Comic shit you've always wanted to see

Has there ever been something you've always wanted to see in a comic, like something you've gotten tired of being done in a new and interesting way, or some kind of unquestioned rule of the setting you've always wanted questioned?

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>speedster
>calm and reserved personality
>is faster than all the hyperactive Road Runner Loonatik Edition wannabes

also
>speedster
>actually uses his speed to kick foe asses before they even know he's in the area

Character dies and doesnt come back

Not a year later, not 70 years later, not in an alternate timeline, not at all

>character dies and comes back
>the shit he saw on the other side changed him as a person. he will never be the same.

Jason Todd??

>>the shit he saw on the other side

I think Max Mercury fits the first one.

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I've always wanted to see superheroes who have their own mooks. And not expendable red shirts either, competent, professional soldiers who the hero leads into battle against villains, who enact rescue efforts and damage control, and basically just do all the stuff SHIELD would do if editorial didn't hate them.

They had him show up again.

SpOck?

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SpOck was a step in the right direction, yes. The closest to what I'm getting at though is L.E.G.I.O.N, though I admit it's arguable how much of a hero Vril qualifies as.

The one major hero who really SHOULD do this though is Wonder Woman. It really never made any sense that the crown princess is running around in Man's World alone. She really ought to have a contingent of Amazon soldiers accompanying her in the field. But editorial is allergic to letting anything interesting happen with Wondy ever since roughly 2007, so that ain't happening.

>I've always wanted to see superheroes who have their own mooks. And not expendable red shirts either
Say no more

Hellboy had his guys.

I've always wanted to see a run of the Question with him as a world traveling detective, solving mysteries in different parts of the world, or a buddy cop run with him and the Creeper.

The hero being a hero out of enjoyment rather than unnecessary feelings of obligation.

This doesn't count.

Why not?

Because I say so

It's been touched on, but never really fully fleshed out. Why would you be a henchmen? What are the benefits, how much do you make? How do you get into it? How do you get hooked up for jobs? Why would you EVER take a job with someone like the Joker, who kills henchmen randomly for fun?

The protagonist uses actual martial arts and practices to keep himself fresh. He didn't somehow learn every martial art in the world and doesn't only use simple kicks and punches.

funny enough, that's actually the whole thing with a speedster I made.

Basic idea of how he got his super speed was achieving a Buddhist state of absolute zen and enlightenment as part of his high school's track team.

Of course, the problem is that while his body seems able to resist the literally sonic speeds he goes at, his clothes don't and he has trouble finding something that will last.

All he usually needs to do to fight crime is run into the same room as a badguy, run around really fast and they're usually dropped because multiple sonic booms in a small area is gonna be hell on the inner ear and he just runs back off, hopefully before anyone sees him.

To make it funnier, he's a black dude so he REALLY isn't interested in being 'the naked black streaker sexually harassing villains'

and not just in an origin story either, I'm guessing.

Not that user, but Hellboy is more or less "one of the guys" in-universe.

It's already questionable enough to have a foreign ambassador running around fighting crime, adding what would essentially a foreign military presence outside US command functioning as a vigilante group would bang pretty hard against the suspension of disbelief unless you start handwaving hard, like with Batman, Inc. Either way Diana already has an extensive enough supporting cast and related heroes to make that unnecessary.

I think most of them are probably being threatened and have just sort of settled comfortably because there isn't anything they can do

Batman's Parents

>made a literal naked black man superhero
Hmm

1) Hellboy was a subordinate to a good chunk of them
2) He's not a Superhero

I've always wanted a Crime Syndicate of Amerika ongoing but I know it'll probably never be done.

>Why would you be a henchmen?
For the pay and ass.
>What are the benefits, how much do you make?
Insurance for everything and over $100,000 a year.
> How do you get into it?
Picked into a limo off the streets.
>How do you get hooked up for jobs?
Boss sends me all I need to an email.
>Why would you EVER take a job with someone like the Joker, who kills henchmen randomly for fun?
So I can blow his brains out for my boss.

why do muggers keep trying to successfully steal from people at night if there's at the very least a chance of getting your ass kicked by some street fighter's sidekick and at worst a possibility of getting shot by Punisher

Of all the super heroes in that setting, he's one of the few who actually picked out his name later on since the media kept calling him "The Black Streak"

I mean, being zen and just enjoying being able to do something helpful with his running is great to him, but there's serious limits one has to consider at some point.

Ah, yeah, this is something that would be cool too.

Closest you can get is Superman's Superbots (who even then are just stand-ins for him and security for his fortress) and if you played City of Heroes around issue 18 you could take your mastermind villain and make them a hero.

Though your mooks competency depended wildly on which set you picked.

>that feel when fucking common street thugs were a lot more effective in fights than trained ninja and mercenary soldiers.

Not sure canon NPC desdemona quite counts as it seems implied she uses her demons more as straight canonfodder and summons more to replace the ranks.

>Either way Diana already has an extensive enough supporting cast and related heroes to make that unnecessary.
Don't even get me started on that shit.

You're right though. See, what really should happen that would make sense is for Diana to start prominently working with ARGUS. Both Steve and Etta are high ranking members already so you have two classic supporting characters, and it would emphasize the political elements the franchise always should've embraced. The Amazon's champion working directly with an American intelligence agency serves as the basis of a Themysciran/American alliance, which can be mined for plenty of stories.

Again though, they won't do this even though it's obvious and easy as piss to do because... Because fuck you, that's why.

I want Mary Jane as an apprentice to the Sorcerer Supreme. Dr. Strange or Loki would both work fine, but I just feel like it would be something the character could naturally slide into. Don't ask me why, I have no idea why though maybe it's because it would eventually pull her towards digging deeper into how badly Mephisto has fucked up her life

b-but muh epic waifu and her greek mythology, mang!

>Why would you be a henchmen?
For religous reasons. Dying for Darkseid. Anti-Life justifies my hatred and gives me security.
>What are the benefits, how much do you make?
Benefits? Follow your Mammon, I will follow my God.
> How do you get into it?
AAA
>How do you get hooked up for jobs?
Godfrey sends messages via dreams and in this way I know what my next mission is.
>Why would you EVER take a job with someone like the Joker, who kills henchmen randomly for fun?
I would rather die having glimpsed eternity than never to have stirred from the cold furrow of mortal life. I embrace death without regret as I have embraced life without fear. I Die for Darkseid

don't laugh but Fred Perry did a porn comic where MJ was apparently Venom and helped Spidey fighting crime. Also, kinky wall sex.

I actually thought the idea was kind of cool.

It basically allows the Symbiote to 'be with Peter' again while also giving MJ some awesome relevance in spidey's crime fighting life.

Though I have a feeling this has expressly already been covered.

Basically, as I understand most henchmen are SUPPPOSED to be common street thugs or even whole gangs subsumed by the villain.

They go along with things because they get to tie themselves with a bigger 'name brand' to get more respect and fear, and honestly, when you think about it: even Joker basically does well to his henchmen by common street thug standards.

You get a weapon (often enough a gun), a uniform, and larger community to work with.

Nevermind if you sign on for some of the bigger players where you might get some combat training, better guns, even uniforms with some protective capabilities and gimmicks.

does he fuck you in your dreams too?

Natural horror comics.

Just comics about wild animals fucking shit up. There's tons of films and trashy horror novels, but very few comics I can think of. In fact, other than Hook Jaw I'm struggling to come up with any, and ever he only eats baddies.

No, that would be Doctor Destiny.

I think it's more that most writers don't particularly care for directly political elements. Even Rucka, who has a massive hardon for that shit, mostly handwaved her ambassadorial duties. For the hardcore mythology-focused writers it's essentially irrelevant.

The problem is that when you have direct ties to Themyscira as a political entity it automatically raises questions when Diana is working with the US government. Addressing those questions means either breaking with the logic of the universe (which is more or less the real world with a few changes) or deconstructing the premise itself. The first is handwaving while the second is actively undermining your own setup. Diana working with ARGUS would be like Prince William working as a CIA agent. The other big issue is that you can't have Themyscira as a paradise if you're using it as a political entity, as doing so would mean that the Themysciran position in the US/Themysciran relationship would default to being the correct perspective. And as we've seen over the years a significant portion of her fanbase doesn't really like it when Themyscira isn't perfect.

I think a quid pro quo, officially unofficial relationship between Diana and ARGUS that is based entirely on her personal relationships with Steve and Etta would work the best. Have it be all side channel and aligned interests with Diana and ARGUS higher ups playing things close to the chest. Diana doesn't trust ARGUS command, ARGUS command doesn't trust Diana, but they both trust Steve and Etta.

As far as Donna and Cassie go, they'd be fine as recurring supporting cast but as long as they have other books to appear in the don't really need to be working as superheroes in Diana's book on the regular.

You know how villains in Marvel and DC appear to die, but then eventually come back through some stupid means? I've always wanted a villain where that was his entire shtick. He's so afraid of death that he amassed countless methods of resurrection, so nowadays he mostly just causes grief to heroes so they'll snap and kill him. Sometimes he'd have some cult somewhere ready to perform a resurrection spell, sometimes he'd make a deal with the devil and walk out of hell as a demon, sometimes he'd make an AI backup of himself, sometimes he'd pull a Voldemort and seal a piece of soul in something, ect. Heroes keep thinking they've found a way to kill him for good, but he still ends up coming back through one method or another. His mind will never be put at ease until he's 100% certain that he's unkillable.

Seriously, fuck Greek mythology. Wonder Woman has its own mythos, its own characters, its own settings. It shouldn't rely on shit that has been rehashed time and again for millenia.

Keeping on topic of the thread, I'd like to see a modern Wondy story that has fuck all to do with Greek myth. The Amazons themselves are an exception of course, intrinsically tied to the premise after all.

>I'd like to see a modern Wondy story that has fuck all to do with Greek myth.
oooh, is it the rape of wonder woman?

>I think it's more that most writers don't particularly care for directly political elements. Even Rucka, who has a massive hardon for that shit, mostly handwaved her ambassadorial duties. For the hardcore mythology-focused writers it's essentially irrelevant.
This frankly strikes me as cowardice. Nobody wants to tackle this because it's not easy to do, just like Diana herself is not an easy mode character that any idiot can just slap onto the page like a stamp. It's perfectly logical to add a political bent to a character is is literally a political figure, but they don't do it cause it's haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaard. That's just how I see it though.

>And as we've seen over the years a significant portion of her fanbase doesn't really like it when Themyscira isn't perfect.
That has calmed down significantly in recent years, since it's well known that you can't have conflict without flawed characters. The whole paradise thing always struck me more as a reaction to the Amazons being portrayed poorly than anything else. See shit like Amazons Attack. Many writers see "female warriors" and immediately default to "man hating femnazis", mostly because most writers are fucking retards. The Amazons are warriors, yes, but they have nuance, an actual philosophy behind them that is ignored because nobody can be fucking bothered. Us Wondy fans are sick to death of this shit, so I suppose we are somewhat to blame for the lack of Amazon conflict, since we let ourselves be perceived as jumping on any attempt at it. Still though, write them as people and not horrid stereotypes, and fans won't yell at you.

Shut the fuck up, Mark.

>Shut the fuck up, Mark.
never, the orifices of the woman of wonder are destined to be violated

mating press

The issue is that when you make her a formal ambassador you massively impact how she can function as a superhero. Compared to other heroes her "civilian" life massively restricts her options as a superhero. Superman's job allows him to freely leave his office, Batman's leisure class, GLs can be supported entirely by the Corps if they wish, Flash can fight crime while waiting for test results and no one will notice, even Aquaman, who is closest to Diana in overlap and impact of civilian to superhero life, has a government bureaucracy behind him that doesn't require his constant presence. Diana doesn't have that. You can't leave the middle of trade negotiations to fight Giganta, even if it'll only take five minutes - including stopping to give autographs - because it's Giganta, you'd consistently undermine your efforts. You'd basically be writing the same tired Peter Parker shtick. I really think that Diana shouldn't be the actual ambassador, but rather the person who does the UNICEF and Humans Rights Watch stuff. Bring in another Amazon as ambassador and use her to flesh out Themyscira as a political entity by juxtaposing Diana's forthrightness, honesty, and trust with someone who embraces moral compromise and realpolitik to achieve her aims.

Thing is, I bet if you looked hard enough, you could probably find an already existing Amazon who could fit that role.

And I see what you're saying, that Diana realistically can't be an ambassador AND a crime fighter at the same time, since both jobs are demanding and full time. But then you encounter the problem of Diana not having any kind of real influence in her country's executive actions. But you could probably counter that by having her be a member of a royal advisory council or parliament, a reasonable step given that Themyscira has previously had issues with having an absolute monarchy.

You know, in a bit of fairness about departing Wondy from Greek Myth, while the Amazons are from Greek myth, weren't they thought to be a nation separate, even culturally from Hellenic Greece City States of the time?

Though still still were often depicted as wearing Greek things in artwork because Greeks artists lacked references. Pretty sure even Egyptians and Babylonians depicted in Greek art suffered the same issue.

Relating to permanent resolutions and limited appearances of villains.

While the bane of on-going comic runs that span decades, I think having villains be restricted to only so many appearances before they are either locked up for good, die/are killed, or redeem can help writers try to give individual villains truly grand appearances each time. Full story arcs spanning their plots and machinations that come only once in awhile and forces a company to think carefully "do we want to use this villain because each time they appear, that's one less before they're gone for good." Also would mean lamer villains would need to be given serious thought before each appearance.

And lastly the hero and the police seem less incompetent.

Diana should at best have an advisory influence on her country's actions as Hippolyta is queen. Being a princess grants her respect and deference, but any authority she has is delegated to her by her mother. There should be Amazons she can't use her status to overrule due to having legitimate authority derived from their station. It'd set up some nice conflict by giving Diana oppositional peers whose conflict is primarily ideological and whose resolution is rhetorical.

I'd be happy if they just brought back Io and her little crush on Diana.

I don't think permanently taking them out of play after a set number of appearances is necessarily a good idea when simply restricting the frequency of appearances would do a better job. Something like two years between appearances unless part of an ongoing plot would be a fine restriction, especially on multi-title characters, while not running the risk of a writer blowing through appearances to kill off a character they don't like.

>There should be Amazons she can't use her status to overrule due to having legitimate authority derived from their station.
The Circle immediately comes to mind. Alkyone should be brought back, and retooled into less of an outright villain, and more of an antagonistic supporting character, with The Circle being more or less Themyscira's FBI equivalent.

And yes, Io a cute.

Killer Moth taken seriously

The OG Mar-Vell is still dead, though.

Buffy?

Honestly, Buffy is a great example. She died and went to Heaven. Willow pulled her out of paradise. She was clinically depressed for the rest of the series from being dragged back down to the comparative hellhole of earth. By her best friend, nonetheless. Fundamental character shift.

Robotics/Forcefield mastermind was borderline broken. All the robots were ranged attackers and the FF set had the big pressor-field bubble that kept enemies at a distance. Just stand back and laser everyone to death at a safe range.

The forthcoming City of Titans will have a mastermind class as well. Fingers crossed for evil clown henchmen.

Foreign intelligence service, not FBI. Whereas Diana is optimistic and idealistic, Alkyone is deeply pessimistic and distrustful. I'd imagine she'd be something like Garak from DS9.

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Personally, I kind of hope for the ability to customize henchmen tiers.

I always though to ultimate, sterotypically super villainous combo of minions for MMs would have been (regardless of actual synergy)

>Mercs (the rank and fire mooks with assault rifles)
>Jounin (the elite assassin warriors Big Bads will dispatch when heroes get out of hand)
>Assault Bot (THE ULTIMATE WEAPON!)

why is sad harley so fuckable

For second there is ultimate quicksilver who kills a speedster kicking hawkeye's ass so fast that Hawkeye doesn't even realize he was saved. Instead he just assumes QS was screwing around doing jack shit.

Also some Flash books start out with him rounding up cookie cutter crooks and dropping them off in jail before they even register wtf happened.

Jay pretty much always did that, he was invisible while running as he was pre-lightning.

Jay also stopped a war one time, with no casualties, and brought the leader of the attacking side to the defending side before he knew what was happening. He's so underrated in my opinion, the guy is technically the slowest in canon but if you look at some of his feats the guy is way up there.

Really all things considered henching would be safer than say being a thug in a drug gang or mexican cartel.

How often do we see Riddler, Lex, Spider-man, etc guys mowed down compared to non super ones or real life thugs?

How they've never even had so much as a mini despite being a mainstay alternative earth throughout the decades remains a mystery.

Flashpoint

You can run into bad luck, but I'd say it's generally safer, depending on who you work for. It makes me wonder if Professor Pyg has ever gone looking for 'henchmen' to turn into dollotrons.

How come Frank never seeks out like minded people to bring into his fold? Dude even was a soldier(depending on the writer), so why not a Punisher Brigade? Trust issues?

I want to see one of the Ghost Riders get an Iron Man suit.

I think marvel had an arc a few years ago around this.

Generally stories has them end up being psychos who take shit too far.

Joker, pyg, etc seem like they'd be bottom of the barrel in terms of who you work for. Although I can see them roping in poor idiots who don't know any better.

I don't know what kind of idiot signs up with Joker, but Pyg isn't all that well-known, so I could see people thinking he's some kind of silly pig doctor supervillain.

>Generally stories has them end up being psychos who take shit too far.
Oh, so the obvious cop out scenario. Naturally. We can can't have Frank be fuckin intelligent like he's supposed to be, and scrounge up some basic background checks on potential recruits, because that would upset the pwecious status quo. The House of Ideas, folks!

Sounds like a great Deadpool villain.

Status quo is king. His most famous side kick got written off to be a pedo. I think the only one still active is a britsh dude who uses non violent means in the UK. However I'm not sure if that carries over to the 616.

Poor Microchip. Writers keep shitting all over this guy for no reason.

The less friends Frank has, the less sense he makes. Batman already makes one's suspension of disbelief cry in agony, but Frank doesn't even have that bullshit of being good at literally everything. He's a war vet, that's it. If ever there was a costumed hero who needed a full support staff, it's him.

It's already hard to take the guy that seriously without going full on Segal with him slaughtering entire mafias solo. But writers actively remove elements that make him more believable. What a fuckin crock.

a normal justice league issue but suddenly in the middle the justice league starts trying to eat each other
and batman ends up eating everyone and gaining their powers because he's the smartest and has planned for this

Fuck yes. I know it seems tawdry and cliched, but rape has never truly been explored for a character as powerful as Wonder Woman. It would humanize her, and in the hands of the right artist could be very compelling.

He could be Batgirl's "Catwoman". Villain/hero romances are always fun for me.

>How come Frank never seeks out like minded people to bring into his fold?
I'd imagine it would turn out exactly like that group of soldiers Ares had trained for Norman. They all died.

This mind-rape scene gave me a huge boner. Didn't help that all the stuff with slave Artemis earlier was flipping my switch.

I've always wanted to see something something with Poison Ivy and Swamp Thing.

I can dig it.

For a long time I've had a very specific scenario I want to see play out.
I wanna see spider-man get attacked by some other super-strength guy, not really breaking any laws he just wants to test his strength against Spider-man, and he goes on about how Spidey may be strong but he's hundreds of times stronger than him, and Spidey's just like "Oh yeah? How much do you weigh?" before touching his fingertips to the guy and flinging him upwards, sending him flying into the Hudson.

I wanna see a speedster villain that uses a saw.

I feel like he'd be able to sway her to the side of good really easily with basically pic related word for word.

Just for fun, have it end with a cop coming up behind Spidey just to cite him for littering.

I want to see Batman or Green Arrow use a rifle in user-offensive manner.
Like Ollie has to knock something out of the sky, his arrows aren't fast enough, and he's conveniently just KO'd Deadshot, whose rifle is just laying there.

>Like Ollie has to knock something out of the sky, his arrows aren't fast enough, and he's conveniently just KO'd Deadshot, whose rifle is just laying there.

Bullshit. Ollie would just reach into his quiver and pull out the zipgun arrow. An arrow that opens up to fire a bullet.

Killer Moth doesn't even look like he's unzipped in that pic.

I'd like to see a archer character with actual super powers.

I think predator style stealth and some mild super strength that allows them to use a steel bow that no normal person could use. Have him also a style of fair play, which is why he limits himself with the bow and also gives hints to his foe as he hunts them.

Nah. She would probably just call denounce him for not doing enough.

It does make me wonder just how much Ivy knows about The Green and the Parliament of Trees. What does the Parliament think of her?

It's a Y-front on his tights.

She's been referred to as an abomination before due to the fact that her connection to the Green is basically an unintended side effect of Woodrue experimenting on her.

That seems impractical and unpleasant.

It's convenient when he needs a piss and he can't get his suit off. He just pushes aside his briefs, whips it out, and lets it go. Also convenient for fucking heroines, as you can see.

Yeah, but wouldn't it be easier to use a fly instead of looking like you're wearing underwear on the outside?

He's wearing regular "superhero" briefs over his tights. No one is going to notice unless they give him a rub.

Superhero briefs are usually depicted as continuous cloth or a non-removable reinforcement to the pants. Maybe Babs is just grinding against him while he's trying to drop trou.

I think the artist just wasn't too focused on his junk.

That would be hot, but you would have to retool Killer Moth a bit. Catwoman is easy to turn into an anti-hero since all you need to do is have her prioritize criminals as targets. How do you change a guy who wants to charge criminals for protection against the Batman so he would be a proper partner for Babsgirl?

>Don't throw your garbage in the river, Spidey.