When did this show lose its steam and become a chore to watch?

When did this show lose its steam and become a chore to watch?
>inb4 "when it premiered"

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it was clear from the get go and it seems you're late to the party. it's not entertaining, just annoying
>inb4 reddit

It's alright. It's just that people won't shut the fuck up about it.

There were more bad episodes with ok jokes each season, but look at venture bros.

Season two was a lot less compelling and interesting than season one, and the same jokes started to wear thin. By the end of season 2, I had no interest in continuing to watch.

Season 1 was still great, but you can feel a sharp decline in quality after it.

When it tried to go deeper into everyone's psyche but turned most of the characters into asshats and fuckups just for the sake of drama. Season one was fine, the rest, not so much.

Second half of Season 2. Season 3 was pretty terrible, honestly. Only the first episode of the season was enjoyable.

this.

Season 3 premiere was the moment I lost interest in the show. That was when it became clear they would never commit to either episodic sitcom humor, nor long-term arcs, but wobble back and forth between the two with absolutely no fucking idea what to do with the characters or setting. The rest of season 3 confirmed that, with their only apparent goal being to generate hamfisted memes.

The more it focused on an ongoing plot.

Kind of seconding this. Can still derive some pleasure from it, bit not nearly as much as that first season..

When it tried doing emotional, character driven stuff when none of the characters are compelling enough to pull it off (except for maybe Morty). Getting brief moments of exposition about Rick was fine in the first season, but when the show tells us how damaged Rick is with some angsty cover song playing in the background I can't bring myself to give a shit. The divorce and family drama was the nail in the coffin for me.

In season 2 the main characters became unlikable. The jokes just don't work at that point. That's why the by far best episode of season 3 only had a cameo role of the main characters.

When the original batch of ideas ran its course and started to sputter.

Even before season 3 the well of ideas was welling dry for inventive shit and it lead into, and it wasn't high fiction before but, just banal humor.

Like adventure time, it started to try and do a narrative rather than focus on fun stand alone adventures

Episode 1

A couple of reasons:

1. Justin and Dan have two different ideas for the show. Dan wants character driven shit and myth arc stuff. Justin wants zero continuity and plots that are basically "zany shit happens!"

Complicating things though, is that Dan's idea of character development is pure misery porn/the characters becoming irrevocably unlikable while Justin wants the characters to be likeable and the show to be outright fun and not pure suffering and horror.

2. They are clearly making shit up as they go along and do to Justin being anti-continuity, it means that a lot of shit gets poorly resolved. Or gets dragged out/rushed because he wants to get the myth arc shit resolved as fast as humanly possible, so they can resume wacky adventures.

3. Chris Parnell refused to come back for a full season because he disliked that Jerry was a cuck who everyone picks on, just like Cyrill from Archer. Rather than cave to his demands, they should have fucking retooled Jerry to make him less like Cyrill and keep Parnell around. The whole "Jerry is a super-predator" shit would have worked if they had committed to it full-on in season three and not broken up the marriage. They could have gotten some decent mileage out of Rick getting repeatedly foiled by Jerry; so that when he DID finally get one over on Jerry, it would have meant something.

4. The new writing staff. Granted, they were willing to call out Rick on his shit but they kept pushing the toxic feminist angle with the show. They could have gotten mileage out of Beth chosing Jerry over Rick at the start of the season and have her get her shit together AND forcing Rick to own up to being an asshole to her, which would have far better outlet for both pushing feminism and making Rick look like shit.

5. Toning down Rick's sociopathy. Season three's premier and the end speech, did more damage to the show than anything else. And stuff like Rick killing the not-GOTG and Rick tampering with Morty's memories for his own selfish benefit, just adds to the misery porn of Rick being unlikeable even by the standards of TV:MA shows.

Yeah.

They throw shit at the wall with no real scope of spacing things out for maximum impact.

Case in point; they should have embargoed doing the Council of Ricks until season two's finale. Season one ends with the Cronenberg episode/universe switch. Same with the multiverse stuff; state in S1 Rick can only travel through space and save the reveal the portal gun can also allow travel in the multiverse until season one's finale when Rick/Morty have to flee to another universe.

Season two ends with the council of Ricks debuting as a two parter, with the season three premiere being the introduction of Evil Morty. And season two's finale of the family on the run as the season three finale and it's resolution the season four opener.

Rick stopped being the old man sociopath from the first episode and turned into an edgy mary sue.

I mean whats the point of making the character an elder if he's some kind of one man army? He should be frail, should have a lack of stamina.

oh also, they killed bid person too soon.

>Justin and Dan have two different ideas for the show. Dan wants character driven shit and myth arc stuff. Justin wants zero continuity and plots that are basically "zany shit happens!"
>Complicating things though, is that Dan's idea of character development is pure misery porn/the characters becoming irrevocably unlikable while Justin wants the characters to be likeable and the show to be outright fun and not pure suffering and horror.
I think this is exactly it. Count the number of lines in season 3 that are thinly veiled references to how little Justan and Dan get along, and I'd say the writers pretty much agree with you.

somewhere between season 2 and 3. There were still funny episodes and some kind of heavy moments here and there, but you can definitely feel a shift in tone. The season 3 finale in particular felt a bit off.

It's weird, I felt a compulsive desire to catch the S3 episodes as they aired, but immediately lost all desire to watch them again.

Meanwhile something like Archer I can watch over and over again with no complaints, rewatching a lot of Rick and Morty episodes just feels like a chore. I'm not sure what it is, I guess the humor just doesn't hold up and the plot episodes really don't hold up when you realize most of them don't matter.

Yeah, it's clear from interviews that they're not in sync with each other like Doc Hammer and Jackson Publick or Trey and Matt are. Like take their reactions to the Szechuan sauce insanity, where Justin was apologetic and told people not to blame McDonalds while Dan went "HOW DARE THOSE BURGERFLIPPING PEASANTS NOT CREDIT ME FOR THEIR INFLUX OF CUSTOMERS!"

I kind of feel bad for Justin. He seems like a cool guy who had to partner with a walking mass of self-hatred and savior complexes because that was the only way to get his show greenlit.

>Dan went "HOW DARE THOSE BURGERFLIPPING PEASANTS NOT CREDIT ME FOR THEIR INFLUX OF CUSTOMERS!"
Did he really blame them, and not McDonalds corporate, for that mess?

I can't get over how he acted like a total fucking chode to McDonalds cashiers during that Twitter rage. Acting like they should be honored to serve R&M fans and blocking anyone who suggested otherwise.

Every Morty needs his Rick.

He did. Cashiers and stuff complained to Harmon that they didn't want to deal with rude fans who couldn't tell the difference between the McDonalds corp and their minimum wage workers. And Harmon replied with some shit about how they deserved to work for slave wages and blocked them.

>Chris Parnell refused to come back for a full season
Really? Sauce?

Get Schwifty and Cable episode 2 were both pretty fucking awful. Season 2 had some really good episodes in the mix, but the signs were there.

My problem is that it started feeling sort of anarchic, like episodes could take sudden twists and turns out of nowhere, but they would still somehow come together (the snowball episode, the flu one). I think the plots overall just started feeling a lot more bog standard and formulaic after a while, and that took away a lot of the charm. Add in the Beth/Jerry b plot cancer and the show meandering between wanting a myth arc and wanting to stay episodic and it just killed my interest. I didn't even watch anything after the Season 3 premiere, and I caught that just because it interrupted Samurai Jack.

Now that I think about it, he doesn't really act or sound anything like a 70 year old man, and he barely looks like one

the show is still funny, all the reasons for people not liking seasons 2 and 3 have all been completely arbitrary and almost made up right on the stop

i've seen plenty people whine about Season 2 because they wanted more plot and I've seen people whine about Season 3 because it had female writers, so OP's whining isn't really bringing anything new to table considering that you don't have to watch it at all. If Rick & Morty is so lacking in entertainment value and you need more stimulation, go pick up a book. Oh yeah that's right, you don't read books without pictures

Average Rick and Morty fan, ladies and gentlemen.

>if you don't like it, you don't have to watch it at all!
>if you don't like Rick and Morty, then you don't have a very high IQ to understand it!

When it premeried, seriously. I hated it since the first episode which was in no way funny at all.

When mainstream got winded into it, and people realize that the whole show series was rather getting pretty much stupid on us. Show stopped being about funny shit making fun of Scifi tropes.

It focused more on the whole Rick Sanchez is a broken shit head and his family is shit. And we don't really care that much about the whole dealings of everything in the nook and cranny for the Smiths.

But apparently people wanted more Rick! THEY WANTED TO SEE MORE RICK! Ugh. Rick was great to see in Season 1 to make fun of shit, and his destruction was rather paramount. But then it got old.

>Rick & Morty stopped being good the moment everyone else figured out about it
i can spot this shit a mile away

No? I got into watching the show when everyone else was talking about it because I wanted to see what the hype was about, and stopped enjoying it because the show itself was becoming annoying. Not everybody dislikes something because it gets popular, user.

Don't bother trying to reason with him. You can tell he's one of those people who builds their self-image around what things they're fans of. They don't think logically about this kind of thing.

Once a reoccurring plot was enacted, so end of S1, who gives a fuck about Rick's past or the Tension between Morty's parents? I want to watch Rick and Morty fuck around not some petty family issues that relate to 80% of the viewers.

It's mentioned that he has cybernetics in his body in one episode

>Not everybody dislikes something because it gets popular, user.
I don't think you and I are browsing the same message board

When Millenials started getting upset at the jokes aimed at no particular person.

lol,Sup Forums
The fact you guys hate this show now is the real tumblr win

>Someone who likes R&M wronged me in some abstract way so let me take a moment to project onto everyone who likes the show
>said poster is also in a R&M thread
You can't distance yourself from other fans by shitting on the fans because then you'd shit on yourself. You didn't think logically about this, did you?

Tumblr,Reddit,libruls. Theyre taking over OUR shows!

Your attempt at sounding smart didn't work, user. You didn't even understand what I was saying.

>Season one ends with the Cronenberg episode/universe switch.

Eh? That's the midpoint of Season 1, user.

>Your attempt at sounding smart didn't work, user.
Holy shit, you're some kind of brand new idiot aren't you? You think I was trying to sound smart? That's what projecting is. You have some bizarre perception of me because we don't agree on something.

This thing you brought up in a previous post about people building their self-image around what they're fans of.. that's not the case. So what's the real issue here?

Even IC2 had some good bits. The How It's Made parody is great.

When the family drama shifted from side story to main story in most episodes. It's nice here and there but Beth and Jerry's were not the reason I watched Rick and Morty.

What aspects of feminism are there?
Beth holding onto one man instead of another?
Summer progressively becoming more and more disillusioned as morty basically just mansplains nihilism
Or jessica having like 3 lines in 3 episodes, a slight bump upwards from sex object

>When the original batch of ideas ran its course and started to sputter.

Pretty much what happened to Venture Bros, and Adventure Time, and at about the same point too: all three had cracks forming in Season 2 (though still watchable) and were totally lost by Season 3. That kind of high-concept stuff can be hard to maintain.

Roiland seems nice, but he doesn't seem like he has much in the way of interesting ideas. That Doc and Mharti short that the entire show came from is no better than anything from Newgrounds.

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When it became popular.

Season 3 when it started making jokes about politics and current social affairs. Literally scraping the bottom of the barrel with that style of comedy. Not to mention certain episodes had this weird SJW tone to them, like the one where summer gets pissed off that her boyfriend went to camp with a girl because she had bigger tits than summer despite the fact that summer had been fucking some dude from another dimension; a dude she was essentially married to.

Dude, like so deep, man.

Dickishness aside, you do have an interesting point, only Dan and Justin are on equal intellectual footing.

OP can't inb4

Every time Justin "improvised". Outside of that and the marriage stories, it is still watchable.

Good analysis
The staff have no idea what kind of show they want, which is a shame because there was almost something great here...

>Oh yeah that's right, you don't read books without pictures
I know your type. The snarky type who loves Rick because he's a prick like you. If you can't see a decline in quality in the show, then you're being sold what you deserve.

middle of s2. same jokes, different adventures. it gets old.

The part where they jumped into an Alternate Universe. That was when they thought that they could do drama well and decided to up their own ass about how “deep” they were.

Until season 3 it had decent episodes. In season 3 it still had decent episodes, they were just minority.

Both Justin and Dan stated that was the reason for the entire divorce storyline. IE Parnell wanted to bail from the show entirely and Justin/Dan came up with the divorce storyline to placate Parnell in hopes he would change his mind and come back.

I'd argue the first episode was probably the best
Rick was smart & a jerk, but not the asshole he is now. hell, he even admitted that Morty could come up with stuff he couldn't

Beth & Jerry were troubled, but ultimately wanted the best for their kids. they weren't the self-centered assholes who lived in a self-destructive marriage

and Morty, well, he was a retard. still, he wasn't the sociopath he's turned into lately

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I'm glad I dropped this show. What a cesspool it, and everything surrounding it, has become.

When they lied to me about the number of episodes in season 3 and also made the whole season irrelevant with a dumb asspull at the end.
Dropped it like a stone, pissed I paid 20 dollars for no development whatsoever.

This was the same issue I took with the show as well. I was fine with episodic episodes, and I was fine with overarcing plots, and I was fine with overarcing plots mixed in with episodic sci-fi adventures. But when you attempt to build up that you can handle an arc but then shit the bed in a single episode then it's just bad writing.

It doesn't help that in turn they somewhat forced overarcing plots within the season that no one cared about but forcing so much Beth focus. Beth's relationship with the family was so shoved down my throat it left a bad taste in my mouth and even worse the stupid "is or isn't she a clone garbage".

More power to people who liked it but it was trash to me.

Pickle Rick was some edgy garbage.