This was fucking fantastic

This was fucking fantastic

Bone jiggle

I want an hd rip to leak so bad (in Spanish preferably)

It was good. The Disney/Pixar formula that's been so popular lately is really starting to become a burden, though.

I'm really getting sick of this whole "this character appeared to be a good guy but was ACTUALLY A VILLAIN" thing with Disney and Pixar films.

Either make them a good guy and have the conflict of the film come through natural character interaction or establish early on this guy is a bastard and let him be enjoyable in that traditional villain way.

>tfw Coco had alzheimer's and "Remember Me" was probably the last time she was actually herself before she died
>tfw you get all your memories back when you die
>tfw the town putting up the "forget you" sign over the Ernesto memorial means that the whole town killed him for real

>I want one dimensional characters

It also made sense this time around compared to Frozen and Zootopia which were done for the sake of the TWEEST making the writing worse. Or in cases like Big Hero 6 which made no fucking sense.

Oh come on, the man had a giant hallway with movie screens dedicated to himself, didn't do rehearsals, and screamed villain from the get-go. The one thing he had going for him was decency enough to jump into a pool after Miguel fell in and not being a dick for pointless reasons. He was genuinely interested in helping Miguel at first and that puts him leagues above most Disney/Pixar villains

Agreed. It works every once in a while, but Jesus, it becomes way too predictable after a while. Wreck-It Ralph, Frozen, Big Hero 6, Zootopia, (arguably) Moana, Toy Story 3, and Coco ALL fucking do this, and these are all movies released within the last seven years. Honestly, the biggest surprise in any Disney/Pixar movie in the past ten years was Inside Out when Bing Bong DOESN'T turn out to be a traitor. Sad when that's the most shocking thing about a movie.

But they didn't forget him, they remember him in infamy. He'll exist a hell of a lot longer than most people now because he'll wind up on cracked articles and trivia about being a song thief and alleged murderer.

I'll concede Dela Cruz is a better villain than Hanz or whoever the fuck from Zootopia/BH6 (although I thought BH6 guy had semi-believable motivation it's just his plan was stupid like why the fuck did he need to fake his own death?)

The problem is more that once they had Miguel believe Hernando was his great grandad you're caught going 'it can't be THAT simple right?' and then they tip that Hector can play the guitar and gee interesting how Hector and Miguel's great grandma conveniently never interact almost like if they did meet it would basically end the movie.

The problem is Hernando's villainy is entirely incidental to the REAL conflict of the film which is ultimately more about Miguel needing to get his family to realize their divide in Raising Coco has only hurt and driven people apart. He feels more like they needed to have an excuse to give the film a 3rd act action setpiece than anything else.

STILL THOUGH that's not my biggest problem with the film. My actual biggest problem is that we get no scenes developing the living family and making them have to start second guessing their actions.

The grandmother in particular needed a scene where she interacted with Miguel's dad or Coco and realize how much of a cunt she was in destroying his guitar. Otherwise the playing at the end just makes their face-heel turn seem off an unwarranted.

I went in with really low expectations given pixars latest track record and how cheap the trailer looked.
I haven't been this wrong since kung fu panda 2.

>The grandmother in particular needed a scene where she interacted with Miguel's dad or Coco and realize how much of a cunt she was in destroying his guitar.

Neither of which were possible, beyond realizing how much music meant to Coco, and even then she was a senile old lady.

That's the problem when the main conflict is Miguel vs. His Family, and the family aren't in 90% of the movie. Having his dead family members as a stand-in doesn't really count, since their disapproval isn't what's creating the conflict. It's the kind of thing that should've been caught in the drafting phases.

>since their disapproval isn't what's creating the conflict

You literally had the person who originated the feud against music going up against Miguel and he won her over. His Grandmother wasn't the main conflict.

>You literally had the person who originated the feud against music going up against Miguel and he won her over
But that's not the conflict that's set up in the first act. If you watched the first fifteen minutes without knowing about the afterlife being part of the movie, you wouldn't think "Yeah, Miguel vs. his great-great-grandma is the logical place for the main conflict to come from." You'd rightly realize that Miguel's grandma is the direct source of all his immediate issues, so the movie should spend time exploring and resolving the conflict between the two of them.

It'd be like if twenty minutes into Beauty and the Beast, Belle chased down the witch who cursed Beast and spent the rest of the movie trying to win her over. Just because character A is technically the source of conflict in-universe, it doesn't mean that the movie should focus on that character.

I was as surprised as your were!

>But that's not the conflict that's set up in the first act. If you watched the first fifteen minutes without knowing about the afterlife being part of the movie, you wouldn't think "Yeah, Miguel vs. his great-great-grandma is the logical place for the main conflict to come from."

Yeah, I did, because everyone else in the family was citing her as the reason why there wasn't music, why she hated music, and why it was important for no one else to enjoy music. Everyone was acting as an extension of the great grandmother except for Coco.

There wasn't anything particularly special about the grandmother aside from her serving as exposition.

That came around at the end when she didn't know a thing about Hector and was surprised that the letters even existed.

Well in my opinion, it was pretty obvious in Wreck-It Ralph, although maybe my view's just clouded by knowing the twist.

I feel like that's the problem. They aren't even twists, they're just plot beats that happen because that's just how modern Disney/Pixar movies go. It gets easy to call them after seeing a couple of these movies.

I think it was a good twist, however
I personally feel like the plot takes a nosedive after that happens. First Erneto just suddenly turns into a super evil guy with murderous intent.
Second, I thought it was interesting that Miguel didn't need a talented ancestor to be great, he just needed to try to achieve his dream. But then its revealed that Hector and Imelda are both really talented...
I still really liked the ending despite that.

I’m pretty sure there’s an earlier draft where Bingbong is crazy and wants to mentally damage Riley.

I think I recall that when WiR came out, they hadn’t done it all that many times yet so people were a little more surprised. It was at least before it was so common that people are actively looking for it now.

Where are my Miguel lewds?!

I have to admit that it looked higher-quality than the last couple films. Shame that Pixar's tarnished reputation means this'll probably get overlooked, but at least it did better than JL.

I cried for like 5 mins

Same, when Hector flashes back to when he used to sing to Coco, and again when Miguel sings to her when he gets back. This movie did a great job with the "remember your ancestors" tradition, and turned it into the story's emotional core.

Oh, I agree. Best Pixar movie since Brave. Also a musical where songs aren't out of place.

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If you meant that John Lassetter thing, it would’ve made its money on the first week and dipped harder in the box office than Justice League did the following week.
>Brave
>top tier Pixar movie

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I should write Toy Story 3.
Everyone know after that Disney sucked talent of out of them.
Lassetter's hugs will affect nothing, people gonna watch Incredibles 2 and Toy Story 4 out of sheer nostalgia.

It was pretty cliche, the twist was practically there which you see from a mile away. Went to watch with my lil newphew and even he knew that Hector was the boy's father immediately .
Still I enjoyed it, the part where he sings to his great-grandma was sad as fuck. Really made me miss my own gran

Zootopia's villain totally make sense though. Dull, unnoticed bureaucrat with a thirst for recognition exploits fear and bigotry in an attempt to rise to power. Where have you heard that before?

>Zootopia's villain totally make sense though

I loved this movie. In retrospect, it seems kind of cliche and the ending doesn't seem to cover everything it should, but watching it, in the heat of the moment I didn't care. And things become cliche because they're usually good story elements anyways. Best Pixar has been in years

King Candy had foreshadowing, it wasn't much of a twist if you were paying attention. Compared to characters like Hans who had next to nothing.

>Compared to characters like Hans who had next to nothing.
The fucking play didn't set you off?

Can you tell us what about the villain doesn't make sense?

King Candy was the best of all the Disney/Pixar twist villains because the way the story plays out the big reveal (a) makes complete sense in the context of the plot and (b) is a complete surprise unless you were actively expecting a twist and thus paying more attention to the earlier hints.
The De La Cruz twist is not as good as King Candy's but it does play out better than most others in how organically it flows with the story.

Less that it doesn't make sense, more that there's no real buildup and the execution is flat. When the cast of characters was announced I immediately pegged Bellwether as the twist villain and Lionheart as the decoy, that's how cliched it was.

i vastly prefer the initial villain, a pig that was parody of Clinton

I didn’t mind this movies twist I though I was somewhat decent. I do agree though that this formula is getting stale.

>yfw he sings to coco

I liked hector enough that I didn’t mind that twist no matter how obvious it was. I didn’t expect the second twist though and was pretty suprised by it.

It worked in WiR, Toy Story, and Zootopia though.

It didn't in Frozen and Big Hero 6.

Moana does a reversal where the bad guy was actually the good guy.

It certainly worked in Coco because he wasn't even the main antagonist. He became it because Miguel involved him and it revealed secrets about his past.

That sounds like something you read on an anonymous post without realizing it's made up.

Any real live Mexicans wanna give their verdict on it? The other day I had a Mexican cab driver talking with such earnestness about how much the movie meant to his kids, I wonder if there's a collective Latino joygasm going on right now.

Oww my heart. I was actually crying at some part of the movie.

I didn't start thinking Dela Cruz was evil until he started showing off Miguel to everyone. Also anyone noticed the little hint that Dela Cruz wasn't a family member before the twist? When he had the flower petal and said Miguel it didn't glow like with Imelda. I really like that consistency.

We better enjoy this movie topic as long as we can before wave of wierd fan art and fan fictions starts to appear and ruin this show....

Miguel adorableness is so going to attract hordes of fangirls and boys....

I appreciated the research they did for Miguel's town and inhabitants. Was nice to see Frida being mocked. Alebrijes being the psychopomps was nice. I like it when the cute mascot isnt there just to be cute, Dante served a purpose.

Only watched it once since it's a common disney plot and nothing new there.

It's too bad I had to sit throught 22 minutes of Frozen before watching the main movie Coco. I mean what were they thinking?

I thought it was great. The flashback with Remember Me and Miguel signing it again at the end really got to me. That last scene in particular would probably hit anyone who's had a family member with Alzheimer really hard.

Saw it in Spanish, thought the music was great but can't imagine it English.

>I wonder if there's a collective Latino joygasm going on right now.
Oh yeah there definitely is.

Literally the highest-grossing movie of all time in Mexican history.

>Where have you heard that before?
Yeah the resemblance to Hillary is uncanny isn't it.

I was fucking sobbing right there in my seat I was so embarrassed

Congrats, you figured out the twist in a children's movie.

Before this, I don't think I've cried in a movie theater since Little Foots mother died

That's because it was originally a bunch of sheep/goats who were encouraging predator racism to profit/lead

t was just prey demonizing and oppresing predators because goverment told them to do so.

If you're a dirty spic.

This is the first movie that has made me cry twice. Usually it's only once.

This is the first instance of that twist where I think it genuinely works well for the film.

why are they so perfect?

Because she's obviously way older than him
She's also pretty hot for a granny, porn when?

To me, it worked in this movie but most of the other ones like Zootopia and Frozen didn't work too well.

When it came to the twist, it would have been easy to guess that Ernesto was just a jerk/plagiarist but what they actually do with him took a bit of a darker approach and worked with his "seize the moment".