DC characters can't work in live action

Prove me wrong.

It starts with the fact that DC and Marvel universes, from conception, are fundamentally different. DC characters are more grandiose, while Marvel characters were always based is pseudoscience (however contrived). There's nothing "epic" about Marvel heroes, there all people with glaring flaws and live in a universe that reflects that. Also they were created with a shared universe in mind (minus Golden Age), unlike DC where you have a whole bunch of solo characters thrown together in a universe.

That's why DC characters work so well in tv and especially in cartoons, because they fit those mediums better. Marvel can work in live action tv and movies because their brand works there.

This explains why outside of Batman, DC is having a hard time making their characters work without radically changing them in live action.

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>Something something gods trying to be humans something something humans trying to be gods

How to spot a casual?

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The Marvel characters where created in a flawed world where they werent the old school cape and tights characters.

Its easier for the MCU to make fun Marvel movies than DC to make serious movies. It doesnt fit Superman, Flash etc. And when they try to do light-heated stuff, it's incredibly corny (Green Lantern).

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>There's nothing "epic" about Marvel heroes

You DC fans are bitter and pathetic.

Donner Superman
Nolan Batman

They both were successful

Stop trying to admit recent DC movies are SHIT when you wont even look back before Snyder to see that DC movies can work.

I said besides Batman. Also there was plenty of liberty taken with Batman in that movie (placed in a hyper-real scenario)

>This explains why outside of Batman, DC is having a hard time making their characters work without radically changing them in live action.

Did you even read it

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Do you even read comics?

Your argument isn't relevant since the 80's.

>DC characters can't work in live action
>That's why DC characters work so well in TV
>also, my point doesn't hold up for Batman, either

...what is the point you're trying to make, OP?

It was never relevant.

>DC: 6 oscars
>Marvel: 5

>You DC fans are bitter and pathetic.

Im not solely a DC fan. Im saying the Marvel characters werent created to be grandiose or idealistic. They were flawed people. Captain America and Spiderman straddle the line between that DC and Marvel feeling.

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Let's count the ways you're wrong:

>Superman 77
>Batman 89 and Returns
>Nolan Trilogy
>Wonder Woman
Okay, that's a start. Even if you didn't like all of those movies, it's proof that it's not a fault of the characters.

Now moving on...
>DC characters are more grandiose
On average? Sure. But Thor is pretty fucking grandiose. Suicide Squad, meanwhile, isn't grandiose at all, and that movie was still shit.

>That's why DC characters work so well in TV
Nice contradiction there. TV is inherently less grandiose than movies. Like, by definition.

>unlike DC where you have a whole bunch of solo characters thrown together in a universe
That was true maybe 60 years ago. But DC has existed as a shared universe for decades.

Why are you trying so hard to make excuses, when the truth is that the current management at WB is fucking incapable of telling quality stories consistently? Wonder Woman showed that it can work, but they fucked up every part of Justice League and BvS. Just face the fact that your favorite company right now is really really bad at making movies.

not surprising seeing as they can't work in comics

There have been a number of decently received live action DC properties with everybody from Superman and Batman to Shazam to the Human fucking Target. Your argument is wrong.

Captain was literally less flawed than superman

Also batman was always pretty flawed

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I know, but it became even less true since the 80's.

The Avengers live like celebrities, they don't have jobs, they try to kill their friends everytime they disagree on something. I know literally no one who lives like this.

It's true. Hancock is a better DC movie than most DC movies.

>Flawed people
>Captain America
His only flaw is his nepotist nature, and he was never called out on that.

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>tfw OP is so casual that he believe superman to be flawless

Newsflash 4u buddy, Superman is not Clark real personality.

>Im saying the Marvel characters werent created to be grandiose or idealistic.
But that's wrong. Take a good long look at Cosmic Marvel.

How is Hal Jordan a "god trying to be human"?

How is Thor a "human trying to be god"?

>Your argument isn't relevant since the 80's.
Actually it IS relevant, since most of the characters up for live-action adaptations were created before the 80s, meaning my point is proven.

Iron Man, Hulk, Ant-Man etc. have all worked well in live action, while DC is attempting to translate capes and tights characters like Flash, Green Lantern that look incredibly corny if done as is and radically different if changes are made.

>finally replies in his own thread
>doesn't address any of the posts telling him he's wrong
Wonder Woman worked in live action. Superman has worked in live action multiple times. Batman works most of the time. Green Lantern failed because of a bad script.

There's absolutely nothing about these characters that suggests they can't work on the big screen.

How long ago was that again? Try doing that now. People arent interested in that kind of superheroics anymore, which is why Marvel has done so well. No more secret identies (outside of Spiderman), no more newspaper love interests, no more stuck in Metropolitan settings only.

>>doesn't address any of the posts telling him he's wrong

It's typical of how OP operates

>Iron Man, Hulk, Ant-Man etc. have all worked well in live action, while DC is attempting to translate capes and tights characters like Flash, Green Lantern that look incredibly corny if done as is and radically different if changes are made.
But Iron Man, Thor and Ant-Man are all very different from their comics counterparts.

>Suicide Squad, meanwhile, isn't grandiose at all, and that movie was still shit.

all the villains in the movie were created essentially as the equivalent of cartoon characters. They have an over-the-top flair that works really well for cartoon settings (why all DC's offerings have been so good) while trying to translate into live action is difficult. Flash's villains, Green Lantern, all that shit would look extremely shitty in live action.

>But DC has existed as a shared universe for decades.

There shared universe still isnt fully developed and explained. How does Wonder Woman's mythology coexist alongside Shazam's, or the New Gods? and there's so many questions along those lines. Its hard to build a shared universe like that and why we often always see Superman or Batman taking precedent in these settings (see JLU and whatever)

I love to btfo DCucks just like anyone else but OP is wrong in so many lvls, MCU is nothing like Marvel mainstream universe.

How does Thor's mythology coexist with Hercules or Mephisto?

The spirit and intent behind the characters were maintained tho. Iron Man is more humorous, but he isnt a radical departure.

>no more secret identities
>except when there are secret identities

>no more newspaper love interests
>except somehow this is different than Pepper Potts

>no more stuck in Metropolitan settings only
>except for when they do

>DC characters can't work in live action
youtube.com/watch?v=tGt-2VETsRQ

>"Marvel doesn't change the characters"
>It does though
>"But it's okay when Marvel does it."
Nice argument.

>It starts with the fact that DC and Marvel universes, from conception, are fundamentally different
Oh fuck off with this shit. This is only really *kind* of true with DC's biggest and most iconic heroes. And even those could easily have movies made about them. All they need is producers who believe in the concept, capable directors and writers who have passion for the characters, a talented sfx studio, and a magnetic cast.

Despite what Marvelfags will tell you, there really isn't any reason why Marvel movies can work but DC ones can't when the two universes are cut from the same cloth practically.

The DCEU hasn't been working because it wasn't planned well and their movies are shit, it's that simple

It worked with wonder woman, dude you're making too many excuses at this point.

>I don't know anything about comics because I've never read one
This is literally no different to how the Marvel Universe works. We've literally seen heaven and hell in the MU, but also Valhalla and Asgard and Olympus. Oh, but also there is no God sometimes. But when there is a god, he might look like Jack Kirby.

The only one that's true for is Harley. The rest have been changed drastically to a point that the movie was barely hitting the broad strokes for some or outright reinventing them.

For example, Deadshot is a character that has far outgrown his orginal origin and there's nothing cartoony about it. They actually softened him a great deal because Harley would have been dead if he'd been given that offer in the comics.

way to prove OP's point

No is because they hired Snyder, it could work even without plans if it got a competent director since start.

But user, you don't understand.

It's okay when Marvel does it. That's the difference between Marvel and DC.

Burton Batman
Donner Superman
Carter Wonder Woman
West Batman
Nolan Batman
All the WW2 serials

But Batman is also heavily symbolic, and based on a sort of grandiose too. He isnt ever just "there". It's always Batman, and what Batman means in a given context, if you can follow the gist of what Im saying.

>Captain was literally less flawed than superman

Not really. Plus that's why I said he and Spiderman straddle that DC/Marvel line. They are inherently Marvel characters with DC looks and statures. It's why Spiderman has maintained popularity from eras where Superman and Batman were THE forefront of comics, and has now outpaced them in terms of popularity.

>It starts with the fact that DC and Marvel universes, from conception, are fundamentally different. DC characters are more grandiose, while Marvel characters were always based is pseudoscience (however contrived).
Nigga Superman practically invented/popularized half of the sci-fi concepts.

That scene alone is better than civil war and Avengers 2 combined.

Spider-Man sells half of what Batman sells.

competent Directors know to stay away from DC because they know the characters are shit and can't work in live action

>It's why Spiderman has maintained popularity from eras where Superman and Batman were THE forefront of comics, and has now outpaced them in terms of popularity.

What?Batman comics sold 3 times more than spiderman, also unlike spiderman batman got nightwing,batgirl and other sucessful side comics on his universe

TDKR made way more money than Spiderman homecoming and Arkham series is more popular than any spiderman game.

He is the kind of guy that thinks that "Superman flies because he is an alien" is fantasy, but "Captain Marvel flies because she has alien DNA" is science.

There's no reasoning with them. Just bias.

Why are you so hellbent on this idea of "Marvel Characters" and "DC characters"?

Kek, fucking this.

Like, Marvel and DC are 90% the same concepts but executed slightly differently and Marvelfags will tell you that DC just doesn't work somehow for some reason, one way or another, be it in comics or movies.

Christopher Nolan

>bringing up comic book sales

DC god is a dog.

I don't know how can anyone think that Superman's powers are not based in sci-fi. Sure it is pretty ridicolous and some things don't make a lot of sense, but they do have an explanation.

Movies?Cartoons?Games?TV series?

Spiderman only sell more toys for 6 year olds because batman was not made for babies.

>TDKR made way more money than Spiderman homecoming and Arkham series is more popular than any spiderman game.
And Homecoming made way more money than Justice League and more than BvS.

What's your point?

Wonder Woman's Gods are the source for Capt. Marvel's powers

New Gods are decent of the long dead Old Gods, whom were the Scandinavian Gods that died during Ragnorok. All of those Gods were created by Dream.

made movies that were far removed from Batman comics because he knew the character was shit

Marvel god is a tranny

His movies were more loyal tot he source than homecoming where peter is not a nerd, want to bang a black tumblrfag, is friends with a fat asian, is bullied by a 5'3 latino, study in some queers school etc

>because batman was not made for babies

LOL Batman has cartoon series like every other year. He's constantly put out for kids merchandising and whatnot.

Spiderman outsells Superman, Batman and the Avengers COMBINED. He's by far the most popular hero globally now.

And Batman is technically Bill Finger plagerising a bunch of stories

But who cares, right?

>posting outdated shit
Friendly reminder that DC Superhero girls selling more than all marvel combined

there are literally 4 live action DC shows currently on the air (I guess you could kinda count lucifer too)
I don't watch them but I assume they "work" well enough.
fuck off OP.
plus the 1978 Superman movie is literally the only actually good comic book movie anyway

DC and Marvel are separate companies mainly because Marvel refused to take them because they're smart enough to know the characters are shit


So Wonder Woman has nothing to do with Captain Marvel in ANY WAY

>movies
Homecoming brought in more than both JL and BVS.
>cartoons
USM and JLA have pretty similar viewership numbers
>games
Batman wins this one obviously.

Just like Peter is a young golden age superman, just like X-men is a doom patrol rip off

Yeah no one cares bud.

Because they are cut from the same cloth but are inherently two different universes, which explains their current success (or lack theroef) in translating to other mediums. Marvel is working because of how their characters were conceived.

now go ahead and post that article that is also outdated and includes words like "expect" and "hope" since there are no actual numbers for how little it actually brought in

>But who cares, right?
OP cares. He made this thread.

>[citation needed]

>Just like Peter is a young golden age superman
Err... no... he's not.

Bill Finger actually plagerized from other pulps and comics to create Batman, while Bob Kane was basically ripping off Superman

>literally saying about 1bil franchise
>no numbers xD
Disney will not pay you anymore.

>there are literally 4 live action DC shows currently on the air (I guess you could kinda count lucifer too)
and Gotham, iZombie, and Preacher

OP, stop.

You are wrong, simple as that.

According to your theory, Wonder Woman should be a failure and Iron Fist should be a success.

Hiring Snyder was a fundamental flaw in the plan though.

>Peter is a young golden age superman
LITERALLY what did he mean by this?

and your proof is?

>I can't use google
retard

Inherently less so than cosmic DC. Out there? yes. Godly and mythological like DC? no.

well maybe you should learn and then come back when you have actual proof

OP, do you read comics? Which comics are you reading right now? Which are your favorite stories of all time?

Why do you come to the comics board to discuss about movies? It's clear you don't even read comics yourself.

Again is selling more toys, Batman cartoons,movies and Games are making money money

>no u
Pathetic. Go back to your shitty sjwverse, faggot

Green Lantern is a outdated concept and would look like complete shit on screen. A magic ring that creates constructs?

DC works.
DC trying to be Marvel does not.

Except for the Multiversal stuuff and the New Gods, Marvel's cosmic stuff is way more grandoise. Lol

>be DC
>have better universe
>have better and iconic characters
>have better and iconic stories
>losing cinematic race to literally quipfest

Meanwhile a bunch of gems that destroy reality being used by an alien who wants to marry the anthropomorphic representation of Death is a realistic concept?

Marvel always had the problem of the casual, but it got so much worse since the MCU.

>Batman movies
>making money money

>being mad at the one person who actually posted a source
Damn you're really buttblasted about your lack of proof