back in the day. It would've been amazing, even if the CGI was shit.

>Flashpoint is a opportunity to wipe off the shit stain that is the current DCCU
There is no need to wipe the shit stain if you just change the carpet.
Change the carpet already, skip the cleaning.

>THE FASTEST FASCIST ALIVE?!

>Especially in things like the DCAU.
You don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

>Not I'M BARRY ALLEN AND I'M THE FASCIST MAN ALIVE

>I'm faster than a black man running from the responsibilities of fatherhood

>You don't know what the fuck you're talking about.
This isn't even an argument, fuck off until you can actually formulate one of those.

Flashpoint is absolutely the worst way to appeal to the general public so, no. Aside from Zoom, the best character for a solo movie might be Mirror Master/Captain Cold if only for the special effects porn they could fit in.

I didn't even stated it was a fact or that it wasn't anythig but my perception of Flash and Spidey stories, just took a hit that it might not be only me that sees things in this way. They aren't the same, of course, but to me, they come close enough. The tone of the stories really do it for me the most, but I see that people also make the same argument with Blue Bettle.

Calm down, my dude. I clearly don't watch Rick & Morty and I'm sorry.

*beetle
Jesus, I need to sleep.

they don't need to start fresh. just start making good movies. convince Affleck to stay for another movie so they can kill him off in Justice League II.

the DCEU is not unfixable.

>they don't need to start fresh.
Why not? What is so valuable about Snyder's universe that you want to keep it?
If people reject everything the Snyder trilogy stood for, what made you think keeping them canon would be a good idea?

>they don't need to start fresh. just start making good movies

You can't build a house on rotting foundations. The DCEU is a universe marred by disgusting production design and cinematography, and from a storytelling standpoint Snyder's interpretations of these characters are all cancer.

Not to get into a RLM shitpost war but it's Rich Evans' point about the PT characters: I don't care about any of the people in these stories, and you can't "fix" them in future versions. I liked Wonder Woman, but that was basically quarantined off into its own little storytelling hole and she became way more boring around the other heroes.

If Warner wants to scrap the cinematic universe idea entirely and just make whatever cape movies they want to, that's fine. But the Snyder aesthetic still needs to be stripped from all these characters before it's too late.

First you'd need to elaborate on how DCAU Wally is anything like Spider-Man.

IT WAS MEE BARRY
I WANT THE ROYALTIES!

If we’re being completely honest here, Flashpoint is an entertaining enough story for normies and especially CWfags to eat up

>If we’re being completely honest here, Flashpoint is an entertaining enough story for normies and especially CWfags to eat up
It is structurally horrible to serve as Flash's first solo film. It would have the same problem as BvS, in that it would have multiple characters and plots that have nothing to do with Flash. And that trying to cram it into 2 hours is suicide. Both for the actor and the director.

If "normies" didn't eat up JL, what made you think they would eat up Flashpoint which would basically be another BvS, except it is Wonder Woman vs Aquaman?

>nd especially CWfags to eat up

No one cares about that shitty show outside the fanbase, it's on a extremely small channel, and just 2 millions watch every episode, why do you think Supernatural hasnt had a movie yet?

Flashpoint was garbage and there's tons of stories to tell before that.

Seriously the same people that cries over the death of superman being too early (it wasnt, the death of superman was a shitty comic and doesnt deserved a whole movie) is the same people that wants flashpoint. Because of course if there's something we need is martha wayne as the joker, a "bad future" and another evil version of the hero.


Give me flash vs the rouges, after years we still havent got that in the cw series.

People love time travel movies, and as I said earlier CWfags would devour up a Flashpoint story. Never said it would be good, just entertaining to normies

>and as I said earlier CWfags would devour up a Flashpoint story

And they are aither twitter girls or autistic people with no standards.

They are not a huge fanbase, those shows are irrelevant. If anything Lucifer has more fans.

A younger member with a sense of humor who is treated like a child by other characters, while this might not match how Spider-man actually is, it reflects how the public sees him fairly well.

...

>How bad would the Flashpoint universe have to be to make any sense?
>Batman is already a murderer
The "surprise" isn't that Flashpoint's Batman is a gun totting Punisher in Bat Iconography, but the fact it's Thomas Wayne, dumbass.

>while this might not match how Spider-man actually is
Well, you just made my point. And what you're saying is just how he was portrayed in Civil War.

No, the important thing is not just that it's Thomas Wayne but how the fact that it was his child who got murdered instead of his father, made him a much more ruthless person. That's pointless in the Snyder universe, 'cause Bruce hs already been there himself.

I'd add up the struggle to balance work life and hero life, plus the multiple potential relationships. But that changes a little depending on what Flash we're talking about. The stories also have a light-hearted feeling that others quite don't achieve, mainly because of the sense of humor aspect and the setting. I mean, if Flash would go around shooting webs, it would be way more obvious, but it's not like Spidey is based on Flash, it's just that their stories give a similar enough vibe.

It's no rocket science, but the guy who you're talking to isn't searching for answers or willing to change his mind if proven wrong or anything like that. After sticking to his point, he might go until the end. This is Sup Forums, so just watch.

What the fuck are you talking about.

>only desperate people with no reputation to lose would take the job

someone get Josh Trank

>A younger member with a sense of humor who is treated like a child by other characters
This is Spider-Man in Civil War (the movie, that is) and pretty much nowhere else.

That's what I don't get. I don't know about that user, but I'm not talking about a specific movie version of Spider-Man, I'm talking about comics. Even if we're talking about movie Spidey, any iteration so far, we just take the "treated like a child" from some of them and the remaining characteristics cited after still work. A lot of those characteristics are key elements of your usual Spidey stories, and a some of those, maybe more that I'd like to admit, also can be found on Flash stories.

Like I said before, some people (also here on Sup Forums) bring this point up with Jaime's BB. Nothing else to say, really.

What did OP mean by this?

>...and then Flash kisses Iris in super-speed with his mask on, and it's raining and her nipples are visible...

Speedkino.

Why not throw everything except Wonder Woman out the window, make standalone reboots to rebuild credibility and come back to Justice League in 5 years?

>Why didn't Sam Raimi want to make a movie with a gay jewish actor in the lead role

>Why not throw everything except Wonder Woman out the window, make standalone reboots to rebuild credibility and come back to Justice League in 5 years?
See, that would make sense. But for those who believe Snyder did nothing wrong, they insist that they need to keep the Snyder trilogy canon at all costs. Even if it kills the DCEU forever.

They're a very small minority. Evidence: Snyder's box office record.

Go home Tsujihara.

>They're a very small minority. Evidence: Snyder's box office record.
Well if Flashpoint actually get made, those minority would get what they want. The Snyder trilogy would stay canon as they wished, while the Flash film would end up selling even worse than JL.

>SLEEP, BARRY, SLEEEEEP!

Kek.

It's not a coincidence that Ang Lee's movie ends in South America, and Incredible Hulk starts there.

There's no need to explicitly cut ties. Snyderverse has had missteps, and I didn't like Suicide Squad or BvS), but if you just moved forward, and made some quality sequels, people would forget and forgive. Snyderverse isn't irreparably poisoned.

How would you even sell Flashpoint to people? How do you make a commercial for Flashpoint without it looking like another Snyder piece of trash?

>Get Barry a job at Paradise Island so Wonder Woman can show up

> Get Barry a job at the Legion of Doom's headquarters so Lex and Deathstroke can show up

>Get Barry a job at Rick Ross's house so Suicide Squad Joker can show up

>There's no need to explicitly cut ties. Snyderverse has had missteps, and I didn't like Suicide Squad or BvS), but if you just moved forward, and made some quality sequels, people would forget and forgive. Snyderverse isn't irreparably poisoned.
You don't seem to understand what we are telling you; Snyderverse is NOT WORTH SAVING.

Now, you either cut ties now and start fresh, or spend multiple hundreds of millions in the next five years making films that people don't bother to watch because they are still part of the BvS canon. Your choice.

By refusing to start fresh, you are refusing to fix the mistakes. "Snyder's films are not that bad" is going to be your final words as you go down with the sinking ship.

JL put the cart before the horse...but the versions of the characters in Snyderverse, with some better writing, could work. With better writing, "soft reboots" can make these characters work. The base has had some hits, but it can be built up.

>How would you even sell Flashpoint to people? How do you make a commercial for Flashpoint without it looking like another Snyder piece of trash?
That is 100% going to be an issue. They might have tried to lighten up the DCEU in JL, but 80% of Flashpoint is going to be edgy Batman senior, Edgy Diana, and Edgy Aquaman. Flashpoint is ironically going to resemble a film directed by Snyder, because it IS an edgy universe.

I think that the problem was that Marvel getting ahead on building their cinematic universe made WB executives think there was only one way to success, financially or otherwise. Like, there's the way Marvel did it and there's the way it's wrong, so let's speed it up.

>JL put the cart before the horse...but the versions of the characters in Snyderverse, with some better writing, could work. With better writing, "soft reboots" can make these characters work. The base has had some hits, but it can be built up.
For what reason? What possible benefit is there to keep BvS canon?
Just save Wonderwoman 1 and 2, say they are both still canon, dump the rest. Why do you so insistent on saving what what was already lost?

>I think that the problem was that Marvel getting ahead on building their cinematic universe made WB executives think there was only one way to success, financially or otherwise. Like, there's the way Marvel did it and there's the way it's wrong, so let's speed it up.
I don't understand your sentence at all. The fact is there is nothing inherently wrong with the film schedule of BvS. The only issue is that Warner choose the more difficult path. And they don't get marks for failing. The faster way is harder, and the team Warner put together was simply not skilled enough to pull it off.

Trying to combine three films into BvS is possible, it was just hard. Trying to do JL with the team they had is possible, it was just hard. Warner simply failed to succeed, because they fell flat on their faces trying to make movies they aren't skilled enough to assemble.

And now we have Flashpoint, once again, trying to make Flashpoint coherent and fit in 2 hours is not impossible, it is just hard. And guess what? I doubt Warner had gotten any better than before.

Don't bite off more than you can chew, know your limits.

>Any fan of both Spider-Man and Flash knows that Flash is basically DC's version of Spidey
Static and Blue Beetle are DC answers to spiderman, Flash is nothing like Spidey just because both love to quip.

Because I liked some parts of Man of Steel, and found a very small amount of pathos in Bruce's desire to set up a team, and am interested in seeing dudebro Arthur become a true sea prince. There's something good going on there. It just needs a lot of work, but part of what made Avengers good was the buildup of empathy from several films. Deleting the groundwork that's gone before will also delete characters who we have gotten to know.

There's way more to them than quip and that's been said already, though Barry doesn't even quip as much and the only Blue Beetle that you are correct about is the Jaime one. Not even going to touch on Static here.

>Deleting the groundwork that's gone before will also delete characters who we have gotten to know.
Well not enough people know these characters, to care if they are gone. The DCEU is literally making less money with every film, thus suggesting strongly that audiences are dropping off permanently. This can't be reversed for as long as you stay in the same universe, as the whole point of people not showing up is because they don't want Snyderverse anymore. Unless you actually cut ties, you will keep steering towards the iceberg.

And you seriously think Warner would keep spending hundreds of millions to keep you happy?

>Sam Raimi
Can't wait!

It was different time

I don't think rebooting is enough to make people instantly disregard their past impressions of characters though. Look at Batman Begins' relatively low box office, due to coming from & Robin - and that was years later.

If people are really soured on these characters, a reboot wouldn't mean much.

>We are the flash Barry

Wait what? They want to reboot the franchise now RIGHT AFTER Justice League? I can't even imagine a universe where that would possibly work well. They're three movies deep with three more on the way. Just commit and make the sequels not suck ass. Restarting and trying again so soon after you JUST dropped your big ensemble movie is such a ridiculous notion that I can't believe it's even on the table!