How would you rank the crisis trilogy?

How would you rank the crisis trilogy?

CoIE > IC > FC for me

Final didnt really have much to do with the other 2, did it?

Are any of those stories actually good or is it just an excuse to have the characters meet up and fight ala secret wars

CoIE is good and notable for the sheer ambition of it
FC is great
IC is trash

>forgetting Identity Crisis
I sure wish I could forget about it.

I did forget it but I actually liked Identity Crisis. It was heartbreaking, retconing Doctor Light was great, and was an overall interesting mystery to follow

not a real crisis bro

one day we will drive ICfags from this board and we will finally be whole again

1. COIE
It's a real epic and has no fucking breaks.

2. FC
A bit artsy fartsy as per Morrison usual style and requires reading a tie-in to understand but it's interesting.

3. IC
Absolute garbage. It started the "dude let's bring Silver (or older) Age capes but with edgy blood and gore while killing off 80s-90s characters lmao" era of DC

Zero Hour is also a Crisis (in Time)

>forgetting zero hour

Identity Crisis isn't part of the series. It's not a CRISIS just because it has the word crisis in the title.

Infinite you dingus

read the thread you dingus

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. FC
>A bit artsy fartsy as per Morrison usual style and requires reading a tie-in to understand but it's interesting.
Which tie in is that? I only read the TPB the first time and understood everything except how Earth 51 was made, which I understand now

Adding the other major crisis events in here because why not?
CoIE = FC > InfC > ZH > IdeC = Flashpoint

The original Crisis rules quite simply. Humongous ideas, beautiful drawings, delightfully weird new characters. You can't find a better event. The Flash's death scene is still haunting when put into context.

Final Crisis is equal to CoIE because I'm a huge mark for Morrison and Final Crisis is one his best cape books. Superman Beyond 3D is probably the best part of that story, but it was planned as part of the main series so whatever.

I do not like Infinite Crisis, but I do like 52 and Superman Prime so it's hard for me to truly hate this book.

Zero Hour is a little boring and a little crazy. There's a reason people don't remember it.

Identity Crisis is extremely compelling garbage. Characters are consistently out of character and plot points are written to titillate and tease instead of to be coherent. I like the super-forensics angle in a murder mystery, but it's not even close enough to fix what this book broke.

Flashpoint fuckin' sucks. I might soften on it in time, but right now it is completely unappealing to me. Outside of the industry-side ramifications of this crisis, it fucked up Barry Allen possibly forever and got two of my favorite books cancelled (Booster Gold and R.E.B.E.L.S.). Flashpoint deserves no mercy.

Superman Beyond was a tie-in initially, but trades included it afterwards

Someone tell me more about Zero Crisis, I'm too lazy to wiki. It's like the forgotten Crisis or something?

Zero Hour

COIE is the most epic event period. Loved it. FC is meh, and IC was terrible in every regard, and led to alot of terrible repercussions and perceptions that still hold.

Can we instead talk about how fucking great 52 was?

>Final didnt really have much to do with the other 2, did it?
Yeah, except for, you know, Mandrakk being the original Monitor back as a multiversal vampire and all that.

here you go

It was the second Crisis. It was about time breaking instead of the multiverse. It's underrated but you need to read Green Lantern: Emerald Twilight and New Dawn as prep.

Crisis on Infinite Earths was well written and had good art and lasting and meaningful consequences for DC that made it better

Infinite Crisis was a good sequel to the original Crisis but I felt it was a little too dark... I wanted Alex Luthor, Earth 2 Superman and Lois, and Superboy Prime to have a happy ending. I didn't like how being the original ending of them being sent to paradise became retconned to them being trapped in crystal and turning evil. It was a poor retcon IMO

I did think it was good in that it made Black Adam a prominent DC character, killed off clone Superboy, and the destruction of Bludhaven was pretty interesting. Overall, it accomplished nothing apart from being an okay sequel but it totally ruined the original series. Great art throughout though

Final Crisis was awful. Morrison who is generally a good writer was all over the place. Some of it it is kind of good like the stuff with the bleed and the monitors being vampires and Superman with 3D vision but all the stuff about Metron and the New Gods along with Darkseid just made it convoluted. The art was nice but completely fell apart near the end of the series due to time

Superman Beyond explains what happens to the Monitors and who that Vampire at the end is.

Hal tries to fix continuity
Hal fucks up
Press F to pay respects to the Legion.

>forced diversity legacies before diversity legacies were cool
>joke villains being turned into edgy super-badasses
>"""great"""

52 was good in that it made Booster Gold, Animal Man, and Blue Beetle relevant again

>Morrison who is generally a good writer was all over the place.

While I agree with this about FC, I found IC far more all over the place. Like for instance it seemed very sudden to see Earth-2 Wonder Woman and I honestly didn't feel like she added much to the situation.

> The art was nice but completely fell apart near the end of the series due to time

They kind of improved the art somewhat when they redid the pages in the Absolute (and then used those pages in the new printing of the FC TPB).

Also

> I wanted Alex Luthor, Earth 2 Superman and Lois, and Superboy Prime to have a happy ending. I didn't like how being the original ending of them being sent to paradise became retconned to them being trapped in crystal and turning evil. It was a poor retcon IMO

This is the primary reason why I'll always say FC is better than IC. I don't hate Johns or most of his other work. But I really disliked that event on account that it kind of ruined E2 Superman and Superboy-Prime, even if I think the new version of Superboy-Prime Johns made is entertaining in his own right. I didn't even think about how E2 Superman died due to plot hole until someone mentioned it recently. I already felt it was kind of an undignified death for a character that was supposed to represent the 1938 Superman.

>Identity Crisis is extremely compelling garbage.
Do you know what "compelling" means?

COIE was great. The pacing of it, the scale of it and weight every action had. Barry sacrificing himself was sad because he was alone. Kara sacrificing herself was sad because everyone saw it happen.

Infinite Crisis was okay. It got me into comics, so I'll always be soft for it because of that. I can still remember buying issue #1 as the first comic I bought for myself because it had the Trinity on the cover. But not a lot really happened within the pages of the book.

I still don't get Final Crisis. No matter how many times I read it or tie-ins I read. Especially that last issue. I am too much of a brainlet. The timeline is still really jarring. Like how Superman and Ultraman end up working the Thought Robot together to fight Mandrakk. Then in the last issue Superman Miracle Machine's True Darkseid, to unveil Mandrakk, who Ultraman is now working for?

>I still don't get Final Crisis. No matter how many times I read it or tie-ins I read. Especially that last issue. I am too much of a brainlet. The timeline is still really jarring. Like how Superman and Ultraman end up working the Thought Robot together to fight Mandrakk. Then in the last issue Superman Miracle Machine's True Darkseid, to unveil Mandrakk, who Ultraman is now working for?
Also, forgot to say, just everything about that final fight. Kill Darkseid and oh hey, it's Mandrakk. Everyone is here now and we'll zap the fuck out of him. Him coming back from fighting TRS needed more build up in the core book and I don't think there's any crossover that explains why people are lumped unconscious at Ultraman's feet, like Supergirl. She just goes from BTFOing Mary Marvel to KO'd herself.

It was boring for most part.

I'll just say this, as an oldfag who read CoIE at time of release, I mentally categorize CoiE and IC two parts of a book-end set, a set that marked the beginning and ending of a DC universe that I found to be largely soulless from 1986-2005. The Post-Crisis DC was simply a mistake, their jettisoning decades of texture in an attempt to "simplify" things for comic fans who *love* the depth was a waste of time. Even worse, it happened at a time when DC seemed to finally be getting their feet under them to compete with Marvel in the story-driven market, Teen Titans and Legion were doing great... and they both fell apart, partially in the former's case and entirely in the latter's case, due to poor planning of the Crisis event.

I had to go look up my copies of what Final Crisis was even about, thats how little of a lasting impressing it made on me. Oh, more Morrison wankery with no lasting impact. I do like some of the FC spinoffs more than the core event, the Legion of Three Worlds was manna from heaven.

Is it a Crisis?