Who Should Lead The DC Cinematic Universe?

DC needs a Feige figure to fix their shitty movies.

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No, I don't want that

let them keep shitting the bed instead, it's more entertaining

Geoff Johns isn't the man.

Feige's thing is he loves movies first, comics second. he grew up in the 80s with the best genre films and is trying to replicate that using marvel characters. he knows how to tweak enough of a comic character so that it will work on the big screen.

johns only knows comics. only seems to love comics. his ideas thus far (at least the ones he is able to get through production) seem to translate poorly to the big screen. they need someone who's worked in animation, comics, and live action. JMS would be a good choice.

also, dc will continue to make shit films unless they fire some of the upper management. pic related.

Raimi knew how to take comics and make them work in movies without taking everything away from the source material. He was able to do camp, dark, tense, and fun moments and made them feel like they all fit in the same movie.

Jesus fucking christ.

How about Paul Dini?

Let George Miller do what he set out to do in the first place.

>fire some of the upper management
>DC
>fire the people that own them
that's not how it works

paul dini and george miller would be perfect choices. but george miller will prolly die soon.

i meant at WB film production side, look at the pic to see why.

that's fake dumbfuck

As much as Dini is a good writer and all he's as much as a "Yes man". He'll probably listen to whatever decision WB throws at him and do it without a second thought

right, the idiots are the ones in charge, DC has nothing to do about that, they and their intellectual properties are at the mercy of the idiots

Dunkirk was the best movie this year, IT was the best horror movie of the decade.

So is not WB fault in general but Snyder imcompetence

Dini

They need a team. They need to build it slowly like a new business entirely as Marvel Studios did. From what I know obvious choices for this team would be George Miller, Dini, Timm, Johns, Kevin Smith. People with experience and knowledge of the characters plus a history of bringing shit to screen without fucking up like the current retards.

That was suppose to be Geoff until Justice League proved Geoff was just Tsujihara's proxy who took advantage of Snyder's Bereavement to hire Whedon and to turn JL into what He always wanted DC movies to be: Marvel Knockoffs.

Tsujihara could've delayed the movie, but didn't because he knew his time was running short and wanted to secure his bonus which he may have never gotten or delayed when the imminent merger with AT&T happens. It wasn't a some Marvel/Disney conspiracy, but WB that keeps ruining DC.

no its not, dreamshit

WB hand picked Snyder. Rushed the entire universe into production before even seeing how BvS performed simply based on MoS being ok. Then panicked and reacted continually making things even shitter. WB are where the bucks stop. Snyder is a symptom. WB senior management up to the CEO maybe even board fucked this up and have been doing for 20 years now on everything except Batman, while Marvel made billions..

The DC brand is utterly broken through years of mismanagement. On a wider pop culture level outside of comic fandom, people especially young kids see the DC characters (the fucking Trinity and JL ffs) as crappy off brand Avengers. My pre teen niece and nephews barely know who they are while having Marvel superheroes everything..

kevin smith is garbage keep him far away from all properties.

Dini, I would go with Kevin Smith but he likes all the shit that come from reddit or tumblr so f*ck you Kevin

>On a wider pop culture level outside of comic fandom, people especially young kids see the DC characters (the fucking Trinity and JL ffs) as crappy off brand Avengers.
Factually false, Marvel got no answer to Teen Titans and later teen titans go, their cartoons have all fallen into obscurity,even justice league action is more popular than anything Marvel is doing now. And Now DC will release the first anime based on a comic brand with a fully competent team(Batman Ninja).

WB has hundreds of great properties that they could be using but all of those on the movie production side are morons.

animated

>bugs bunny and daffy and elmer fudd
>roadrunner vs coyote
>tweety and sylvester
>captain caveman

live action

>flintstones
>jetsons
>scooby doo
>yogi bear
>space ghost
>thundarr
>herculoids
>gremlins
>goonies
>lost boys

etc.

thats without DC. they're just sitting on all that money and not doing shit. they're morons. fucking morons.

Go All In with Snyder. Let him do EXACTLY what he wants. All the problems stemmed from not giving him complete control.

That's what happens when he get complete control.

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>Snyder
He can't do Superman, I'm ok with him on Batman

>snydercucks will defend this
I can't wait for Snyder to lrave so DC fans don't need to deal with this stupidity.

This. And people somehow think this guy is a shackled genius who just needs space to execute his vision the way he wants to? He's a hack who cares about style first and substance a distant last.

You've got your head in the sand if you think Justice League Action is hotter than the Marvel movies right now. The marvel comics and cartoons are garbage, but the movies are absolutely dominating the cultural landscape at the moment.

>implying Sucker Punch was bad
Hollywood was just mad that their pro-mind control memes were exposed. Same reason they were mad at Kubrick.

Timm, Dini, Johns, George Miller.

Sucker punch was considerably worse than suicide squad.

>feige
>Elektra producer
fuck off, it need good directors, Snyder was never considered a good one

ready for that prison gang rape scene, then?

snyder had more than enough chances already

he'll be lucky landing a bollywood job

Johns with better directors will be fine. You have to remember that johns step in atfer all the characters went through snyder's mess and all thing considering he did a good job making these characters and world more like the comics and likable. JL is more liked by people and critics than BvS and SS so clearly he's doing something right.

>Let him do EXACTLY what he wants.

>Edgy superman
>Edgy batman who kills people with guns
>Edgy superman who dies but no one really cares
>Edgy nonsensical dream sequences
>Slow motion and CGI everything. Sets are for whimps.
>On quote saying that cape costumes look awful and should not be shown on screen for too long

We're in this mess cause of letting Snyder do what he wants

>Timm
Yes pls. I too want to see Margot Robbie Harley Braap in Batflecks mouth and then rape his asshole with her bat.

I feel bad for Zack knowing that he will be eternally hated not only by a niche audience but by the cultural mainstream as a whole.

That definitely does something to someone.

True, the issue is that aside from the movies Marvel lacks anything to draw in young children or to keep their attention between movies. Basically they're not setting the stage for nostalgia interest. Right now DC has the girl's market on lockdown with DC Superhero Girls, and has massive headway into young children with their DC Superfriends line and kids in general with Lego tie-ins.

>DC will release the first anime based on a comic brand

That's not true. That's not true at all. DC and Marvel have anime that came out way before Batman Ninja.

Good excuse to post this. Unf!

>how Green Lantern got green lit

Hey now, being green lit was always Green Lantern's thing!

>Johns with better directors will be fine.
If Johns had control things would be fine. He's like a puppet the execs SAY has creative control but they really don't listen to him. He has more control over the TV side and he's done shit for the better there like lifting a lot of the embargo shit, and suggesting rather than Hank being Cyborg Superman he be Martian Manhunter disgused as Hank Henshaw.

Jesus Christ

Something that Sup Forums in general doesn't seem to understand is that Johns position at DC means he has very little control over the actual production of DC properties outside limited pre-production and development stuff.

wait a moment...

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hahahahaha

Feige.

I mean, after Avengers: Infinite Crisis, there's no more phases, and the formula pretty much runs itself. He can take the time and do the work for the Distinguished Cinematic Competition.

This can't be real

>Avengers: Infinite Crisis
Holy shit, imaging if they really end up calling the 4th Avengers movie that. I mean, it makes sense, if the story is about how they break up the single timeline, and fracture it into a multiverse, which is basically what they said was the plan for Marvel after Phase 4.

>Who Should Lead The DC Cinematic Universe?

They literally had it on a fucking platter for them

Superman, Batman, WW are the most well known superheroes for normies and they fucked it up by losing to a cinematic universe kicked off with Iron Man, not even Spiderman or Hulk.

DC didnt make enough movies and failed after the Nolan Trilogy with things like Green Lantern and Man of Steel. They just didnt make enough movies whereas marvel was putting out at least one movie a year and have 18 movies in the last 10 years.

WB picked Snyder because 300, Watchman and even Suckerpunch were praised so much from a visual standpoint of being just like comics. The thing is his style wore fucking thin and if not for his wife he never would have gotten BVS or JL but the execs just went along with nepotism like a gaggle of retards.

WB had the public's eye captured through animation and movies for years before Iron Man and basically had no idea how to translate shit properly into movies because their execs just didn't have the understanding. The MCU took off because people like Avi Arad and Kevin Feige wanted it to take off. DC never had that.

They should have fought back right after Iron Man. They were the larger studio and they could have had Justice League out before Avengers with ease. No one cared about Captain America, no one cared about Iron Man, no one sure as fuck cared about fucking Thor but Marvel made decent movies and people started to care. Meanwhile Wonder Woman, Superman, Batman, Aquaman and even Flash and Green Lantern were all in the public eye. WB had them everywhere on the animation front for decades.

WB ignored Johns and others when it came to handling Green Lantern, they didn't want an EU before that because they saw it as a cheap gimmick (Which it is), and most of all they kept getting in the way of directors when it came to making the movies they were trying to make. JL, WW, Batman/Superman, GL, Flash have had movies stuck in development hell for years because WB execs keep fucking with the writers and directors and pushing them off the projects. They hire stylistic directors and then get upset when they don't do things the way they want. Every time. You have to trust your crew if you want to get shit done.

Meanwhile Marvel realized quickly that hiring TV directors who will do whatever you say will lead to quick and dramafree productions rather quickly and thanks to Feige they had a person in charge who basically grasped how to do these movies.

its actually not the same producer, i don't think.

the guy that i think it is is Herb Gains. he also produced "non-stop" which is an airplane hijack movie and "geostorm" which also has many airplane scenes.

This seems true seeing as how they shilled mercedes in JL and shilled it pre-release in promos. As well as caring about how much quips to copy marvel.

Example: changing batmans line in his crawler from "my turn" to some fucking quip that had no impact

SAD

I dont understand because DC has consistently had a better animated universe than Marvel for literally decades now but fuck it up badly in live action

He's propped up as being like Feige but WB doesn't really give him that power. If they did Hal would have been in JL.

>they didn't want an EU before that because they saw it as a cheap gimmick (Which it is)

The absolute level of Sour Grapes is beyond mortal comprehension at this point.

Now Furious DC Faggot never wanted an extended universe, they are for stupid doo-doo heads.

Are you trying to start a console war when there is none? He's not defending the decisions DC made he's criticising it and comparing it objectively just giving the reasons.

When will that advent come, user?
The time when DCEU will be beloved in the cultural sphere of critics?

He's doing his usual post Justice League thing, taking passive aggressive swipes at the MCU while finding yet another new hero to suck off (Johns this time).

Kindly piss off.

>WB ignored Johns
>OMG HE'S SUCKING HIM OFF
What?

>They hire stylistic directors and then get upset when they don't do things the way they want.

They hire trumped up music video directors, and give them scripts hammered together by a self-admitted hack.

Stop pretending the DCEU was subverted by fractious visionaries who couldn't get on the same page.

It was ruined by meatheads who've expressed open contempt for the very franchises they were given creative control over.

Because they have people in charge who love and understand the DC universe. Timm and co started Batman TAS from a place of pure love for Batman.
WB was adamant during the production of TDK trilogy that they didn't want to do a universe like Marvel. They wanted self contained films. And it is a cheap gimmick. Marvel is the only company able to do it right at the moment but it's a cheap gimmick to get people to see movies like Thor. And if it was the "no one cared about Iron Man and friends" shit, Iron Man was a low selling comic character at the time with a cartoon that helped drive Marvel into bankruptcy. Fox wouldn't greenlight a Captain America cartoon, and gay jokes about Thor were about as popular as Aquaman being useless jokes. If anything I applaud Marvel for making people care. I even said Marvel made decent films and that's why they won.

>They hire trumped up music video directors
When Wheadon was on Wonder Woman was he a "trumped up music video director"? What about Kevin Smith on Superman? Miller on Justice League?

This shit dates far back before the DCEU and it's a problem. And the DCEU hired indie and art house directors like Ruck Famuyiwa, Miller & Lord, and others attached to Flash were hardly trumped up music video directors either.

Has to be someone who cares about the characters and makes them faithful to the fucking comics, that is one of the reasons the dceu is fucking shit.

>WB was adamant during the production of TDK trilogy that they didn't want to do a universe like Marvel.
At the point of producing The Dark Knight in 2008 there was no MCU. There was a weak performing Hulk movie and Iron Man. So of course they weren't seriously considering an "extended universe", there was nothing more than a Tony Stark cameo at the end of Incredible Hulk.

By the time The Avengers beat TDKR in theaters, they were practically begging Nolan and Bale to be part of an extended universe of DC films.

Stop being so fucking revisionist.

>Counting Directors who said "Lol, nope"
Seriously listen to yourself.
You are biased beyond the ability to carry on a rational conversation.

>looking at the characters in this image
>all the Suicide Squad shitters

holy shit what a bunch of nothing pointless characters that movie had, outside of Deadshot, Harley, and Waller the rest may as well have not existed.

Fucking Boomerang may have been the worst, because we actually expected something from him, but he threw like 1 boomerang the entire movie and then fucked off.

Judging from my lil ones a new Marvel movie come out every school holiday, there's regularly new video games, and there's cartoons plus toys. They and other pre teen kids really see DC heroes as the Go-Bots to Marvel's Transformers if you want and 80s kids analogy.

>Batman with a jet
>from Tim Burton
>not even realizing Green Lantern was a pilot
>not even realizing Wonder Woman owns a jet
top fucking kek pottery the absolute state of

All those directors left or were fired from their respective projects during points of production though. Except for maybe Miller & Lord.

That speaks WORSE of WB, if anything.

That's my fucking point. Wheadon was from 2006, Kevin Smith was in the 90s when they were burning through talent trying to make Superman Lives. This is a longstanding issue with WB.

Friendly reminder that Marvel is definition of good capeshit right now.
Friendly reminder that Thanos will be remembered as best big bad, while Darkseid will be literally who and "cheap ripoff"
Friendly rembider that Black Panther will probably made more than JL.
I think my dog would make better DCEU than WB

That's execs in general. They're always out of touch.

I love Kevin Smith's stories when he was writing a Superman script.

>"How about we have him fight two polar bears?"

>"Let's have him fight a random giant spider in the finale"

>same exec is part of the group that produced Wild Wild West

>giant fucking metal spider

If there's a "theme" or kind of imagery an exec likes, they'll try to force it into everything.

DC has a huge edge over Marvel in videogames and Marvel has no answer to DCSG. If anything a more apt 80s kids analogy is that Marvel is Transformers while DC is GI Joe.

The only thing that saved the MCU was giving them a separate studio, with the only top exec mandate being that they be able to pay their own bills, that they take the initial investment and succeed from there. It was allowed to chart it's own path to success, helmed by people who loved the idea of serialized adventure movies and weren't afraid of the risks. Their stumbles were never dissected by Disney's board of directors.

What doomed the DCEU was always having to run upstairs to get the next thing approved, and having each new film be little more than a reaction to whatever was succeeding for Marvel Studios. The DCEU became the Brazilian knock-off of the MCU. It actually went on a lot longer than it deserved. It had no heart.

It accidentally succeeded in making one watchable movie (WW) after spending billions.

Get rid of Disney double-agents first

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DC's Super Hero Girls sells really well, and then there's Teen Titans. Suicide Squad has also been a merch juggernaut with angsty teens and people love the Batman games.

If you look at the millennial demographic though, DC's big problem is its die hard fans. I've heard normies and casuals bring up stuff you'd think would be obscure like the petition against RT and the whole thing about pushing back the review embargo (which turned out to be misinterpreted anyways). It's bad PR since's it's the extreme fanboy antics that make it to mainstream media and the current narrative getting clicks is that DC fanboys are ultra pathetic.

>with a fully competent team
Previous DC/Marvel animes were all jokes user, this one got top animators and writers.

>They and other pre teen kids really see DC heroes as the Go-Bots to Marvel's Transformers

That's because DC and Mattel saw there was a market for girl superheroes and decided to actually capitalize on it. DC has always been better with its female heroes in that respect. Marvel is afraid to push Black Widow Captain Marvel, meanwhile DC Superhero Girls isn't afraid to put Black Orchid in the backround for future doll and figure potential.

hey buddy, go discuss this on

I dunno, he's talking about finding someone who knows the characters, so that would be someone who knows the comics, so discussing it on the comics board makes sense

Geoff worked with Richard Donner before he worked in comics and he has experince with movies and tv shows.

He's also tight with Feige
youtu.be/SVp61vHNElU

They could also jusy make a DC Studios and leave them alone like Disney with Marvel, make Geoff answer to the less crazy WB exec.

It will never happen tho.

Sucker punch was not praised at all, it was a bigger joke than suicide squad

300 and watchmen were very bashed by critics

>From a visual standpoint
Key there. Suckerpunch less so because that's where Snyder's style started to wear thin but his visual work was still praised to some degree.

>people especially young kids see the DC characters (the fucking Trinity and JL ffs) as crappy off brand Avengers. My pre teen niece and nephews barely know who they are while having Marvel superheroes everything.

My 6 year old loves Superhero girls, she knows who Big Barda, Granny Goodness and Apokolips is because of that show. And she loved the Wonder Woman movie.

And going by that last one I saw more girls dressed up as WW, Harley, and freaking Catwoman this Halloween and not a single one of them dressed as Widow or Sif or any Marvel female character. Probably a Princess Thor but Marvel has done a shit job with making little girls like their female characters.

CW is also making normies familiar with these characters.

And DCEU is not broken even if it has been mostly shit since I've seen kids dress up as Superman, Batman and WW this past Halloween, so some of them still like the characters.

And MoS with its dumb shit still produced this feeling on this baby.
youtu.be/DXAva_gO8Qk

They can still fix DCEU, but WB needs to get their shit together, although I have little hope for that.

lol, widow and wnada are everywhere and the x-men is still a thing you know

Have you seen little girls outside cons dressed as Widow or Wanda? They have boring costumes, black leather and civilian clothes, big Yawn. At least Catwoman makes up for it with the cat ears and having various looks to her outfit.

If MCU had made Sif popular and had given her a regal cape, her comic headress, a shiny and interesting armor, and made her the female lead I am super confident she would have been popular.

Hell fricking Hela might be the most visually interesting female character they have so far. The others are just agents and girls in civvies.

X-Men movies aren't that popular with girls nowadays.

Plus the WW Barbies and the Superhero girls toys sell like hotcakes even if these girls don't see their show.

Plus WW and Harley are two of the most bought costumes for Halloween, look it up.

heroicgirls.com/wonder-woman-harley-quinn-searched-costumes-2017/

If you look at the Google Frightgeist statistic this year WE and Harley took the first two spots, Batman was at #17, Joker at #23, and Spider-Man at #28. Catwoman down at #41. Superman at #54, DP at #94, Robin at #102, Groot at #111 and Captain Ameroca at #112

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doubt guy here, that's nice to hear to be honest

when will WB step up their game, they have the most powerful IPs in the world