Ok but why though?

Ok but why though?

for the goth girl fetishists. on this board, right now

Because its hot. I never had an interest in her chracter before but now frightwig is a loli it makes me diamonds

Because somehow having the villains be kids instead of adults trying to kill kids is better, despite the fact that the on of the most ruthless Villians in the OS, Kevin, was a child because children most are incapable lack personal convictions and morals at that age.

I feel like the reboot it's trying its damnest to erase any trace of sex appeal in the show so they can't get the attention of perverts like us on the internet. I mean, i'm having troubles thinking of even a single actually sexy looking character in the reboot.
Problem is, turning characters into loli is just going to have the opposite effect so they're literally just shooting themselves in the foot. Shad's going to have a field day with this.

>I feel like the reboot it's trying its damnest to erase any trace of sex appeal in the show
How? Gwens the sexiest shes ever been now since the OG

I mean ACTUAL sexy. Not loli bait sexy. Remember, CN is still delusional on the fact that shits like us on the internet can't possibly be attracted to kids.
On the same note, Gwen too has now the literal proportions of a child. She had at least a tiny mention of curves in the OG.

>Remember, CN is still delusional on the fact that shits like us on the internet can't possibly be attracted to kids.
How can someone be this niave?
>On the same note, Gwen too has now the literal proportions of a child. She had at least a tiny mention of curves in the OG.
Thankfully im such a pervert i find both versions fappable

>How can someone be this niave?
Remember, these are the same people that thought that overblowing their entire schedule with TTGO was a good idea.

>She had at least a tiny mention of curves in the OG.
that's pedo talk.

To get my penis hard of course

I find the writing better than the original, in terms of comedy and dynamics, not like drama.
In the reboot, Gwen and Ben aren't bitching at one another nonstop and they are actually friendly.

That’s actually the worst part. Their Banter was the best part of their dynamic in the original.

I like them being friendly better. It seems like they would fuck more

>Implying their Trading of insults going from vitriolic to light jabs without any malevolence behind them to awkward expressions of the things they have come to feel for one another after spending an entire summer watching out for each other, saving each other’s lives as well as other people, being a team fighting against the world (with help from Grandpa Max of course), and getting to know each other, learning that the other was more than just a bratty, unkempt, selfish Doofus or a snobby, know-it-all, killjoy Dweeb,
>things like respect, admiration, trust, and even friendship but also another, harder to describe feeling. A feeling of warmth in each other’s presence, of finding so many of the other’s annoying quirks and habits not quite so annoying anymore or maybe even a little amusing, a feeling of enjoyment and happiness from doing simple things with the other such as talking, or playing video games, or going to landmarks and attractions and desire to continue to do so and be around each other, regardless of the risk of getting the others cooties
>A feeling which they think they know the name of, don’t want to admit or even name, because it’s weird and icky and it was adult stuff that they weren't supposed to have to deal with until they were grown ups, or at least teenagers. A feeling which they weren’t supposed to be feeling, especially not for their doofus/dweeb Cousin, but did. A feeling stronger than any mere crush, that just wouldn’t go away
>A feeling they almost didn’t want to go away. A feeling that despite how gross it was, a part of them found kind of nice. A feeling that made Life seem more colorful and sweet than it had before, more worthwhile. A feeling that made things which should have been a pain, pleasant, things which should have been a chore, a cinch. A feeling that they would never have imagined they’d feel for each other, but now couldn’t imagine living without.

>A feeling that they were afraid of. Afraid it make things change. Afraid it would it weird or gross their parents out, or Max, or worse, each other. Afraid it would ruin whatever it was they had with each other, afraid they would never see the other again, a prospect they would have earlier jumped for joy at but now couldnt imagine.
>A feeling that they couldn’t deal with, so they wouldn't. They would ignore it. Bury it. Try to pretend it didn’t exist, and go on hurling insults and jeers at each other, to make things the way were, they way they were supposed to be.
>Except they couldn’t, because things were different, both she and he were different now and knew the other was different too. That while he was a bratty unkempt selfish Doofus, he was also courageous, clever, and had a surprisingly strong moral compass when it counted. And that while she was a snobby, know-it-all, killjoy Dweeb, she was also thoughtful, compassionate, and had a surprisingly fun side to her. Though the annoyance would remain, gone were the contempt and disdain that fueled their earlier arguments, replaced by all the other things they had come to feel for each other but wouldn’t, or couldn’t, say aloud.
>So they would half heartedly argue, because they didn’t know what else to do, while continuing to spend together, “Begrudgingly” tolerating each other’s company, expecting sustained proximity to work it’s magic and make things go back to normal by making them get sick of each other, but also hoping that deep down they never would.
>Implying THAT isn’t all so much the Sweeter.

>Implying CN doesn’t expect people to masturbate to this
>Implying they aren’t counting on it, and for perverts and waifufags to draw a bunch of porn and fanart of her
>Implying that the blandly cutesy design isn’t their plan to let Perverts be perverts and ingrain this show into the minds of others through porn, making them incrementally more inclined to watch it, while also appealing to the “comfy” crowd and wiping their hands of any of the sordid implications of sexualizing a little girl by leaving the sexualizing to drawfags
>Implying it hasn’t already worked as we’re talking about it right now.

>Implying OS Frightwig wasn’t already hot
Heresy

Shes hotter as a loli

OV gwen is even curvier and have tits for loli but nobody complain ever since

Ikr? She have teenage body for 11 year old and her breasts is even bigger than mine

>her breasts is even bigger than mine
Flat cheast is justice, whats your number you hot peice of ass

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because they know about shadbase

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To mock you.

i'm surprised Shadman hasn't made porn of her yet.

Tight!

what about me?

>Shadman getting brought up every time lolis get brought up

You people do know there are much better western loli artists, right?

but she is a she, not a he or even a she with a "wee-wee"

>Imply that ever stopped him, or any other artist for that matter, from adding a dick regardless.

Shadman is well known because he’s the memiest artist out there, not because of actual quality.

>I find the writing better than the original
>In the reboot, Gwen and Ben aren't bitching at one another nonstop and they are actually friendly.

The writing and comedy are really bland and uninteresting. At least TTGO is terrible and you can get mad at it, the Ben 10 reboot is just nothing. I'm not going to argue with the fact that toning down their banter can be a good idea but now Gwen has almost no personality at all. I felt like their banter got a lot less annoying as the series progressed since they both started to grow up and tolerate each other more, and it made the affectionate moments between them feel more sincere.
I would agree with that if it wasn't for the fact that attracting pedos like us is just going to scare away parents and their kids from the franchise, which is the last thing CN wants since dumb parents buying toys for their kids is the reason why we have this reboot.

TOO OLD

*OLD ENOUGH

I bet you eat rotting apples too, you sick fuck.

>says the nigger who probably eats bananas while they’re still green

Wasn't Gwen head over heels for Kevin?

Hes handsome and smart so yeah

Unlike you. :)

This.
I like the reboot a lot but the changed ben and gwen dynamic is trrrible.

In AF yes. It was actually kind of forced how quickly the writers pushed those two together, but then again, the beginning of AF was always the bumpiest part.

not until UAF.

OV tried to retcon in a crush with a flashback episode, but that episode was shit, and it was never mentioned again in the series at all.

inb4 you know who

Wait, this show has merchandise? I never see any ads for it or toys when I go grocery shopping.

It has some merch, but not as much as Sup Forums seems to want to believe.

I was in toys r us doing some christmas shopping, and they had two different kinds of omnitrix, action figures of four arms, diamondhead, and heatblast, and a rustbucket playset, but that was about it.

For a show that is supposedly "an extended toy commercial", they sure don't make a whole lot of toys

Today the market is in app, movile gamed, etc.. Thats why TTG is a sucess

If they have a mobile app, I haven't seen it advertised.

I /did/ see a videogame once, but that was in one store, and I have never seen it advertised either. so how are parents buying shit for their kids if they dont even know it exits?

Probably because kids are pestering their parents and/or grandparents about it.
This month i had to help an old lady to identify the specific ben 10 figure her grandson asked her to buy for him for christmas.
You just need the kids to know about this bullshit, then they will just annoy the parents until they get the thing.

Ah, I guess my son is just too old for the reboot then. He bought an omnitrix over the summer with his allowance when we were watching the OS together, but I havent heard a thing about it since.

How old is your son? Honestly, I don't think the reboot appeals to anyone above toddlers.

He's eight, which is roughly about the age they're going for with the reboot. They missed the mark if you ask me, but it was still what they were going for

And to be fair, he fucking loved the OS. He kinda liked Alien Force too, but eventually got bored of Ultimate Alien and asked to move on to another series before we finished watching it. I watched Omniverse without him.

Making girl characters shippable whith gwen or ben but mostlg gwen is the best way to make them popular, just look at Charmcaster

Then maybe there's still hope. Props to your son tho', he might be an exception to the norm.

Eh, don't be so sure. The little shit loves TTG and dabs unironically. He'll grow out of it eventually, but for now he's a big ball of cringe.

We've been bonding over old shows to try and expand his horizons. So far we've watched Ben10, My Life as a Teenage Robot, American Dragon Jake Long, Avatar the Last Airbender, X-Men EVO, and a few Sup Forums shows as well.

TTG has one official app game, called Teeny Titans. It’s about collectible battle figurines like those Skylanders/Amiibo statues.

Oh, I knew about the TTG app. I was talking about a nuBen app.

But how are the kids finding about the merchandise with out advertising? Is there some secret code hidden in the show that advertises the merchandise? Are they just asking their parents for oddly specific toys and hoping they exist? Is that what CN is banking on?

I've seen commercials for the omnitrix a few times, and a commercial for the rustbucket playset once or twice, but none for any of the other toys. Maybe they're hoping that kids will ask for these toys, and parents will get them other things while in the aisle

"what does timmy want for christmas?"
"oh, you know, he likes that alien kid show. the one with the watch that doesn't tell time"
"right, ok. what does he already have?"
"he's got the watch and the fire guy. the toystore had other ones though"

Honestly I think more of what little popularity she has came from both her human design and her Dragon one than anything.

she was popular WAY before the dragon design.

it was her interaction with gwen that made her popular, and the fact that she threw her overbearing uncle under the bus like a proper villain.

Why do you have to remind me of things I'll never have.

He was busted

Goddamn it carlos

Given the clusterfuck that the ben 10 universe had become lorewise, a reboot wasn't a TERRIBLE idea in theory. That being said, I find this version to be way too bland to be enjoyable.

what would any of you anons do if you were in charge of making a passable reboot?

>Today the market is in app, movile gamed, etc..
Those dont sell, especially as much as toys
>Thats why TTG is a sucess
No its not, fuck off shill

>The little shit loves TTG and dabs unironically.
Your son deserves to get his nuts ripped off so he doesnt breed

Too many cooks in the kitchen. Omniverse TRIED to retcon some of the weird continuity issues but not all of them were a success.

A passable reboot? I'd just hire writers that can actually write fun and interesting stuff. If i have to follow CN's guidelines i'd rather do a good comedy show instead of a bland one.

But if i had complete control over what to do with the reboot i'd just make a Gwen 10 series. And set most of it in space maybe.

Personally, I'd opt for an "omniverse adventures" type deal, where we'd bounce from timeline to timeline dealing with different versions of the different Bens (and Gwens).

You could go deeper into the backstories of characters like Mad Ben and Eon, and explore the difficulties that Bens like Ben23 faced given the changes in their timelines. You could also have some episodes featuring Gwen 10, and shit, take a stroll over to the r63 dimensions for Jen 10 and her Grandmother Maxime.

Make it more of a lore show, have crazier designs for the aliens, make it darker like alien force but still with humor. Make ben and gwen not genetically related so they can be paired up without a backlash

Fuck, that's actually pretty good.

I liked alien force for what it was, and I really did enjoy the highbreed arc, but I think the darker tone kinda put alot of people off.

Also Ben and Gwen have to be related, or it doesn't work. No parent is going to let their daughter go on a summer roadtrip with some boy from her class (that she doesn't even like) and that boy's grandfather. Having them be related also makes the heartbreak in certain spots more realistic - namely that part in Secrets of the Omnitrix where Ben thought she was dead.

And given the no-watch ben arc and the stuff with ben 23, it's cannon that different timelines have interacted with each other. You could have plots where you see what happens leading up to those episodes, the perspective from those Bens while the episodes were happening, and then the aftermath.

>but I think the darker tone kinda put alot of people off.
Thats what got me into ben 10 in the first place

Sure, and there were plenty of people who liked it well enough for it to get a direct sequel in the form of Ultimate Alien.

But while the darker tone may have been a lure for older views, the core market that they wanted to watch their show wasn't interested in ALL GRIMDARK ALL THE TIME. It's why they neutered Ben's competency in Omniverse, and went super wacky with designs and concepts. Omniverse was fun, and I would have liked a road-trip sequel set in space, but goddamn if it wasn't mood whiplash from UAF to OV

I actually hated omniverse and refused to watch it. The current reboots a failure, if anything they should learn from it and make another series action show again

To be honest, I don’t think I would do a reboot, or at least, I wouldn’t do so from the beginning. The original show wasn’t the greatest thing in the world, but it was pretty solid and didn’t really have any glaring flaws. At most I would Give Gwen magic earlier so that the writers wouldn’t have to stretch believability to make her useful, try to have Ben take some of the lessons he learns to heart so that he wouldn’t look like such a brat Maybe not have Kevin be such an absolute jackass and have a bit of humanity in him.

Now from Alien Force and on, I would be all for rebooting. I loved the darker, more serious tone, it made it feel like shit was getting real and that the stakes were higher, especially when Ben didn’t waste time cracking jokes or grandstanding. But good fucking god did they get lazy with the Lore and Designs, so much was retconned because they couldn’t feel like trying to make it fit, trying to replace Gwen’s magic with Psionic bullshit, turning the Plumbers into a space cops, introducing the concept of alien interbreeding instead of just making them Plumber experiments or something, rushing the shit out of Kevin’s redemption, not only not showing (until Alien Force) what happened during that five year break that made Kevin stop being such a cunt, but refusing to acknowledge that there had even been a drastic change, trying to retcon his background as a street urchin hood rat into the son of a Plumber, rushing Gwevin in the beginning episodes, having half of Ben’s aliens be redundant and/or over-powered (Swampfire), having him still act like a child in alien choice and always defaulting to humungousaur when his main ought to be something more stylish and versatile like Big Chill, Turning Vilgax from a badass Warlord into a knockoff Darkseid, making the Galaxy operate on Mortal Kombat Rules. I’m mad because if they hadn’t been so lazy, Alien Force could have been fucking awesome instead of a mixed bag.

And they can explore how each timelines versions dealt with their chemistry.

Ditto, I couldn’t stand Omniverse because of how silly and inconsequential it felt. Also Haremshit is a fucking cancer

I wasn't a fan at first, but it really did grow on me, and the action improves over the course of the series. It still has it's share of shitty episodes (I'm looking at you Most Dangerous Gameshow), but there's also plenty of solid ones as well. If you ever feel like giving it a chance, go watch the No-Watch Ben arc, or the Frogs of War.

*Until Ultimate Alien
Fuck

superior tastes

names please

It has mistakes but Ben 10 Reboot >>>>> TTG every day of the week, literally on my country thanks to the Alien Worlds marathon

It was forced at first but I ended up liking it. I wish they could bring back Kevin for a proper villain redemption and relationship development

He would start as a villain, of course, but Reboot Gwen has proven to have a taste for bad boys

Eh, some of those things I agree with, and others I feel like if they'd been handled better could have worked as is.

Gwen's magic being alien in nature COULD have been super well done, and highlighted the wedge between her and Charmcaster. But they whiffed it by not really exploring that angle too much, and sort of glossing over it in the charmcaster episodes. Either way, she should have kept all her incantations from the start, and left the magic blue unless she was specifically tapping into the Annodite side of her magic.

I liked the concept of Space Cops, but you're right, the Plumbers should have been different.

Humans being able to interbreed with Aliens was really the only thing that made humanity interesting. It made us unique, and I kinda liked it.

Ditto with just about everything having to do with Kevin though. He was great husbando material, but good lord did they fuck up reintroducing him into the series. And this is somebody who actually ships Gwevin. He needed a good dozen episodes of interaction between him and Ben and having them get over their past before he even should have been thinking about joining the team.

Agree with your issues on Vilgax, but recently I've been on a kick where the Mortal Kombat galaxy rules were put in place by a Galvan with a military industrial boner who wanted to turn his people into conquerors. It makes for some pretty good headcannon.

>It was forced at first but I ended up liking it.
Agreed, like the rest of Alien Force, once they got past the initial Turbulence it was actually pretty pleasant although given a choice, I would still pick Bwen in a heartbeat.

>Reboot Gwen has proven to have a taste for bad boys
Does she? The only crush she had that I know of is that one black kid that people use to shitpost all the time. He didn’t really seem “bad” so much as socially unaware. If anything, i could picture him becomig one of those anons who posts those lamentful green texts about how he had a perfect shot with a girl when he was younger, but passed it up because he was too Autistic to notice or get it.

some of the ideas that Ben 10 2016 has had I'd definitely keep, like for example having more of Ben's antagonists be his age(indeed I'd probably have it be the case for most of his antagonists), and drawing enemies from other entries besides the OS as well, but here's some of my own thoughts;

>style is closest to that of the OS when compared to the 4 different styles that Ben 10 has used in animation(but some characters lean more towards later variations in design instead of their OS version)
>Ben's design is heavily based on his OS design, but with some changes both influenced by other versions(he wears jeans instead of cargo pants, has a jacket he sometimes wears based on the one he wears in UAF) and original(Ben has slightly longer hair this time around, and a slightly more athletic body as well)
>Ben's personality(and voice) is closest to his OS version, but I'd have it so it's less that Ben does some of the things he does because he's stupid or has a huge ego, it's more because he's stubborn as a mule, especially when it comes to using ideas that Gwen came up with(he also has some anger issues)
>Omnitrix is closest in design to OS version(unlike previous versions it actually can tell time, as it's resemblance to a watch is an intentional aspect to it's design in this universe)
>Omnitrix functions like how it does Omniverse(although I might fudge around a little with it handles timing out and how long Ben has to wait to go hero again)
>initial Alien selection is the OS original 10 but with Ripjaws, Ghostfreak, and Wildmutt swapped out for Cannonbolt, Big Chill, and Blitzwolfer
>Omnitrix has a new flaw this time around; it occasionally leaks into Ben after he uses it, like he might be blue for a little while after using Big Chill or a bit bigger after going Fourarms, those are temporary for the most part, although there might be hints at some more permanent less obvious changes the Omnitrix might be doing to Ben...

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She liked reboot Michael Morningstar, didn't she?

>those two really good Bwen-fic series will never update,ever

I can't believe I forgot they were born on the same day.

>Gwen's magic being alien in nature COULD have been super well done, and highlighted the wedge between her and Charmcaster.
Yeah but it also would have been were for her to have Psionics and Magic as then you have to find ways for them synergize, instead of just using one or the other.

>I liked the concept of Space Cops, but you're right, the Plumbers should have been different.
I’m not against Space Cops, but turning the Plumbers work best as a small Earth first group, as it’s supported by their reliance on funding and human power, but also gives them more potential to have some not completely moral experiments, and have interesting friction with the Space Cops.

>Humans being able to interbreed with Aliens was really the only thing that made humanity interesting. It made us unique, and I kinda liked it.
It just felt out of place in a somewhat serious stewing that the Lava man would be able to have sexual-intercourse with a human woman without it going horribly awry that and it was dangerously close to my magical realm

>Mortal Kombat galaxy rules were put in place by a Galvan with a military industrial boner who wanted to turn his people into conquerors. It makes for some pretty good headcannon.
Maybe, but it still doesn’t explain How they got everyone else to agree with it or who would even seriously enforce it, plus it make retroactively makes things like the Plumbers and Incursicans fucking useless as there’s not point in armies and invasions when your planet can be lost in a fucking boxing match. Also, it being invented by the Galvans makes even less sense, seeing as their diminutive Stature would make them far better suited relying on strength of Numbers, Arms, and clever tactics instead of single combat.

i'd just end it, I like the series and all but it's too mediocre to go through this many series for like ten years now

I wouldn’t know, I haven’t seen to many episodes. But even if she did, wouldn’t Morning Star Ben more of a Charasmatic, silver-tongued sociopath than a bad boy, or did they change that too?

I want more ben 10 series, if anything they should pull a samurai jack and put it on [as]

At this point, that would be a pretty genius idea. Embrace all the different versions that have existed and just dive headlong into the crazy.

Nah, Michael was still a sociopath but he was changed as starting as an actor first , of those Twilight-esque romance where he played the vampire.

Ben was picked at the idea of such plots but Gwen still liked it even before meeting Michael

*Ben was icked
Damn autocorrect