If you were in charge, how would you reboot this interesting-premise-but-otherwise-poor-execution cartoon, Sup Forums?

if you were in charge, how would you reboot this interesting-premise-but-otherwise-poor-execution cartoon, Sup Forums?

youtube.com/watch?v=sq0EAiaUR9E

>reboot
But you already answered your own question, OP.

>poor-execution

Leave it as is, but redo the live action sequel as a cartoon continuation.
Make a Persona-esque video game adaptation

>reboot
>make all of the characters actually interesting, Yumi and her boytoys are actually friends and been friends for a while.
>The nerd has a character in the game as well.
>The animation doesn't change, but it doesn't have big heads by the french.
>The main bad virus isn't a virus but actually a group of hackers who have their own special/ niche about them. And they all have their ideals and other quirks but that's just it to make the fans want something more.
> More people get involved with fighting the hackers and it's more on the basis of this is a community rather than some stupid human vs computers humanity evangelion shit.
>The principle's daughter actually is a sweetheart but gets treated like shit by the protagonist and then she turns to the hackers for revenge. Making shit actually dark.
>There is no fucking reboot shit that always happens. People learn from their mistakes and they learn to move past with them.

>Ways To Ruin A Very Good Show: The Post
Get the fuck out with your autistic fanfiction-crap.

OH SHIT I CAUSED A FUCKING VIRUS TO DO CRAZY FUCKING STUPID SHIT BY DOING SOEMTHING IM NOT SUPPOSED TO DO OH NO.

Now who will fucking save our asses from environmental disasters because a fucking virus found a way to get into our fucking stupid ass lives.

>tfw no Code Lyoko game where you transfer to Kadic and can befriend/date the students and hang out to build social links while diving into Lyoko at night to fight

this goes too far.

i'd stick with the premise and tone but figure out how to make it resonate more with me first, then audiences

code lyoko has some good points but lord almighty, it does not hold up well.

You *do* realize that Xana wasn't any mere " virus", right? He was higlhy-adaptive, vast, and utterly insane multi-agent program, and the differences between him and a simple virus were made explicitly clear multiple times in the show. He was closer to a fullblown cosmic horror in digital form more than anything else.

Smaller foreheads, other than that I can't think of anything that would substantially improve Code Lyoko.

He stopped being imtitdating for me when he tried to cause a nuclear factory to bomb out by electricity current. Program or not, you can't control electricity in that fashion that was just getting stupid.

Though I should've threw in the towel when he reanimated fucking dead objects.

>Now who will fucking save our asses from environmental disasters

what are you talking about? fivehead made that show.

Xana was *always* ridiculous, right from the very beginning. Remember the first episode, "Teddygozilla"? The one that literally featured him possessing a teddy bear, upping it's size to colossal proportions and then proceeding to try and crush the school and it's inhabitants into paste?

well for starters not only have two virtual environments and enemies

>Keep the animation divide
>Get the original creators
Ideally both, but if I had to pick one, Palumbo.
>Hire more than 7 VA's
Despite being near-amateurs, the English VA's had a good amount of range. Still, the recurrence was very obvious and distracting.
Honestly I'm on the fence about keeping the originals at all.
On the fence about keeping the VA's themselves.
>Bring it up to present day.
The factory was destroyed in 2005; pic related is what ile Seguin looks like today. The factory can appear, but it will be scheduled for demolition. The kids have to relocate the computer or somehow dig a secret entrance to it.
>More firmly establish the location as being in west Paris
>Cellphones were a big deal in the original; Smartphones give even more possibilities.
A world where everyone has a smartphone is a world where Xana has a lot of power.
Social engineering will be a great new angle of attack for him.
Also, maybe have Jeremie create an app that allows him to manage Lyoko from a distance?
>Make Xana and his minions more threatening.
Have him nearly kill the kids on multiple occasions. The kids should get party wiped more often as well.
>Fewer returns to the past.
Establish early on that they empower Xana; the kids need to be more stealthy.
>Give Odd a different weapon.
Yumi and Ulrich's weapons match their avatars; so should Odd's. Maybe give him a whip like Catwoman? If we have to keep the arrows, give him a bow, a least. Maybe establish him as part of the school's archery team.
>No energy orbs for Aelita
Aelita was never defenseless even at the beginning; she could manipulate the terrain. That's way cooler than energy orbs that one-shot everything even if they miss the eye.
>Have William's capture be a short story arc
William being part of the team was one of the few things Evolution got right. Let him get captured, but bring him back within a few episodes.
I have other ideas, but this is almost at 2000 characters.

It was established in Franz's diary that he spent 7 years on one day, shaping Xana from a few lines of code, to a full AI, to a renegade AI. Most of Xana's omnicidal tendencies comes from the pure hate he developed for Franz during that time.

>she could manipulate the terrain
Having to stand still and be a sitting duck while doing so.

finally someone put thought into this.

>The factory was destroyed in 2005;

I like the factory for the narrative contrast it gives the school; a relic of an industrial age long past harboring a dark, all-powerful technology felt poetic.

>More firmly establish the location as being in west Paris
I'm not sure if indistinct city setting matters too much; when I was growing up, Code Lyoko felt like a story that could happen just down the street.

>A world where everyone has a smartphone is a world where Xana has a lot of power.

Ding ding ding. You don't even need the BS supernatural, monster of the week plot devices.

>Make Xana and his minions more threatening.

Yes, I agree. But not to the level of grimdark. Make it a bit more serious, with actions actually having meaningful consequences. Perhaps closer to animorphs.

>Fewer returns to the past.
Right, return to the past was a narrative cheat card that the writers realized too late they overrelied on. Not to mention, it won't fit in with a more gritty and grounded lyoko.

>No energy orbs for Aelita
Yeah, Aelita shouldn't be a conventional fighter.

I'd like to hear more of your thoughts user.

>Aelita was never defenseless even at the beginning; she could manipulate the terrain.
Aelita's terrain generation took a couple minutes at the very *least* to get anything even remotely passable as a defense set up, and she had to stay almost completely still in order to get it to work properly. This really couldnt be afforded to be done a majority of the time simply because of how long it took her to generate even the most basic shielding, and how Xana was constantly gunning for her in the early seasons, making it near impossible for her to pull of any terrain manipulation, especially without her fellow Warriors backing her up. Didn't help that Xana's monsters could easily shatter her makeshift terrain as it was still forming, which wasted time and effort she could have placed on other things, could deal damage to her from the backlash, and would also stagger her a majority of the time, making it easy for Xana to subdue and mind-control her. Creativity was definitely a useful power in some scenarios, but in almost every other case it was less than useless, which is why she absolutely NEEDED Energy Field to compensate for her lack of general offensive abilities.

>return to the past was a narrative cheat card that the writers realized too late they overrelied on
And yet Thomas Astruc, who worked on Lyoko, does the exact same thing every episode in Miraculous.

Larger foreheads.

Larger foreheads.

...

Larger foreheads.

One, creativity took a few seconds, not minutes. Second, her having to stay still is a great way to nerf such a powerful ability. Also, she can keep her wings, she won't be so vulnerable in the air

>The factory was destroyed in 2005;
forgot picture.
>I like the factory for the narrative contrast it gives the school
I agree, which is why I think it should be destroyed. Show that that past is slowly being removed in favor of progress.
>Code Lyoko felt like a story that could happen just down the street.
Same here. The establishment doesn't have to be anything extreme; place names in the smartphone map app, french on the chalkboards, Euros, shit like that. They did some of this in the original.
>not to the level of grimdark
It shouldn't be, I agree. But there should be a clear existential threat.
>I'd like to hear more of your thoughts user.
kay.

>less will they/won't they shit
Maybe have Yumi and Ulrich try dating for a season, but mutually end it. The endless shipteasing was very annoying.
>Explore the mental trauma
Endlessly fighting to save the world in secret and having some of your most heroic moments erased constantly. would really fuck with anybody's psyche. They explored this a bit in the original.
Do it subtly, too. Make the kids personalities gradually change, and don't call attention to it for at least a season.
>Give an example of why the RttP's can't save the dead
This has the potential to be a really dark moment. It doesn't have to be. Maybe change some background dialogue during the closing callback to the opening.
Before: "My grandma's in the hospital, I'm going to go see her tonight"
After: "My grandma died last night'
The implication being that the grandma died in the hospital in the first timeline, and the death carried over to the new timeline.
>I'd rather not talk about it
Imply that Jim actually did do all of that crazy stuff
>Boss minions
The Kolossus was great, maybe have more shit like that.

>creativity took a few seconds, not minutes.
A few seconds was often all XANA needed to take her out, so its use was still not too helpful as a means of attack.

>The Kolossus was great, maybe have more shit like that.
One of the video games had a unique creature as the final boss, the Scorpion.

>not too helpful as a means of attack
perfect, that's what I'm aiming for. Aelita is the package in an endless escort mission, but is capable of pulling a game changer if properly supported.

Do you write? I'm getting that impression.

Still somewhat uncertain about the removal of the archaic, but juxtaposition is secondary to other points you raised.

>there should be a clear existential threat.

Right. I'd say New Lyoko should be more towards "Voldermort" level of threat and not "skynet". The former allows room for shenanigans with an eventual culmination with a terrifying but not horrifying individual. the latter forces conflict at every turn with an alien, monstrous entity.

>less will they/won't they shit

maturity, in my french animu? good idea. actually let them grow their relationships.

>Explore the mental trauma

yep. a collective coming of age, in the face of great hardship. which old lyoko copped out on.

>Give an example of why the RttP's can't save the dead
excellent. especially imagine if one of the main characters overhears it, and then decides to keep it from the rest. until another finds out and gets extremely upsets over it.

>I'd rather not talk about it

greater characterization of the side characters is a must.

I meant, do-die-despair conflict at every turn, which is a few shades darker than the mysteries of Hogwarts.

Yes, that 's exactly the kind of stuff I'm talking about.
Boss idea: a guy totally covered in the eyes of Xana. To kill it, they have to break all of the eyes.

>Do you write?
I wish. I'm currently procrastinating a paper right now.
I DO, however, read quite a bit.

I think these sound pretty good, though I'm kinda in the minority in that Aelita could use her energy fields, and I might sound crazy, but maybe let her manipulate them with creativity to do some energy blades like pic related, but it has to hinder her in some way.

>Give Odd a different weapon
I kinda think every one needs a better arsenal, with weapons good for close range and long range combat. He can keep the arrows, but the best option for Odd would be Wolverine-esque claws. They were considering using that in Season 4, and I don't get why they scrapped it, it's very useful. I also Yumi should have a Naginata to deal with enemies in close range, and Ulrich...I dunno. Maybe give him a bow, or make his sword launch some energy slash like in that one episode. It's kinda tough.

However, I think something that the reboot HAS to do is explore the Carthage backstory. There is so much potential with a story like that. Let's analyze this for a moment

>Aelita loses her mother to the men in black, hinting either a possible government conspiracy behind it, cover up, or hell, maybe even treason (the last one's something I want to believe)
>Franz Hopper on the run from them, trying to protect Aelita from them
>Meanwhile, he's creating a supercomputer to stop Carthage, which may or may not be a government project, but whatever it is, it's not good. This also raises questions on how is he getting the technology, or who's funding it.
>Due to his focus on Lyoko, Aelita is constantly either alone at worst, or with a babysitter or assistant at best, and she wants to know when her mom will come back, or if her dad will spend time with her.

Seriously, this opens a whole new world in the show, and I don't see why did the writers ditch something with so much potential, not even Evolution brought it up. I know the novels did, but it's kinda unsatisfying

Alas.

I've always wanted to see Lyoko done right,: a group of school students fighting against a nigh-omnipotent A.I, but that will probably never happen.

season 2 and 3 were certainly less repetitive than season 1, but does it feel like they had a better handle on season 1?

one of the original creators left after season 1

Yeah, they did at first. Season 2 was much better since it expanded the universe and gave us something different, but I don't know what happened by season 3, it started to lose ground.

And Season 4...my god there's so much of it that you could easily skip. Exploring the replikas became pointless once the Kolossus debuted, and the ending just seemed so rushed

I had no idea how much I wanted this until now