I went into this show really wanting to like Todd, but now I just wanna skip through all of his scenes. I felt he really only had relevance due to his relationship with BoJack, but now that he's severing that, all his dumb schemes have almost zero affect on the actual plotline and just waste time.
I feel the 'silly character who means well' archetype is not only filled by Mr. Peanutbutter, but he also does said role much better.
After the whole Hollyhock plotline and the Beatrice episode I'm realizing how much screentime Todd actually wastes and how it could be going to literally any character. Am I alone in this? Does Todd contribute something I'm missing? I want to like him but he really feels like he's just a distraction from everything else happening.
I went into this show really wanting to like Todd, but now I just wanna skip through all of his scenes...
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Aaron Paul isn't a contribution, it's a form of payment. Aaron Paul, his voice actor, is one of the producers IIRC.
Waste of dubs. I meant to say Todd Chavez doesn't contribute a thing because he is a form of payment.
I agree, OP. Kind of wish that he was killed off in the latest season.
No, Todd is literally useless and the show would be better if the abandoned him for Hollyhock as Bojack's emotional/innocent center.
They tried to feign development with the asexual thing, but that literally only lasted a single episode before being completely ignored until the final 15 seconds of the season. It's very clear the writers are scrambling to think of what even to do with him, but considering he's hardly even Bojack's friend at this point I genuinely think they should just drop him for good beyond an occasional recurring character. Hollyhock is a better Todd then Todd in every way.
>Hollyhock is a better Todd then Todd in every way
Come now, don't insult Hollyhock.
Oh, thank goodness. I get that plotlines come and go but Todd's literally go nowhere, like, what was the point of that extremely drawn out improv thing? It had no effect on anything, meanwhile the bunny dude Princess hooked up with still makes appearances. There's almost zero payoff with anything Todd does, yet he gets big segments in almost every episode.
Wait, so the person who voices Todd is also a producer, who's essentially sabotaging his own show because he wanted to voice his OC?
I think I sort of felt the opposite way. First I didn't like Todd's role in the show at all, but now I like him enough.
I've never felt very strongly about him either way though.
He is sort of emblematic of the humor in the show. It's just not a funny show. The gags are lazy and seem forced, in that jokes don't really come about organically.
His role is 100% comic relief, and yeah Mr. PB pulls that role off better, but I think it's still overall a good choice to have Todd as part of the ensemble. There are so many characters who are shitty people doing shitty things, it does really help the mood of the show to have him there to balance. Too many depressing sacks of shit is just emotionally draining to watch.
My bad, Aaron Paul is the executive producer, but my point is still valid. It's just Paul masturbating over the fact that his career on TV still isn't over.
Todd is a walking cunt that is incapable of understanding that people are adults capable of making their own decisions. His friend fucked Bojack. He didn't rape her. He didn't go out of his way to seduce her or steal her from someone. It was just two alone people trying to make each other feel less alone and Todd is incapable of understanding that. It's so much easier to condemn Bojack than realize he missed his chance and had no right to get as upset as he did.
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Maybe it could have been written better, but it's pretty clear Todd wasn't just throwing a hissy fit over Bojack sleeping with a girl, it was supposed to be the culmination of all the times Bojack was inconsiderate added with how Todd was frustrated trying to figure out his own sexuality. Todd really liked a girl(though not sexually), and he knew that Bojack knew he liked her, and Bojack didn't even know that Todd didn't have sexual feelings for her. Whether or not Todd actually felt some sort of connection to her worth fighting for wasn't the issue, it was that Bojack didn't even consider how Todd would feel.
It was just the last straw that convinced him that Bojack wasn't a friend worth having.
It was all kind of rushed, though, so all that stuff wasn't communicated very well.
I hate how the newest season tried to present him as this noble selfless saint who goes over the top to put others' needs above his own.
For the entire show he's been a nuisance that gets in everyone's way with his wacky antics and can't even be bothered to clean up after himself.
He had potential, he used to ba a relatable character, there was something behind that cheerful and retarded persona and the space opera episode was pretty good at showing it. Too bad that at some point he became more and more of a joke character until any sign of depth and personality was completely deleted. Now he's just this waky retard having crazy and dumb adventures, he gets crazy rich every 2 episodes and he doesn't give a shit about anything. Then they pulled off the whole "asexual" bullshit to show that he has problems too. Lame.
It might have been because I watch every season drunk but I didn't really notice Todd's plotline amidst the more important Bojack-his mom-Hollyhock stuff happening. It felt like there were just brief things there with his dumb clown business and then the clowns all went rabid.
Also because of him their version of Yugoslavia collapsed into massive ethnic cleansing and civil war
>It was all kind of rushed, though, so all that stuff wasn't communicated very well.
That was very well put. You made me empathize with Todd more. Still came across like a douchenozzle though
I agree with you, but I think the show went out of its way to piss away that character development.
The fallout from Todd selling the business could have been really interesting. Todd trying to be a responsible adult would be interesting. Todd having people say "you've got money, stop mooching off everyone" would be interesting. Todd trying to deal with a radical change in his personal circumstances would be... oh he somehow gave $8,000,000 away to a waitress. NEVERMIND.
Then next series... sweet christ... untreated Rabies is a terminal disease! You cannot have a fun wacky character who seems to be committing criminally negligent homicide.
Given what comes after, I can see why people don't give the show the benefit of the doubt on that scene.
Oh, that's a good point, that's the other thing. It seems anything Todd does is free of consequence, he's cost Mr. PB a ton of money, but outside of that he's also done , and is the entire reason that fracking became such a huge deal for the Mr. PB campaign.
>signs the paper on accident, even puts his name on it
>causes a huge fight between Diane and Mr. PB where PB gets blamed for it despite having literally no involvement in it
>makes their house fall
>no one chastises Todd for it at all, as if PB signed it himself
He already became like the latter Homer, Cosmo or Peter Griffin. Instead of being a dumb guy he's now some force of chaos devoted to comedy, he's just the agent of some gags God, he's there to create humorous situations despite the consequences and nobody even tries to stop him because he's not even a character anymore. It's sad that he became something like that so quickly, his character had so much more to give, I think they made him find the videogame receipt too fast and they didn't make good use of the situation.
Have you tried reading a book?
Ya know.... If things stop regressing the way they are currently this show will be very dated especially this latest season. I mean I enjoy it but even now I'm annoyed by all the references to past decades and hot trendy social media and celebrities. Even the art direction is nothing to cry home about.
>'silly character who means well' archetype
>Hollyhock plotline and the Beatrice episode
I'm sorry but are you possibly refering to Comedic Relief? Are you actually complaining... about comedic relief in a show like Bojack Hotseman? Look. Not only is the "silly character who means well" supposed to take the edge off the frankly, dour main plot; they also are SUPPOSED to make you want to care about the main plot. The only time people have ever cared about a movie for the comedy relief is Aladdin.
He can still lighten the mood without that being his character's only purpose. Every other character in the main cast got a ton of development over the 4 seasons so we expected him to get a good amount too. So when that didn't happen we get bored of him being nothing but the "WACKY SMACKY SHENANIGANS" guy. Especially since other characters like Mr. Peanutbutter and Bojack are plenty capable of getting into zany adventures.
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Todd should die.
Off screen.
He seems kinda just there now since he left Bojack, season 4 was really weird imo. Like it wasn't bad it just felt different from the rest of the seasons
Did you read any of what I posted? Let's look at some classic /lit/ comedic relief and please feel free to describe their development
>Mercutio
>pan the fae
>Fagin
>Merry Brandybuck/Pippin Took
>the Genie
>Tow Mater
>Charlie Day
>Donkey
>Kakyoin
>Minions
Comedic Reliefs aren't supposed to have a main arc or story. Any episode featuring Todd as a focal point is just another break before the heavy shite.
So... i'm the only one who likes Todd?
Because Todd literally is basically a distraction, he's a man child that let a video game controlled his life and he's so unsure about things that he thinks that he's asexual because the adult world is too hard for him.
I rather have Hollyhock be there for Bojack more than Todd because even though Todd has a great point in the last season finale that you have to be better. Todd doesn't get better. Todd gets more stupid. He gets more ridiculous and he doesn't do anything that's really sublime except fuck up some shit because he's fucking Todd.